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Old 04-13-2010, 12:11 AM
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Sedona View

Been pushin' chalk around on this for a couple of days and I know it needs some changes but I can't put my finger on it. Any ideas?

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Do you have a reference photo you were working from or is this a plein air? If you have one it might spark some ideas around here!

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Hi Lynn,

This is actually from a plein air oil sketch that I did from one of the hiking trails. Don't remember if I took a photo... I'll have to look for it.

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Re: Sedona View

The foreground reads the same as the mid ground...maybe if you deepened the chroma / saturation at the foreground it would push the midground back a bit...?
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I like it the way it is but you guys are better at landscapes then I am. james
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Nice job on this one, Randy. I've only been to Sedona once and I remember the warmth in those rock colors. Is there any way you could give those of us who aren't as familiar with the area some clues as to the scale of those rocks? Maybe if the foreground vegetation was a little more defined then we could see that the bushes or grasses get smaller as they approach the rocks and the rock formation would seem that much more impressive. You could possibly transplant a tree from another painting or photo to add to that sense of distance. My last nit-picky thought would be to check your edges to be sure that the rocks and mountain are not softened to the same degree. Just thoughts, and not worth very much!
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I agree with Deirdre, you need to pull the forground forward a bit.
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Hi all,

Thanks! Some great observations and ideas. I was becoming aware of the lack of difference between the fore and mid ground areas. I'll see what I can come up with.

Donna - I think you may have nailed the problem I was aware of but couldn't see. Scale! These rocks are pretty big but there's nothing to set a point of reference. This one's got me stumped. I need to find something to put in there for scale. How tall is a camel?
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Randy...something that may be bothering you is the inconsistency of light source....as noted in this section of your painting.



Also the direction of the shadows aren't casting in the direction the lighted side of the rock indicates.

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That being said,,,,I really like your palette and application technique..very confident strokes...shows great control.
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Randy...something that may be bothering you is the inconsistency of light source....as noted in this section of your painting.


Interesting.... I'll take a closer look. Thanks!
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Re: Sedona View

I think the problem is mostly to do with SCALE. Having not been there myself, I dont know the rock formations, but other paintings I have seen have always made the rocks look HUGE, towering things.

This looks like a small outcrop rather than big, towering rocks. In fact, the greenery at the base of the rocks could be moss and the rocks could be no more than a few feet high!

Just for the fun of it I tried to create a simpler foreground with smaller marks to give the feeling that the bushes to the left might, in fact, be a small forest ..however I have such a shaky hand these days using a mouse, I could not get it quite right. Also, cropping the pic makes the rocks look more dramatic. What do you think?

You could put a couple of tiny figures on top of that rock on the right, as if they had climbed onto it and were looking up at the major rock formation...?

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Wow, Jackie, thank you for taking the time to do this! I've always considered myself a visual learner and this illustrates a couple of very good ideas.

I was settling on the scale issues as being the primary culprit so this will give me some serious things to think about. I can't wait to get back to it.

I'll post my results (unless, of course, I make a complete mess out of it )

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Nice piece and I'd have to go there in person to see it. Care to send me a plane ticket? I really love red rocks!!! LOL

Actually I think between Preston and Jackie you have the right ideas. The shadow direction was immediately what I noticed.

Wow - I never even noticed the scale. Good eyes everyone!

Nice painting!!! Barb
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Re: Sedona View

I love Sedona and the red rocks - I've been there and still marvel at the majestic size and depth of color these rocks have.

Therein lies the problem - at any time of year, these rocks are deep in reds and shadow blues/purples. I also find that your rocks are too soft - in the example I show, there are more hard edges, crevasses in the rock and more contrast in the light.

Hope this example helps a bit -

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Nice piece and I'd have to go there in person to see it. Care to send me a plane ticket? I really love red rocks!!! LOL

Hi Barb, Sorry, can't help with the plane ticket this month but hey! It's only a 24 hour drive!



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