new Sennelier watercolor line

[blissofsilver]

The video was adorable!

[Philippe56]

Here in France too I saw they replace the product line by another and I profited of low prices to buy a stock for I use them a lot.
But I did not heard about changes in the formula, at least no more changes than normal researches they always did.
I will call them to check and will tell you when I have an answer.

[Philippe56]

Got them on the phone.
The old line is stoped and replaced by the new one. If there are some colors you are fond of, profit of low prices to stock tubes and pans.

Now, if like me you use Sennelier colors a lot, be ready to make new tests with the new line for it will change colorations and nuances.

Just a precision, for the moment pigments do not change, only the mixture of liant will contain honey or more of it for those containing already.

[pumkin54]

Japanese company Turner sold exclusively by Jerry's. They've been making gouache for a long time and now they have a new line of watercolors. I'm eager to try!

http://www.jerrysartarama.com/discou...atercolors.htm

[charliez]

And??... they are related to Sennelier?

[pumkin54]

Originally Posted by charliez

And??... they are related to Sennelier?

No need to be rude. I didn't feel like starting an entirely new thread to share that bit of news. Since I started this thread in the first place to talk about a new line of watercolors, I decided it was okay to addendum it here.

[Saint Ragdoll]

I see Turner has some "maya" colors. I know Daniel Smith has Maya colors and because a pigment number isnt listed on the DS Maya paints I thought thatbment they were copywright protected DS only paint colors.
Turners Maya colors dont have pigment numbers either.
I read somehere online that the orginal Maya blue color was a blue pigment bound somehow with plaster and that caused it to be so permanant. Anyone know anything about these Maya colors?

Saint Ragdoll

[Mayberry]

The Mayan colors are produced by Mayan Pigments. http://www.mayanpigments.com/index.htm You can buy Mayan dry pigments from Sinopia Pigments http://www.sinopia.com/genuine-mayan-pigments.aspx and Earth Pigments http://www.earthpigments.com/product...n-pigments.cfm. Natural Pigments carries Mayan Blue pigment and their own watercolor formulation of Mayan Blue. http://www.naturalpigments.com/detai...UCT_ID=850-111

[mbingol]

Hi,

This is my first post in WetCanvas. I am very happy to join you.

I am new in watercolor painting. After reading handprint.com, I decided to order different watercolor paints from several brands in order to compare them. I just received my small set. Here is my first evaluation :

Sennellier L'Aquarelle new formulation of Phthalocyanine Blue (PB 15:3). The pigment load is very good. While applying the paint, I enjoyed the shine of the honey inside. I had a control of the painting process with adding pigment gradually to the wash and each time it gets more intense. I can say it is comparable with W&N, but these are words of a beginner of course.

Jacksonsart' s Artist watercolors : I got 2 pans (Burnt Umber, Indian Yellow). It took around 10 brush strokes in order to take pigment from Burnt Umber. I don't know if Burnt Umber is so weak principally. But I am not happy with it.

MaimeriBlu Verzion Violet (PR122). I liked the pigment loading as well. Beautiful color ready to be used for flowers.

[Horsa]

Intersting about the changes in colour names. I did notice that Cheap Joe's has renamed a lot of the American Journey colours. Most of the changes I noticed did away with the flowery whimsical names and changed to names in more widespread use for those colours and pigments.

I was dashing back and forth between Handprint, my paint catalogs and a workshop colour list trying to figure out what from the recomended list I had, what I didn't and what to get to get the ones I don't have. Pigment numbers are so much less confusing.

[Tred]

I bought a couple of tubes as soon as I saw their introduction - French Vermillion (PR 242) and Yellow Lake (PY 150). Initially I thought they were the same consistency as W&N but having had them in my palette for about 6 weeks I find that the PY 150 is solid but moist - the PR 242 is runny. No surface skin has developed and any palette incorporating this colour needs to be kept horizontal. Never having used Graham paints I cannot compare and perhaps the PR 242 is the same consistency as the Graham range but if the majority of the Sennelier remains as liquid as the PR 242 I will give them a wide berth. On the other hand the consistency of the PY 150 is, IMHO, near to ideal. I would be interested to hear from others who have purchased paints of the new Sennelier range.
Cheers
Tred

[RuiFromUK]

As Peter says Sennelier already used honey in their paints for as long as I have used their French Vermillion which is probably the brightest orange red pigment one can get.

A review of this pigment Pr242 can be found in the forever useful www.handprint.com website which says and I quote:"Disazo scarlet PR242 is a very lightfast, semitransparent, heavily staining, moderately dark valued, very intense orange red pigment; seven manufacturers offer it worldwide. Unrated by the ASTM, my 2004 lightfastness tests give it an "excellent" (I) rating, though I did find a slight loss in saturation and hue shift toward blue near the end of the test. It may be the most intense red orange pigment available in watercolors, and retains its high chroma without any hue shift in tints; it has a just perceptible, fine granulation when diffused in wet applications."

[Philippe56]

I have bought some of the new line.
Finaly , not as I asserted in previous post, lots of pigment composition have changed even if the reference and names have not.
For the moment I'am happy with those I bought but did not have enough times to make lot of tests.

[Renilou]

I recently bought the French Vermillion (PR 242) and it is not runny at all. But maybe that is because it might be the old line. Its the only Sennelier brand I have too. I like it because it tends to stay where I put it while painting with it better than most, not running out of control on the watercolor paper. Does all the Sennelier brand watercolor pigments have this same tendency? Is it the brand or just the PR242 pigment? Or is it the old line of paint and not the new one? I have no clue which one I bought. But a thick area dried sort of shiny. If the new line is runny, I hesitate to get any because if what I have is from the old line, I want the old! I just don't know because I was not paying attention when I ordered it because I did not know there was a close out with the old for the new. I just saw the website and bought the PR242 not knowing there had been an upgrade. I may very well have gotten the newer one.

I would like to know more about this brand if anyone wishes to share about the difference between the older version and the newer.
The problem with too much honey, as with M Graham, painting en plein air is not fun because your paint will attract bugs.


I know that all pigments behave differently and brand has nothing to do with it most of the time. But in one case, Holbein watercolor tends to stay put because its formulated that way because of not using Ox-gall. Schmincke is formulated to all work harmoniously together.
PS. I have allot M Graham watercolor and for the record, I have yet to find any runny paint from that brand. Honey is not what makes watercolor paint runny. It's from too much Ox-gall in the batch of paint to be processed.

[Renilou]

Originally Posted by pumkin54

Yeah, especially considering all the tech specs aren't yet available. Their "blue Sennelier" is phthalo blue, PB15:6. But they also have a Phthalo Blue, so what's the difference?

Are they both PB15.6? Because every last number is actually a warmer or cooler version of the same pigment.
I do wish paint companies would lose the stupid names. Holbein is the worst about that.