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Old 01-23-2017, 12:20 PM
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Arms question--(no, not 3 third world war)

I received a negative crit/suggestion to make a change.
My painting has 2 women facing forward. One with left arm akimbo (>), right am hanging relaxed at her side. Second woman has left hand at throat area,
right am hanging relaxed at her side.
Critter wants something different done with that arm since it is similar to the other woman's. I can see it needs a glaze to shade and maybe define it better, but is a position change necessary for good composition?
How would I change it? There's only so many positions arms are used in a friendly, casual setting.
Only one person mentioned it.
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Re: Arms question--(no, not 3 third world war)

Is it the painting in this thread? - for those that may not have seen it -
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/show...14&postcount=1

If so ,
I do see the same arm lines, same shirt line, same side of body thing...
Maybe one of them can be holding something , just to change the arm / shirt line a small amount.
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Re: Arms question--(no, not 3 third world war)

done in oils, easy to change/alter ... or not
i'd be looking at (google it) the overall human proportions, assuming you're looking for accuracy. the heads seem tiny and legs seem really long. could be your style and that's okay.
arms, yes, shadows/highlights will help tremendously as right now the tree trunk coming out of her shoulder is stronger than the arm itself and that's a little disconcerting.

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Re: Arms question--(no, not 3 third world war)

You could just change it up by changing one of the shirts , loose , blousey, or a geometric pattern or stripes, mainly something to make them less similar looking..

Consistent shadows,shading, highlights etc will help overall.
I see some very light shadows I think , but only in a few places.
If a sunny day ( it seems like it is due to the vivid colors/brightness ) it would have stronger shadows and they should be consistent for people, planters, rocks , fence etc.
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Old 01-23-2017, 10:43 PM
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Re: Arms question--(no, not 3 third world war)

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Is it the painting in this thread? - for those that may not have seen it -http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/show...14&postcount=1

If so, I do see the same arm lines, same shirt line, same side of body thing...
Maybe one of them can be holding something , just to change the arm / shirt line a small amount.
Yes, tj84, it is that piece. The blue woman might hold something. She was invited to Becky's garden to get some produce, and IRL was holding a brown grocery bag full of greens. I didn't want to put that in. Maybe just bending her arm across her body would do the trick. Do you think?

Apparently the shadows I do have are not showing up well enough. I'll work on them.
I did darken much of the fence a bit, by scumbling burnt umber on it. I do not want to make it much, if any darker.
Thanks for your advice. It is appreciated.
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Old 01-23-2017, 10:51 PM
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Re: Arms question--(no, not 3 third world war)

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done in oils, easy to change/alter ... or not
i'd be looking at (google it) the overall human proportions, assuming you're looking for accuracy. the heads seem tiny and legs seem really long. could be your style and that's okay.
arms, yes, shadows/highlights will help tremendously as right now the tree trunk coming out of her shoulder is stronger than the arm itself and that's a little disconcerting. la

La, thank you. I use an anatomy book, and measured the bodies several times. Reading your comments, I measured again. The height proportions are correct for both, but the eyes on both are a bit low. Relatively easy to fix.
Part of the reason they look off is they are both very thin. I thought I corrected that weeks ago, but obviously not. So, back to the drawing board. With paint! I hope those areas will be as easily adjusted.

Thank you both very much.
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Old 02-05-2017, 04:51 PM
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Re: Arms question--(no, not 3 third world war)

I just uploaded what I think is the finished painting in the WIPS
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/show...1#post21025741

I'd appreciate it if you'd look in and comment if you have time.
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Old 04-26-2017, 02:40 PM
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Re: Arms question--(no, not 3 third world war)

My opinion is you cannot focus only on the composition.. you need to think of the gesture they show The position of arms is just a part of it, but it needs to be believable within the scene alongside other things as for example, are both of them looking at the very same thing ( it seems so by the line of sight presented). Usually when 2 people are looking fixed at something it is because one or other outside that group has called upon something to be looked at. When that happens people do not keep certain poses.. their whole body gesture changes in subtle ways.

That is something that appear a lot when you have a painting. Everyone feels it natural for a "say cheese" pose when they are looking at a photo, but they expect a more natural scene being depicted when they see a painting. I hope it makes sense for you.. the circunstances one is painted are different than when one is photographed.. you want to have a good composition and gesture you need to think.. what "story" this is telling.... what their bodies should look like if they are doing that?

What can one say these 2 woman are doing when one looks at your painting? Answer that to yourself and then you can much more precisely say if the composition and their gesture are correct or not.
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Old 01-21-2018, 03:17 PM
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Re: Arms question--(no, not 3 third world war)

Tiago.dagostini, Well, almost a year late. Thank you for your comment, you are right of course. In fact, I'm copying this into my file so that hopefully I remember it.
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