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Old 03-06-2018, 01:59 AM
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Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG



trying to copy ErnstG but couldnt hee
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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG

There's nothing wrong with copying other artists to learn their techniques, but only for your private use. Otherwise, it is an abuse of copyright. I have tried to reproduce Ernst's tree technique without much success.

That said I think it is an OK painting, perhaps a smaller size then Ernst's painting so there's a lot of paper texture showing.

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Old 03-06-2018, 04:45 AM
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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG



man..its very hard to copy the exact same color!
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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG

Good you took down the intensity of the colors. Good rework.
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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG

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There's nothing wrong with copying other artists to learn their techniques, but only for your private use. Otherwise, it is an abuse of copyright. I have tried to reproduce Ernst's tree technique without much success.

That said I think it is an OK painting, perhaps a smaller size then Ernst's painting so there's a lot of paper texture showing.

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I don't think that this is an abuse of copyright because the scene exists and this is just a different painting of the same place. When we all paint the same photo at the watercolour challenges do we perhaps violate each other's copyright?

In this case the reference is Ernst beautiful painting something that IMO honnors Ernst.

@iamdiae This is a very good painting on its own merit and in your own style. You didn't actually copy Ernst's painting. You interpreted and accentuated the elements that impressed you - personally - more. And this is very interesting because I bet that if all tried to make the same scene, each and everyone of us would emphasize something different, the thing that impressed us most, which is different for everyone.
Nice try. Keep on.
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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG

Well, if you're going to copy and learn from someone's work - ErnstG is the man!

I think it would be nice if you are going to copy someone's work and post on this forum, to ask his permission. I think he would give it, since I agree with another poster, it is a big compliment to ErnstG
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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG

I agree with MarialenaS, really. Since it's an actual scene that exists and since your painting does differ from the original painting. You're not putting it on sale and representing that it's his original work so I think it's fine.

I once had a friend who told me that her art instructor had told her that if people use another artist's painting to paint from, then if they labeled it "in the style of (the original artist)" it was okay. At the time, I wasn't so sure but then she also pointed out that no student is able to flawlessly copy another's work since they weren't that gifted. That's probably true. lol

Yorky isn't putting the painting out for sale as done by the original artist and he's using it for practice, so I think it's fine.

Yorky, that's a beautifully done scene. I like it very much. Especially the reflection of the clouds in the little ditch there. Those are the sort of details I forget to use that really make a painting shine.

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I think it would be nice if you are going to copy someone's work and post on this forum, to ask his permission. I think he would give it, since I agree with another poster, it is a big compliment to ErnstG

I can't see why he would have to ask Ernst's permission. Does Ernst owns the copyright of this place? Ernst did his own painting and iamdiae did something different inspired by Ernst painting.

There is no copyright violation at all. It would be if someone took Ernst's painting and presented it as his or if someone was able to copy pixel to pixel Ernst's painting from the thumbnail size photo that he posted here.

The scene exists not to mention that it is a very generic scene. I don't consider this painting as a copy of the other one. They are two completely different interpretations of the same place. What does it matter what the reference image is? If it is a photo, or a painting or even a sketch?
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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG

I didn't say anything about copyright....
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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG

Asking for permission is all about copyright. What else to ask permission for? For painting Neumuhle? ( how is this name pronounced?)
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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG

hi there..

well actually, Mr Yorky is correct...and Marialena, actually when I copied the painting, I did wanted to copy pixel by pixel...the values...the strokes..and the colors that I find so nice...But I did it purely on studying purpose

Marialena...when u said something about artist's interpretation of a scene/view...you make me feel relieve...because I was scared I couldnt achieve the same result as the original one...

however i will try again to copy the exact atmosphere and temperature after some critiques from mr Ernest G ;-)
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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG

Ich halte mich bedeckt im Hintergrund und beobachte die Szene!
Etwas kopieren heißt das Original zu fast 100% zu übernehmen.
Sonst macht es keinen Sinn.
Ich hoffe, "iamdaie" wird das Motiv nicht als sein geistiges Eigentum verkaufen.


I lay low in the background and watch the scene!
Copying something means copying the original almost 100%.
Otherwise it doesn't make sense.
I hope "iamdaie" won't sell the motive as his intellectual property.

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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG

no sir strictly for studying purpose...

but I cant seem to capture the mood and temperature...could u guide me...
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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG

Some thoughts:

“Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion.”
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 [New American Standard Bible]
"All things are wearisome; Man is not able to tell it. The eye is not satisfied with seeing, Nor is the ear filled with hearing. That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one might say, "See this, it is new "? Already it has existed for ages Which were before us.…"

Oh, and Ernst is correct - be mindful of other people's intellectual property.

Oh, and...

Charles Caleb Colton, in Lacon: or, Many things in few words, 1820:

"Imitation is the sincerest of flattery"
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Re: Untitled #003 : me copying Neumuhle by ErnstG

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I don't think that this is an abuse of copyright because the scene exists and this is just a different painting of the same place. When we all paint the same photo at the watercolour challenges do we perhaps violate each other's copyright?


This would only be true if he were painting from a photograph of the place or the actual site itself. That is an all important distinction. However, he was not working from the place itself nor from a photograph, even the same photograph Ernst worked from. Therefore, it is not a "different painting of the same place." It is a copy of Ernst's painting of the original site, especially his composition of that scene, which he has stated was done for the purpose of learning and skill development, which is fine I would think as a learning exercise only.

It is important that others not be confused about copyright laws. Ernst has graciously reminded us that we all need to be careful about the intellectual property rights of others, and he is correct to do so.

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