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Old 02-18-2017, 02:23 PM
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Who uses Payne's Gray?

I have Payne's gray on my 8 color pallete, (actually 9 colors, if I include the viridian green which I rarely use) but I have read to never use Payne's by itself, that it is cold and can easily ruin a painting. I have used it on a foggy harbor scene and it looked fine (to me), but lately I have not been using it much and just mixing my grays. Just wondering who uses Payne's gray, and if so, in what instances should it be used? I was experimenting with it in some shadows in snow mixed with a bit of ultramarine, but I am wondering if I even need it at all? Thanks in advance for any comments.
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Old 02-18-2017, 04:06 PM
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Re: Who uses Payne's Gray?

I use Payne's Gray, sometimes. I rarely use it straight but when mixed with lemon yellow in varying amounts you can come up with several nice greens, enough to eliminate all of the green pigments. But hey!! That's just me. I'm sure somebody else will tell you different.

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Old 02-18-2017, 04:19 PM
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Re: Who uses Payne's Gray?

I am one of the few that uses it quite a bit. I'm odd that way.

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Old 02-18-2017, 04:59 PM
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I use Payne's Gray, sometimes. I rarely use it straight but when mixed with lemon yellow in varying amounts you can come up with several nice greens, enough to eliminate all of the green pigments. But hey!! That's just me. I'm sure somebody else will tell you different.

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Glen so true the sage/olive greens are great when mixing cad yellow or raw sienna with Payne's gray. That alone is enough to keep it on my pallete. Sometimes I use it on the underside of clouds as well.
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Re: Who uses Payne's Gray?

I use a neutral tint (M Graham which doesn't contain black) most of the time for shadows and add a little blue if I want it cooler. In acrylics I use Payne's Gray all the time, but it doesn't need to be transparent.

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Re: Who uses Payne's Gray?

I use Paynes grey usually in mixes or as a glaze. I also use Sepia and Undersea Green as darkening colors. Other times I use mixes of Complimentary Colors as darkening colors. It depends on the colors used in the painting and the method of painting I'm using. Sometimes I just paint with a Triad of colors.
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Re: Who uses Payne's Gray?

Here's a good use of Payne's Gray from Alan Owen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLL4rbOJzS0

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Re: Who uses Payne's Gray?

My first tutor encouraged all students to purchase W&N artist quality Payne's Grey which I did but I've never used it.
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Re: Who uses Payne's Gray?

It's a nice blue gray which is well suited to monochromatic figural studies that need a good middle gray tone. It is also good for distant hills in landscapes..
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Re: Who uses Payne's Gray?

I use Payne's grey. Not recently, and not when I was first learning watercolor years ago (mainly because everyone else used it, and I liked more exotic paints), but I've come to find it very useful when paired with a brown.

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There's a lot of "never" rules in watercolor that don't really deserve the status of being a rule. They're often just a particular way of making watercolor that one teacher or another may insist to their students. However, in art there are a lot of possibilities.
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Re: Who uses Payne's Gray?

When I want to practice the skill of seeing and painting values I only use Payne's gray and Sepia. Mixed together they make a more neutral gray.
So you have a warm brown gray, cool blue gray and a neutral gray.
Incredible the range you can make out of these two.
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:08 AM
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Re: Who uses Payne's Gray?

I use Paynes Grey as a dark blue
A very versatile color

I add it to my mixed foliage greens when I need the dark shadow greens inside a tree and the like
Stormy skies instead of Prussian blue
It is strong enough to hold against Cadmium Yellow
Makes amazing purples
Get the idea?

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Re: Who uses Payne's Gray?

I mix my greys, but Payne's Grey has a very wide range and can be used for monochromes. Here's one I did when I first started painting 20 years ago.



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I like Paynes grey, a versatile mixer.
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