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Float frame for 1/4" MDF

I do oil paintings on 12x16x 1/4" MDF boards and need to figure out how to hang them properly for shows.

I love the "float frame" look but am not good at carpentry so I thought I'd be clever and buy some of these picture frames (link) but mount my board on top rather than behind it. I'm also trying to keep my costs down and this looks like a cheaper solution that still looks good.

My questions:

How to best fix the painting to the frame - glue? hardware? both?

What kind of black paint to use to create the float frame effect? How to apply it so it's even with straight lines?

What type of hanging hardware should I use?


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Re: Float frame for 1/4" MDF

You could use velcro then,you could switch paintings if needed,or 3M sticky pads,or adhesive.
Acrylic paint will do,but I dont understand what straight lines you are talking about.?
As for hanging hardware there are plenty,screw eyes,D- rings ,and others,google will find you plenty to use with or without cord or picture wire.

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Re: Float frame for 1/4" MDF

Velcro! I wonder if this would be strong enough, the boards are not that light.

For straight lines I mean the floating effect is done by painting a black 1/4" strip that sticks out from under the painting.
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Re: Float frame for 1/4" MDF

You are painting the backing board?? and removing the glass-acrylic should do the job and the wax or varnish if required.
I would gues a couple of strips of velcro or even four smaller bits near the corners would hold,but you would have to try it out ,anyway good luck
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Re: Float frame for 1/4" MDF

Glue small blocks to back of painting then screws through back board into blocks,but you might need deeper frames .
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Re: Float frame for 1/4" MDF

Here is an old thread about hanging MDF, but it doesn't include attaching to some kind of frame
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=933897

I also found a DIY tutorial where an artist has "attached" (doesn't say how) a 1/4" strip to the board so it can create the floating effect (that's what I'm trying to do):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1UZL1_cvYc [at 1:40]

I guess epoxy not screws or nails are best for hanging MDF. Add strip moulding around the edge and it shows the painting really well.

Now I just have to figure out how to attach the strip securely to the painting itself because it will bear all the weight once it's hanging.

The above tutorial also doesn't show where the eyelet or D-hinge for the hanging wire goes.

Sorry if I'm not being clear - I'm no carpenter.

It needs to be this easy or easier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLkLp_ekl6E [I'd rather spend my time painting!]
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Re: Float frame for 1/4" MDF

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Here is an old thread about hanging MDF, but it doesn't include attaching to some kind of frame
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=933897

I also found a DIY tutorial where an artist has "attached" (doesn't say how) a 1/4" strip to the board so it can create the floating effect (that's what I'm trying to do):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1UZL1_cvYc [at 1:40]

I guess epoxy not screws or nails are best for hanging MDF. Add strip moulding around the edge and it shows the painting really well.

Now I just have to figure out how to attach the strip securely to the painting itself because it will bear all the weight once it's hanging.

The above tutorial also doesn't show where the eyelet or D-hinge for the hanging wire goes.

Sorry if I'm not being clear - I'm no carpenter.

It needs to be this easy or easier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLkLp_ekl6E [I'd rather spend my time painting!]
I work as a framer. All of your ideas are good and should work just fine. The only reason to use screws rather than epoxy is because epoxy is permanent. In my work I always have to keep in mind that I might eventually have to disassemble what I have constructed. If that is not a concern to you then go ahead and use epoxy.

It seems to me that you have done enough research and so I suggest that you move on to practical application. Try something that makes sense to you and then see how well it worked out. Anyway, those are my suggestions. Best of good fortune to you; and do let us know the end results.
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Re: Float frame for 1/4" MDF

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I work as a framer. All of your ideas are good and should work just fine. The only reason to use screws rather than epoxy is because epoxy is permanent. In my work I always have to keep in mind that I might eventually have to disassemble what I have constructed. If that is not a concern to you then go ahead and use epoxy.

It seems to me that you have done enough research and so I suggest that you move on to practical application. Try something that makes sense to you and then see how well it worked out. Anyway, those are my suggestions. Best of good fortune to you; and do let us know the end results.

I thought I'm not allowed to use screws with MDF because they'll fall out. My worst nightmare would be having the pictures on display and crashing to the floor.
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I thought I'm not allowed to use screws with MDF because they'll fall out. My worst nightmare would be having the pictures on display and crashing to the floor.
It depends on the weight of the object being held. There are alternatives. You can use double sided tape -- again if the object's weight is not too much. Staples would be better if you could get the right angle to set them into place.

My point being that you are going to have to take some chances and simply see if you like the results or can live with them. Even if things separate after the fact you are unlikely to damage a painting or damage it beyond repair. As for the frame, if you are using an inexpensive one in the first place then it is replaceable.

Personally I think that your ideas are good and that you have enough options to give it a try. But it's your decision and you have to be psychologically comfortable with this.
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Re: Float frame for 1/4" MDF

Okay Yvonne here is the absolute easiest, cheapest way - no carpentry skills. If you have opposable thumbs you can do this. So let's say you're hanging your 12x16 panel in landscape. You need two 1"x2" (called one by twos) strips of wood each about 8"inches long. You attach those vertically to the back of your panel about two inches or so from the edge. Use silicone sealant instead of glue to attach them. That way if you ever need to take them off you simply slide a knife between the strip and the panel breaking the silicone seal. I have seen panels hung this way in a very up-scale show and they looked great. Paint the back black - the panel looks like it's floating off the wall.


screw in eyelets and string a wire. BTW you can buy silicone sealant in a toothpaste size tube - no need to use a calking gun, etc.
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Thanks - great idea Bongolian
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Re: Float frame for 1/4" MDF

First post, so Hi all.

Thought I'd pass on a modelling tip for MDF, screw into the MDF until the screw is just flush, remove screw and drip thin CA glue into the hole do this until the CA forms a puddle of glue in the hole, soak up with a tissue, wait until the CA has cured, et voila a hardened hole that will take a good load, I have 2400 high sliding wardrobe doors hanging on screwed brackets using this method, after four years nothing has crashed to the floor.

Also to permenatley mount your art board onto a backing I use three blobs from a glue gun, nice thing is you can build the height up with successive blobs to really get a shadow effect if required.

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