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Old 01-18-2018, 07:51 PM
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Mixing a good Dark Green in watercolor

Hello I am wondering how to mix a strong dark green. I have sap green by Da Vinci. I've used Ultramarine with it but eventually it just gets blue I've also neutralized it with Permanent rose PV 19 or Alizarin Crimson Quin PV 19 then added sap green back into it results aren't quite the pine green I'm going for. These are the colors that I have. Any suggestions? Thank you in advance!

Da Vinci Yellow PY154
Hansa Yellow Deep PY65
Da Vinci Red PR254
Alizarin Crimson (Quinacridone) PV19
Permanent Rose (Quinacridone) PV19
Phthalo Blue (Red Shade) PB15
Ultramarine (Green Shade) PB29
Sap Green PG7 PY42
Yellow Ochre PY43
Burnt Sienna PBR7
Burnt Umber PBR7
Titanium White PW6
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Re: Mixing a good Dark Green in watercolor

Try Da Vince Yellow + Pthalo Blue. Leave out the sap green. Pthalo Blue (Green Shade) would work better.
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Old 01-18-2018, 09:07 PM
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Re: Mixing a good Dark Green in watercolor

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Try Da Vince Yellow + Pthalo Blue. Leave out the sap green. Pthalo Blue (Green Shade) would work better.

I meant that Pthalo Blue Green Shade would work better than Red Shade. If you can't get it deep enough this way, add a little UM Blue.
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Re: Mixing a good Dark Green in watercolor

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I meant that Pthalo Blue Green Shade would work better than Red Shade. If you can't get it deep enough this way, add a little UM Blue.

Thank you I checked DV doesn't have a phalo blue GS. It mixed a nice dark green! Ill try it with a little UM blue as well. I was in the middle of mixing a color chart when I posted the question I hadn't gotten to DV yellow/Phalo blue yet... was stuck trying to darken sap green. Looks great. Its amazing how strong phalo blue is it overpowers everything but its great for a dark green. Thanks again.
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Re: Mixing a good Dark Green in watercolor

For conifers I use Prussian Blue + Burnt Sienna.

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Old 01-19-2018, 07:44 AM
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Re: Mixing a good Dark Green in watercolor

Try using Nickel Azo Yellow (PY 150) or a blend of Nickel Azo Yellow and Quinacridone Gold (PY 150 + PO 48) and any blue. It's excellent for mixing greens.
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Re: Mixing a good Dark Green in watercolor

atmoshpere74,
To me, 'strong dark green' means dark and saturated. Sap Green, applied thickly (low dilution) over white is definitely what I would call a strong dark green. But Sap Green is slightly yellowish-green in hue; might not be the pine green you want. Adding Ultramarine Blue (which you tried) will pull it towards blue but will slightly grey it. Either of your PV19 (whichever is darker) will darken your Sap green - but will also blacken/grey/neutralize it - which may be why you didn't like the results.

Try adding a bit of any of the colors you have to your Sap Green - that might get the pine green you're aiming for. A lot of artists use a brown to darken their greens. Dark, transparent colors will result in deeper, darker mixes.

Other than using Sap Green, your best bet might be PY65 + a small amount of Phthalo Blue; add a tiny bit at a time until you get a green of the right yellow/blue balance you want.

Making color mixing scales for future reference is an invaluable way to get a feel for the vast range of greens in the world, and how to mix them. For example compare the greens you get from an orange-yellow + greenish blue versus lemony yellow + violet-blue.
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Re: Mixing a good Dark Green in watercolor

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Thank you I checked DV doesn't have a phalo blue GS.

https://www.dickblick.com/items/00371-5160/ is DV's Pthalo Blue GS, FYI
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Re: Mixing a good Dark Green in watercolor

Try Yellow Ochre and Phthalo Blue :-).
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Re: Mixing a good Dark Green in watercolor

Sap Green + Burnt umber
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Re: Mixing a good Dark Green in watercolor

For me, the darkest/deepest believable greens come from Phthalo green (PG7) plus various oranges/reds/browns.
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