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Old 09-01-2017, 07:52 AM
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Self teaching vs Atelier

I like classical art, realism etc, I'm self taught but I want to take my work to a higher level. Most people who seem to achieve that level of classical art have studied at Ateliers etc

My question really is it possible to achieve a high standard of painting and drawing via online courses, books, videos etc?
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Old 09-13-2017, 04:06 PM
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Re: Self teaching vs Atelier

What you learn is not passive. You reach out and struggle to catch it. My thought is that it is very difficult to only have one source of material and training. You are often also "marked" by your teachers. That is, your work takes on a kind of fingerprint from the person (or people) who taught you. You can work with multiple people. Either apprenticeships, Ateliers, workshops, chance meetings, conversations, and of course, books and videos. Each time you gain insight, and this shifts into your artwork, you have the imprint of this event in your work. It occurs in a similar way as writers.
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Old 10-09-2017, 01:39 PM
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Re: Self teaching vs Atelier

you know- its very helpfull if some one as an instructor be near to you - for giving you tips and solving youre works problem and there is no Doubts
about this . ok - but if youre so serious to do it in self teaching way

i suggest - for the start and beginner step its better you have a teacher and after that you can use internet and books and ...
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Old 10-14-2017, 02:42 PM
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Re: Self teaching vs Atelier

I have had the same problems. I have some lessons with teachers, they helped me a lot, but now, i realized that i have to learn by solving the problems as i am planning or painting (how is the composition, values, colors etc). We have to make decisions as what happens with other professionals . We, artists, will have to deal with these situations always, i think we learn from these experiences, with sucess and failure. I dont know if i am in the right way, the time will say.
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Re: Self teaching vs Atelier

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I like classical art, realism etc, I'm self taught but I want to take my work to a higher level. Most people who seem to achieve that level of classical art have studied at Ateliers etc

My question really is it possible to achieve a high standard of painting and drawing via online courses, books, videos etc?

Yes, it requires hard work. To quote Crumb:
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Old 11-04-2017, 10:37 PM
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One vote for atelier. -Earl
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Old 11-22-2017, 06:50 PM
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Re: Self teaching vs Atelier

Years ago, i agonized about the same question. Can i teach myself proficiently or do i need an atelier? I was determined to go to an atelier, one in Florence. However it became obvious after a year that i wasn't able to do so because of finance. I looked up as much as possible online, especially youtube and also bought amazing tutorials. Just to see people paint, and demystifying it for me by being able to follow their steps, that was huge to me.
So, i started to paint as much as possible, almost every single day. Trying and failing at it. Learning from my failures really helped me grow, not just painting mindlessly and hoping that someday i would be any good. I pushed myself to really understand things and apply them.

I'm truly happy that i didn't go to an atelier. Why? Honestly, i think many of them have a certain look, i often can guess where they have studied on basis of their work. I worried that i too would have a certain style that i wouldn't be able to shake off. I'm glad that i have find my own way of doing things and still learning and finding new ways of approaching things. Of course this is my own personal journey.

Anyway, good luck on your journey! It will be pleasant and painful (i only remember the highs ).
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Old 11-27-2017, 08:27 AM
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Re: Self teaching vs Atelier

Thanks for the responses guys.
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Old 11-27-2017, 11:08 AM
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Years ago, i agonized about the same question. Can i teach myself proficiently or do i need an atelier? I was determined to go to an atelier, one in Florence. However it became obvious after a year that i wasn't able to do so because of finance. I looked up as much as possible online, especially youtube and also bought amazing tutorials. Just to see people paint, and demystifying it for me by being able to follow their steps, that was huge to me.
So, i started to paint as much as possible, almost every single day. Trying and failing at it. Learning from my failures really helped me grow, not just painting mindlessly and hoping that someday i would be any good. I pushed myself to really understand things and apply them.

I'm truly happy that i didn't go to an atelier. Why? Honestly, i think many of them have a certain look, i often can guess where they have studied on basis of their work. I worried that i too would have a certain style that i wouldn't be able to shake off. I'm glad that i have find my own way of doing things and still learning and finding new ways of approaching things. Of course this is my own personal journey.

Anyway, good luck on your journey! It will be pleasant and painful (i only remember the highs ).

Yeah I have noticed that i can also tell which Ateliers some Artists have studied at.
Do you have any youtube channels or books you can recommend

The books I have at the moment are:

Lessons Classical Drawing
Constructive Anatomy (G.Bridgman)
Heads, Features and Faces (G.Bridgman)
Life Drawing (G.Bridgman)
Classical Painting Atelier: A Contemporary Guide to Traditional Studio Practice

I'm planning on buying:
Anatomy for the Artist (Sarah Simbet)
Lessons in Classical Painting: Essential Techniques from Inside the Atelier
Classical Drawing Atelier: A Contemporary Guide to Traditional Studio Practice

I'm also planning on buying Cesar Santos DVD, I have already have Proko figure drawing course and a Scott Waddell video on forms and blending (didn't the Waddell one very useful)
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Old 11-27-2017, 04:27 PM
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Re: Self teaching vs Atelier

Daniel Greene, Jeremy Lipking, Scott Burdick, Michael Klein and Morgan Weistling are a few that have very valuable videos. It can be pricey but really worth it, even if you decide to buy just a few. Each of the mentioned artists have a different approach, very useful in deciding in which manner you like to paint. I can't speak about Cesar Santos, but if it speaks to you then you should consider purchasing it.
There are also wonderful art magazines of course, the one i especially found so useful was American painting video magazine, done by Michael Klein. If you can still download them, i would go for the two seasons, they are reasonably priced. You get to have a look inside many artist's studios, interviews and practices, i found it very inspirational.
As far as books go, i only buy old masters books. But that's because i find them more educational then a how to book. I keep coming back to them to observe the paintings. Nonetheless i would buy the mentioned books, they can shed light on subjects that aren't covered extensively in videos.

These days there are so many wonderful youtube channels. These are just a few, perhaps some are more useful then others, and some are more entertaining. I like Walcott's channel, i find it soothing.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB9...sKQ9fag/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/zinlimpresent/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3Z...8SWDhyV2M8gOkw
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn_...EAD-rh3IjeYIrw

Vincent Desiderio has an amazing lecture and demo at an university that you can find on youtube.
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