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Old 11-15-2017, 01:43 PM
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[a snippet from the article] Christoff says most creative people, regardless of the type of art, flip flop between spontaneously brain storming and appraising the results.

"Unbridled freedom of thought and spontaneity could be hugely important for creativity, but it's only half of what's necessary," Christoff says. "The other half is to be incredibly critically and in a very constrained way evaluate the products."

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Re: Understanding Creativity

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Re: Understanding Creativity

It seems that constraints are necessary for creativity to flow. Notan/sketch instructions usually suggest establishing a frame in which to draw.
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Re: Understanding Creativity

unconstrained creativity
constrained editing

eg: write drunk; edit sober @hemmingway

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Re: Understanding Creativity

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Christoff says most creative people, regardless of the type of art, flip flop between spontaneously brain storming and appraising the results.

This is actually a rather normal thing in learning anything: Intense focus followed by periods of "rumination" for lack of a better word. Learning takes place when the mind is at rest, and the information can process.
Appraising is just another word for "thinking about it."

Take plenty of breaks when you learn.
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Re: Understanding Creativity

There is also a spectrum in the work of artist between the poles of "spontaneous/unbridled" and "critical assessment"

A historical/scientific artist can be at one pole at which there is very little in the way of adding, via "imagination or spontaneity" while at the opposite pole would be an imaginative artist or pure abstract artist using nothing out of "reality" and thus having no need for accuracy, (Basquiat is a good example).
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using nothing out of "reality" and thus having no need for accuracy

I would take issue with that as a general statement. The abstraction itself may have demanding needs for accuracy. This spot must go here, that line must go there. The necessary logic of the work in the artist's mind, may be perceptible to others as "conscientious application", or it may be inscrutable / a big nothing / not intelligible to the audience, absent additional explanation.

Probably goes a long way to explaining what Jackson Pollock thought the was doing, vs. what others think of his end results. Many can't see his logic and process. His demands upon the work.

For another example, much of Piet Mondrian's work is starkly abstract and absolutely demanding, in color area, line, proportion. At least in his own mind, his own logic. Much debate about whether others can trivially reproduce his logic or not, whether anyone can tell the difference. But the iron logic certainly existed in Mondrian's mind.

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accuracy is as hard to define as creativity given the diverse nature of art, but to dictate accuracy in a reality piece is much easier to define than accuracy in a creative piece.

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but to dictate accuracy in a reality piece is much easier to define than accuracy in a creative piece.

I don't agree. The Surrealists had plenty of people who used realistic technique to express their creatively outlandish stuff. Salvador Dali the master draftsman among them, and I don't think there's anything challenging about deciding why his realistic techniques are accurate. Yes it's a stretched piano skull, looking exactly as it would look if you actually fabricated one.
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agreed, but dali is [was] a unique breed who challenged the viewer to look at reality and creativity in a whole different light.

pop surrealism is another stretch on reality/creativity/technique, but i doubt it will have/garner the same level of respect for its 'out of the box' creativity.

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dali is [was] a unique breed

Unique? Doubt it. Although no names are flowing off my tongue of famous artists who came after Dali, who are "like Dali". Certainly was available for people to do, but the "expensive fads" seemed to veer post-Dali into Abstract Expressionism, then Conceptualism and Pop Art. No interest in painstaking technique such as Dali's.

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who challenged the viewer to look at reality and creativity in a whole different light.

All the other Surrealists did that too, that's why they're referred to as Surrealists. Dali was just the master draftsman and showman among them.
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