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Old 07-10-2017, 01:56 PM
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The Book of Kells 800 AD.

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Although you can put a foot wrong here and there I am impressed with these studies Dave you are seeing better which I believe is the point of studying naked people.

Nothing dark about the book of Kells.
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If Petrarch is to believed there was darkness between the fall of Rome and the Renaissance!
Certainly a dark period at the moment with my lack of abstraction.

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Dave, Petrarch is not to be believed although to be fair to him I believe he was referring mainly to the decline of Roman literature, a nostalgia for the Roman past. The middle ages saw the rise of Christianity and with it the idea of charity, hospitals and Universities. Agriculture improved and Charlemagne organized and improved writing which enabled people to read better.

The design elements are all abstract turn your work into designs but first you must overcome your laziness.
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You’re right not to believe Petrarch, a lot of derogatory terms comes from the Renaissance writers, take for example Gothic Art which of cause had nothing to do with the Goths and was just a contemptuous term for Northen Art prior to the renascence. Raphael and Vasari have a lot to answer to.

Yes the problem with abstraction is to design and arranging symbols that represent personal ideas and feelings into something vital and complete and individual to the maker of the art, defiantly not a job for a lazy man!

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Fabulous group of drawings =)
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Don’t be influenced by Bill he just doesn’t want to eat cabbage Donna, they are not fabulous just rather insipid monstrosities of drawing.

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Dave I'd rather eat cabbage than crow. You could be an art critic If you wanted to I have never heard of one's drawings referred to as, "insipid monstrosities"
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Here you go Bill some summer cabbage to go with the garbbage I produce .

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I love the effect of the white touches here and there. They are only in a few places, but make the rest of the drawing stand out in a very effective way.
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Hi Agem,
Welcome to wet canvas and the figure forum, just at the moment most life drawing groups are on stop for the summer so the forum is very quiet.

The best we can hope is that my drawings will serve as a bad example so people know what to avoid.
It’s important you realise that these are very bad drawings and that exposer to them will erode the foundations of your own drawing.
Don't pity bad drawing or endure it and certainly do not embrace it, bad drawing is a vice.

Heed Alexander Pope’s warning.
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that to be hated needs but to be seen.
But seen too oft and familiar with her face,
we first pity, then endure, then embrace."

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Journeyman, thank you very much for your nice welcome. As for the rest of your comments:

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The best we can hope is that my drawings will serve as a bad example so people know what to avoid.
Well, I think mostly people don't want to avoid bad examples, life is too dull only with exemplary examples.

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It’s important you realise that these are very bad drawings and that exposer to them will erode the foundations of your own drawing.
Don't worry, I was conveniently protected (wore dark glasses), and anyway, my drawing doesn't have a noticeable foundation yet.

As for Alexander Pope's, my English is not good enough to understand him, so I'm not sure if you mean he's a good or a bad example.
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As for Alexander Pope's, my English is not good enough to understand him
Your English is excellent and I’m sure you will have no problem understanding Pope once you get used to his archaic English, try a few more pertinent lines.

Yet if we look more closely, we shall find
Most have the Seeds of Judgment in their Mind;
Nature affords at least a glimm'ring Light;
The Lines, tho' touch'd but faintly, are drawn right.
But as the slightest Sketch, if justly trac'd,
Is by ill Colouring but the more disgrac'd,
So by false Learning is good Sense defac'd.
Some are bewilder'd in the Maze of Schools,
And some made Coxcombs Nature meant but Fools.
In search of Wit these lose their common Sense,
And then turn Criticks in their own Defence:

You will find it’s important to not use blinkers or dark glasses when trying to see clearly.
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Dave, Petrarch is not to be believed although to be fair to him I believe he was referring mainly to the decline of Roman literature, a nostalgia for the Roman past. The middle ages saw the rise of Christianity and with it the idea of charity, hospitals and Universities. Agriculture improved and Charlemagne organized and improved writing which enabled people to read better.

The design elements are all abstract turn your work into designs but first you must overcome your laziness.


But in science and technology the world stepped back 1 thousand years. The world lost the technologies of water plumbing, most of its math knowledge, the early steam engines (yes romans had early works.. although still too weak to be useful), engineering skill dropped like a rock in a lake.. Medicide went backwards (romans knew they had to treat wounds with CLEAN clothes.. something that was rediscovered only 1 thousand years later).

As a scientist.. there is no doubt it was a dark age for knowledge.
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Your English is excellent and I’m sure you will have no problem understanding Pope once you get used to his archaic English, try a few more pertinent lines.
I'm afraid you underestimate archaic English. It is so much more powerful than me!

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