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Old 10-27-2003, 03:41 AM
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Flemish Technique - WIP

Hello everyone!
It seems, I started my painting based on www.artpapa.com (which for some reasons does not work more than 2 weeks now).

It is birthday present for my mother, so I have to do it secretly (she will not come here ).

Size: 30x45cm
This is the first layer - Imprimatura. Only 6 are missing now .
I hope, Umber underlayer will be done next Saturday.



Waiting for C&C, questions...

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Old 10-27-2003, 05:22 AM
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Hi Pavol!

This will be interesting to follow. Could you include, for every step, which material you used? As for this imprimatura; - what color did you use, and how did you do the sketch?

Good luck for the next steps,


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Old 10-27-2003, 05:51 AM
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Hi Matt,
I had prepared longer description, but I am in a hurry at the work (well actually, not exactly a hurry, but still too many things to do), so I forgot many details I wanted to write.

Drawing was done with carbon paper (to get it faster and better) - I am ashamed by this . Then it was outlined with ink.
Next, canvas was oiled with linseed oil (oiling has to be done before every new layer) and wiped by cloth to remove exceeding oil. For me, it helped also to get rid of remains of carbon paper, which could dirty painting.

Imprimatura color is olive hue done from Prussian Blue, Yellow chre, Burnt Umber, Flake White and he suggests also Lamp Black (I do not see why). It should be thinned by turpentine with Damar Crystals (I am not sure if I can post ratio), but I used damar varnish thinned by turpentine (no exact ratio).
It is evenly brushed into canvas. It should need a week to dry.

I feel little strange to be in position to make promoting of Artpapa products by my work - if I fail their layers will sue me because of ruinning their business .

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The drawing looks good.

I look forward to seeing it finished
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Old 10-27-2003, 11:17 AM
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Me too . My expectations are high, reality might be little worse.

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Old 10-27-2003, 11:21 AM
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Hi

So I don't know what the FLemish Method is, what Impiratura is....or much else.

I will be back to watch this with interest.

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Old 10-27-2003, 10:21 PM
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I can't wait to see this!!!! Did I understant it well, that you have to wait a week between each layer? Uh, the roses will take a long time to paint!!! Are you using a reference photo? Fake flowers?
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Old 10-28-2003, 04:50 AM
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Hi,
Pam, flemish technique is a way some flemish painters used in 16-18 century (plus minus, I am not good at art history ). It is taught by painter Sergei Antonov and I recently bought his e-book transcript of his workshop video. Unfortunately his web is down nearly 3 weeks now, so www.artpapa.com is not useful for getting information.

I am using the photograph for painting.
Waiting is needed because of drying of layers. Unfortunately, it is much longer for successive layers (3-4 weeks). It is needed for better durability of painting (up to 400 years ). However I will not fulfill all steps and manufacturer of my paints guarantee only 30 years .

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However I will not fulfill all steps and manufacturer of my paints guarantee only 30 years .

Pavol

What brand of paint do you use Pavol?
I have read what ArtPapa has on his website about the flemish technique but I am very interested in watching how you accomplish this.
I have tried 1 flemish painting so far an somewhat displeased with the results. I am doing something or multiple somethings wrong so maybe you will enlighten me.
Your drawing and the composition look super!

cheers

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Old 10-28-2003, 06:20 AM
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What brand of paint do you use Pavol?
I am using Czech brand Umton. It is the most affordable non-student brand here. Also I have some tubes from Pebeo, and Flake White from Burgeois/LeFranc (I misspelled it for sure).

Where can be your result to be seen? Is it possible? Maybe your experiences could help me to avoid the same problems (and then to enlighten you ).

Thanks for liking drawing. Unfortunately (for me) it was based on one old postcard, little modified with computer, printed 1:1 and transfered by carbon paper. So no real effort by me to be proud of - that will come in next weeks.

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Old 10-28-2003, 06:29 AM
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Hi Pavol,
It is the Roses WIP and my wife likes it, it is what she asked for, but I am less thrilled. I used a grayish blue verdaccio instead of the impretura (misspelled) and I relied on no photo or real object to paint from. Next time I will use photos or real object. I doubt everything I do now. I am just trying to get it done so I can start anew. LOL
Show me how it is done my friend!

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Old 10-28-2003, 07:43 AM
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I like your roses dudley_d. I saw it before, but I do not comment often (I do not see myself good enough and my time to browse WC is limited). And with knowing it was done without photo or real object, my jaw dropped even further.
But probably it was not done by Flemish technique (this particular one). Because it uses layers: imprimatura, umber underlayer, (another umber underlayer), dead layer, (next dead layer), color layer, finishing layer. Every one (apart from optional mentioned in braces) has the different meaning.

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Old 10-28-2003, 08:01 AM
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Sorry Pavol,
I guess I dont understand then.
I will watch you do it. And ask questions?

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Old 10-28-2003, 08:06 AM
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No problem dudley_d. I was just afraid you failed with Antonov technique.
Anybody can ask question and/or give comments. We are here for them, aren't we? So everybody is welcome.

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