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Old 04-29-2012, 10:46 AM
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If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use?

If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use? and i ask mainly landscape and flower paintters. i thinking quality paint is more important than colour range. and w&n artist acryl prices looks i cannot buy more than 12 colours. i know what manufacturer recommends but to me permant alizarin crimson is hue what i want replace permant rose based colour chart. i think its better for clear violets. some how i never liked much alizarin crimson i know replacents are little different but still little similar when we know permant rose is totally different colour.
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Old 04-30-2012, 05:47 AM
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Re: If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use?

I consider 12 colors to be plenty...I can't imagine ever needing more. A few questions which will help you to make your choice: Do you want maximum chroma? Do you want some convenience mixtures to save time - such as green(s) or earth yellows or browns?

Some people prefer Alizarin Crimson (or a very similar but more lightfast substitute) as their violet-red. Others prefer Quinacridone Rose, Magenta, Violet (PV19 or PR122) - which are more purplish, more chromatic, and mix cleaner violets. It's mainly personal preference.
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:12 AM
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Re: If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use?

i want single pigments. earths are only expection. and i want widest possbile colour range. and i know some kind colours are next to impossible mix at least in aquarelle.
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Re: If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use?

Good that you prefer single pigments. And no reason not to choose single pigments for your earth colors too. Since you want maximum chroma and no more than 12 pigments, probably your best bet is to start with some form of the 'secondary palette' (I prefer to call it the 'primary + secondary' palette because that better describes what it is) :

http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/palette4e.html

To allow maximum chroma, 3 of the colors are mandatory because no other lightfast colors give such high chroma in their general hue: Ultramarine Blue, Phthalo Blue GS (or Phthalo Cyan), and Phthalo Green (YS or BS - choose whichever is a better complement to your red(s)). Your choice of yellow, orange-red (scarlet), and rose/magenta are more a personal choice and how they work with the other colors; complementary relationships are important for mixing blacks/near-blacks. Another hugely important consideration is if you prefer opaque or transparent for some colors.

After the 6 main colors, you can add any others to extend chroma if/where needed, as well as convenience. An earth or two that would be useful (maybe Raw Sienna, Burnt Umber, or a transparent Quinacridone earth color). Some people like to have two yellows - one opaque and one transparent, maybe one lemony, the other a middle or orangy yellow. Dioxazine Purple if you absolutely need the brightest purples possible. Maybe Hookers Green or Sap Green as a go-to dull green to use in mixes and to make an excellent black with Dioxazine Purple if you have it. Maybe a good Alizarin Crimson Hue for skin tones when you want a purplish red that is not as strident and 'lipstick' as the Quinacridones. Black or Paynes Grey can be an awesome 'convenience' color for darkening and greying colors - and if used judiciously, it won't result in 'muddy' coloration. Just a few ideas to get the ball rolling in your color choices.
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:45 AM
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Re: If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use?

actually i think i need both transparent and opaque for some colours this is one reason why my palette is maybe even 18-24 colours someday but to start i think its going be 8...(two reds,blues,and yellows and white and black).
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Re: If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use?

Quinacridone red PR209 is very good to mix bright orange and violet color range. You can replace both Cad Red PR108 and Alizarin Hue PR177 with one PR209 color. I guess PR209 is one of the best rose color too. Do not need to have 2 reds.
http://www.dickblick.com/items/00690-3273/#colorswatch

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Re: If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use?

For a minimum set of paints, you might want to take a look at Bill Martin's list (it's for oil paints, but could be used or adapted for acrylics) over here. He lists eight paints, including white. If you use Quinacridone Red (PR209) in place of the two reds he has listed, like Gigalot (above) suggests, you can reduce the list to seven colors. You could then add a couple of earth colors, and possibly black (if you want to have black on your palette). With the nine or ten colors you then have, any additional colors can be used to "round out your gamut."
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Old 05-04-2012, 07:12 AM
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Re: If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use?

Becouse i made fliowers (even more than landscapes)*idea of single red dont work i am sure. ps. pr209 i dont know if even found brands what i thinking use looks like is available but still.
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Re: If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use?

Ok. You can use palette formula CMYK + RGB + White to decide yourself which paints will be your yellow, cyan, magenta and other. Highly effective 8 colours limited palette. In general G = green chromium oxide PG17, B = UMB, R = Cad red light or "Hue" Naphtol carbamide PR112.
Plus add any four earth colours you prefer to use (yellow ochre, burnt sienna, indian red or any other..)
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Re: If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use?

bright botanical greens needss when asked form me PG7. can be nit natural if i dont mix with yellow and very small amount warm red (i used po20 in aquarelle) at least aquaelle works fine.
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Re: If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use?

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actually i think i need both transparent and opaque for some colours this is one reason why my palette is maybe even 18-24 colours someday but to start i think its going be 8...(two reds,blues,and yellows and white and black).

Oh, a man after my own heart. Do you have a watercolor background? I love playing opaque and transparent with acrylics. Since I'm a plein air painter, I do try to limit what goes out in the field with me, and it changes periodically. But in the past couple of years, I've made it a priority to carry at least a few transparents. My plein air set is currently:
  1. Transparent yellow (varies --- I'm playing with Nickel Azo, Quin Gold, Indian Yellow and trying to pick which one will live with me forever! LOL Suggestions welcomed!)
  2. PR206 (Golden Quinacridone Burnt Orange or Daniel Smith Quinacridone Burnt Scarlet. I don't know if any other companies are making this pigment for acrylic. This is an amazing, transparent warm red earth color, and I'm using it now in all mediums. The PR206 and transparent yellow give me Transparent Red Oxide, so I don't need that unless it's for convenience.)
  3. Hansa Yellow Opaque or Cadmium Yellow Light (cool opaque yellow)
  4. Diarylide Yellow (Warm opaque yellow)
  5. Pyrrole Red or Cadmium Red (Warm opaque red)
  6. PR 264 (Pyrrole Crimson) or Quinacridone Crimson (Cool transparent red)
  7. Cerulean Blue
  8. Ultramarine Blue
  9. Titanium White

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Old 06-17-2012, 05:43 PM
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Re: If you use acryl and limited palette (12 or less colours) what you use?

Looks like i must reduce even more maybe solution is maybe 8 colours what i allready wrote... and i use mainly watercolour. and maybe use more cheap paints i dont yet know if my budget for hobbies drops but soon i know... or stop dreaming alos acryl paints. actually i must also test watersoluble oil colour which at least smells better than acryls. but brand range is bit limited for flower paintter.
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