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Old 11-11-2017, 12:24 AM
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shadow color for yellow ochre

I want to "turn" yellow ochre from sunlit to light and dark shadow. (landscape)
What would you recommend?
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Old 11-11-2017, 03:42 AM
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

Transparent Yellow oxide and Burnt Umber are very useful for that.
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:17 AM
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

Thanks! So glad I asked! I was thinking of a purple. I have both Transparent Yellow oxide and Burnt Umber.

NEXT QUESTION, THEN: Near foreground bare ground is a scumbled mix of burnt umber/white over a light gray scumbled mix. I'd like to put sunlight on a portion of that, to imply a bit of distance--a few yards, (meters) so not much, and to help it lay flat. Now it looks like a slight slope. The terrain is a bit rough, and I'll be adding a few rocks to it.
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Old 11-12-2017, 11:46 AM
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

I find that Dioxazine Purple can turn most yellows to a shadowy dark brown. A little goes a long way, so if you want to try it, save money and get a "student grade".
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:40 PM
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

Thanks, Pinguino. I have the Diox purple. The piece ( 9x12") is a learning piece. Using these 3, Transparent Yellow oxide, Burnt Umber, and the Diox purple on yellow ochre + white, and (fake) naples yellow + white will be interesting. I have the form, and will use these 3 for shaping it with shadows.
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Old 11-13-2017, 06:00 AM
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

Another possibility is to mix yellow with black and then correct the shift to green with magenta. It'll give you a reddish brown, if that's what you're going for.
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:36 AM
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

Mythrill, thanks! Yesterday I added a bit of grass that was cad/bar yellow + ivory black. I'll see what it looks like with magenta PV19.
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:29 PM
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

Closely related to what Mythrill wrote: I find that PV19 (I use Gamblin's Quinacridone Violet) is excellent for "de-greening." If the green is bluish, then the redder shade of PV19 might be better.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:28 AM
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

Pinguino, thanks! I have Da VInci's rose madder PV 19 (purpley) and Grumbacher's Thalo red rose PV 19, (red). This is going to be interesting!

I had used cad barium yellow light, I will try it with a transparent yellow, probably WN Transparent Yellow 653 (PY128).

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Old 11-17-2017, 07:08 AM
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

Thought I'd come back to say the transparent yellow oxide did the trick for that part. I didn't like the burnt umber, but I also used transparent brown oxide, and liked that. They worked on both the ochre and the (fake) naples yellow. So thank you very much.
I used a bit of ultramarine blue on burnt sienna and got a lovely gray.
Haven't had a chance yet to do the black, yellow and PV19 yet.
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

Depending on your scene, if the sky is very blue you might get a hint of olive in the shadow. Or a lot. Go with what works for the painting. Otherwise I'd probably use burnt umber.
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:42 PM
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

Robert, that's interesting. I've finally started on another painting, and will add your suggestion to my "painting notes".
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

I like to use raw umber for shading yellow ochre.
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Old 12-30-2017, 07:41 PM
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

Thanks, Sid. Your suggestion has been added, too.
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Re: shadow color for yellow ochre

Hi ntl, I strongly recommend you not to think this way when mixing colors...

Instead, think about what you see, what desaturates that color, what darkens that color. Because as it turns into shadow it inevitably gets darker and more muted.

If you memorize formulas for color mixing, that means you probably haven't truly understood the principles of color mixing. I would recommend you looking that up, as it will liberate your thinking from this memorization game. You can work with any colors and still get the same result.
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