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Old 11-20-2013, 02:32 AM
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frustrating- WC paper!

So Im a newbie at Water colors...and have been using Daler Rowney aquafine, 140lb paper....i usually soak the paper for a few minutes and leave it to dry...and then start painting...make sure no spots appear.

So i tried painting a portrait...and the most annoying thing happened

whenever i applied color of the paper (usually for the skin- burnt sienna mixed with a yellow or red) it would just make a stain...with dots/spots of the color ..and any attempts to move/spread/soften/lighten it would fail..(rather spread with rugged edges)

I continued though and finally i had spots all over...it got lighter as it dried but if you hold it in the light, it looks like the girl I painted has chicken pox

I found an Old arches (about 5 years old atleast) so I decided to make a picture today....and the same thing happened! It looks a bit uneven when dry but hold it in sunlight and you can see clear stains/spots...

Why is this happening? I dont even know what to do with the rest of the paper I have- dont even feel like finishing the painting.

Thanks for any advice.
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Old 11-20-2013, 03:59 AM
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Re: frustrating- WC paper!

Oh dear! What a thing to happen. I have occasionally used Aquafine with no adverse results though I never need to soak my 200lb paper. Soaking is only necessary if you are going to stretch your paper. After wetting the paper, secure it to a board with staples or gummed tape and as it dries it will go tight. This is done to prevent buckling when painting wet in wet.

I would try painting without soaking. If you need even washes wet the area before applying paint.

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Old 11-20-2013, 04:00 AM
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Re: frustrating- WC paper!

It sounds to me like you have a bad batch of paper . I've never used Daler Rowney, but use Arches cold-press and never had that problem. Try purchasing one new sheet of Arches and try samples on quarter-sheets. I don't know why you soak the paper first, especially for a portrait.

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Old 11-20-2013, 04:54 AM
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Re: frustrating- WC paper!

Ouch, that sounds really frustrating.

Since you got the same effect from both DR and Arches papers, I wonder if something happened to them while they were stored in your house.

Good advise from Jan about buying a single sheet and trying it out to see what happens.

I never soak my paper. I tape whatever sheet I will be working on to a board with masking tape. If I am going to work wet into wet, I use a large brush to moisten the paper, usually only on the section I'll be working on. Never had a problem with buckling since I don't wet the whole sheet.

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Old 11-20-2013, 06:32 AM
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Re: frustrating- WC paper!

Good paints? bad paints? staining paints? Soap in the water?

A photo of the problem will help.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:16 AM
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Re: frustrating- WC paper!

browns are often more grainy
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:38 AM
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Re: frustrating- WC paper!

Das Wässern des Papieres muss kein Fehler sein, damit wird in der
Regel die Oberfläche griffiger - aber nicht bei jedem Papier!
Ihr Problem ist das Papier mit hohem Zellulose-Anteil. Jeder Farbauftrag
löst die darunterliegende Schicht an und es gibt Flecken. Die Lösung ist
ein 100%-Hadern-Papier wie Arches oder Saunders, hier können Sie 999
Lasuren ohne Probleme auftragen.

The watering of the paper must be no mistake, it is in the usually
the surface grip - but not every paper!
Your problem is the paper with a high cellulose content. Each color
application solves the underlying layer and it is spots. The solution
is a 100% rag paper like Arches or Saunders, here you can apply 999
glazes without problems.


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Old 11-20-2013, 04:53 PM
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Re: frustrating- WC paper!

In the original post she says she tried a 5 year old piece of Arches paper and the same thing happened.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:32 PM
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Re: frustrating- WC paper!

If you live in a very humid area, it might be mold spores that have affected the paper but weren't visible until it was wet.

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