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Old 09-02-2018, 04:13 PM
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Hey I'm getting more into pastels as a second medium as I do like them but never delved into it. What I did not know was that there was a big difference between hard and soft pastels. (facepalm) My question is are all soft pastels fatter then hard pastels. I have a set of 60 pastels by Othello ( i think originally my fathers) and they are skinny and long with paper covering them. I am thinking they are hard so then oil based? pastels. I have a small set of Dewett Pastel pencils as well which I'm guessing is ever harder for fine detail and lines. What brands of soft pastels are good? I don't want to spend a ton but I don't want cheap brands with very little pigment. Thank you!
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Welcome! Here is a link to a page from Dakota pastels that compares many brands of artist grade pastels and lists then from softest to hard. They would all be perfectly fine to start with, although personally i would not recommend starting with the ultra-soft brands as they may be a bit harder to manage - especially if you are used to harder pastels. But that's just me! Plus, it may depend on what type of paper you are using. Papers with more tooth (such as sanded papers) can hold more pastel and may be more suitable to the softest brands (although they will also eat them up if you are heavy handed). In other words, some experimenting will no doubt be necessary, but I would start with a brand such as Rembrandt or something more in the medium soft range. Sometimes buying just two or three pastels open stock from various brands is helpful in determining what might feel right for you.

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Hello and welcome to the forum! You got some real good advice from Don and I agree that the Rembrandt brand is a good one, especially for beginners. I hope you'll be able to determine whether your paper wrapped pastels are soft pastels or oil pastels. Oil pastels have kind of a waxy feel and the pigment won't come off on your fingers as much. I hope they turn out to be soft pastels so you can mix them in with whatever new ones you buy.
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Re: question on pastels from a novice

[quote=DAK723]Welcome! Here is a link to a page from Dakota pastels that compares many brands of artist grade pastels and lists then from softest to hard. They would all be perfectly fine to start with, although personally i would not recommend starting with the ultra-soft brands as they may be a bit harder to manage - especially if you are used to harder pastels. But that's just me! Plus, it may depend on what type of paper you are using. Papers with more tooth (such as sanded papers) can hold more pastel and may be more suitable to the softest brands (although they will also eat them up if you are heavy handed). In other words, some experimenting will no doubt be necessary, but I would start with a brand such as Rembrandt or something more in the medium soft range. Sometimes buying just two or three pastels open stock from various brands is helpful in determining what might feel right for you.

https://www.dakotapastels.com/files/...tel-Lineup.pdf

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I dont have specific paper for pastel...i tried them out Watercolor paper i have (no idea how i have two pads of them as i dont do watercolor) and its very textured. The hard pastels on it blended to some degree but not like i would like. I have Vellus paper in a 11 x 14 1/2 and i have colored paper but nothing indicatng what mediums can be used on it. So I'll be looking into more suitable paper for pastel. As for the suggestion of medium soft I agree...I dont have a very heavy hand (well least i don't with acrylics on canvas) but i don't want a super soft pastel. I'll check out Rembrandt so thanks so much for that suggestion....what do you mean exactly by open stock and how do you only buy two? I would assume packages previously opened but not used? or rarely used ?
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Hello and welcome to the forum! You got some real good advice from Don and I agree that the Rembrandt brand is a good one, especially for beginners. I hope you'll be able to determine whether your paper wrapped pastels are soft pastels or oil pastels. Oil pastels have kind of a waxy feel and the pigment won't come off on your fingers as much. I hope they turn out to be soft pastels so you can mix them in with whatever new ones you buy.

I'm thinking they are hard with the way they acted on the paper i tried them on...its a large set too of 60 and not very used so im thinking was my dads and not something I bought. I cant ask im as he is deceased. They are oil based im pretty sure. more waxy to the touch as you said and while i got pigment on my fingers it wasnt a ton. the set is Carb-Othello

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....what do you mean exactly by open stock and how do you only buy two? I would assume packages previously opened but not used? or rarely used ?

The bigger art stores or stores that specialize in pastels (Dakota, Fine Art Store) sell individual sticks of soft pastels for most brands. In some cases, only sets are available. So, open stock refers to individual sticks.

Here's a link, for example, of Dakota's page of individual sticks for Rembrandt:

https://www.dakotapastels.com/produc...ndt-Individual

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The bigger art stores or stores that specialize in pastels (Dakota, Fine Art Store) sell individual sticks of soft pastels for most brands. In some cases, only sets are available. So, open stock refers to individual sticks.

Here's a link, for example, of Dakota's page of individual sticks for Rembrandt:

https://www.dakotapastels.com/produc...ndt-Individual

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I wish the large pastel set i have were non oil as I think they are.i wish they would say on the box lol....I like to layer with acrylics so it would not be possible with oil based pastels as I seem to be finding out

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oh just thought of something else....I cannot freehand draw and be accurate so for my acrylics i use a 4h graphite and transfer paper and tap out any harsher llines with my kneaded eraser....what do you do though in case of pastels?
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I am hoping some older artists will recognize this set and let me know if it really is oil based or not


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Those are dry sticks,
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Re: question on pastels from a novice

These pastels are probably more like NuPastels, I'd guess. The box says charcoal, so there would be no oil.
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oh they are??? awesome I'm glad I posted a picture as I wasnt sure anyone could tell.. I have no idea what oil pastels feel like so I really had no idea...thank you guys!
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Oh hooray they are soft pastels after all! You have a nice selection of colors and I'll bet they will come in handy.
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Oh hooray they are soft pastels after all! You have a nice selection of colors and I'll bet they will come in handy.

Yes! I was so happy to hear that lol This is a set of 60 so I think on sticks I'm kinda good for now as I plan to use pastels pencils more then anything as i love lots of layers and detail with realism. I do appreciate some others styles but never had a desire to do them myself Now just to get some paper and order some CarbOthello pencils to go with my 12 pencil Derwent set.. but to decide what colors ohhh choices choices eeeek lol
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