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Old 04-12-2012, 11:39 AM
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This has to be a scam correct?

I get an email from
Kathryn Delahunty with an address in the Netherlands. I google the address only to find out that it comes to the Breda Museum in the Netherlands.

anyone else get any emails from this person? or from that museum?

The museum actually seems to be lagite..

if she would actually pay the money via paypal, which I doubt she will..and if I transfer the money into my bank account, could she somehow reverse it? it back charge me something?

what is the safest method for transferring money internationally?
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:23 AM
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Re: This has to be a scam correct?

You can check the header in the email (usually under "view" and then "headers" in your email program). You can fake an email address when you're sending a message.

I wouldn't trust it. Maybe you can forward the email to the museum and ask if she is affiliated with them. I'm sure they would appreciate knowing about it, especially if it is a scam.

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Old 04-13-2012, 01:03 AM
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Re: This has to be a scam correct?

I haven't heard the details, but I would say definitely a scam. I get about five emails a week of people I have never heard of offering to help me manage 10 million plus dollars.... if I will only give them some personal info about myself. LOL, like that is going to happen.
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Old 04-13-2012, 01:14 AM
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Re: This has to be a scam correct?

You can also try a search of her name , and search a few sentences to find out it is is in other places online..
Also this site has a lot of scams listed -
http://www.snopes.com/fraud/topscams.asp


But if you didn't contact the museum or that person, and they are just wanting you to do some sort of money transfer - IT IS A SCAM!!
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Old 04-13-2012, 01:20 AM
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Re: This has to be a scam correct?

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I get an email from
Kathryn Delahunty with an address in the Netherlands. I google the address only to find out that it comes to the Breda Museum in the Netherlands.

anyone else get any emails from this person? or from that museum?

The museum actually seems to be lagite..

if she would actually pay the money via paypal, which I doubt she will..and if I transfer the money into my bank account, could she somehow reverse it? it back charge me something?

what is the safest method for transferring money internationally?

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Old 04-13-2012, 04:07 AM
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Re: This has to be a scam correct?

Paypal is the safest way to accept payment. If you give more details of the email we will be better able to advise you, the language on scam emails usually give them away.
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Re: This has to be a scam correct?

NEVER, NEVER GIVE YOUR BANK DETAILS TO ANYBODY YOU DO NOT KNOW AND TRUST PERSONALLY!
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Just as a side note, this warning is wrong. Especially for someone in Europe (which this buyer might be)

Direct bank transfers are one of the most common forms of payment in Europe. It's usually free for both parties. This is how I pay all my bills, how all my design clients pay me, how many etsy/eBay customers in the UK pay me, and even visitors to the studio will go home and do a bank transfer to buy a painting.

So that alone is NOT a reason to suspect. Though you would just have to tell her that a bank transfer to the USA is very expensive for you and you can only accept Paypal.

I agree with Greg that a lot more information is needed really. I had a scam buyer who sounded perfect until about the 5th email!

Things to look to:
--They haven't asked about a specific painting.
--They live one place and want it shipped to another (I'm working in..., I'm serving at sea..., my other home in Florida... etc)
--Someone else will pay for it
--They want to use their shipper to collect (the exception to this is things like Fedex accounts, which are genuine)
--Usually from one of the anonymous email accounts like hotmail or yahoo.

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ok this is what I got

from: Kathryn Delahunty kattymerchandise@gmail.com
to: Brian Sommers <brian.sommers777@gmail.com>
date: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:03 AM
subject: MY ORDER
mailed-by: gmail.com
signed-by: gmail.com
: Important mainly because of the words in the message.

well I thought I would have a little fun.

I emailed "her" back and ask exactly what pieces she was interested in.
she replied with 5 pieces exactly by name, etc. and she wanted a price

so I called ups and got a shipping price and gave her a quote back.

I jumped a head a bit, she wanted to pay me via her credit card..

so when I emailed her back wth the final total and told her if she want to pay via credit card to pay me via paypal

well now.. she is having problems with paypal accepting her cc.. (how convenient).. she wants me to process it and run it directly.

I responded .. well that is really a shame you will miss out on those beautiful pieces.. I really hope you can get Paypal to accept your credit card.

and I'll see what she says next.
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Re: This has to be a scam correct?

Hi Brian,

I'm not sure about this, but if you are a verified seller, you know that Paypal can charge you or take your money back. of course that this would have to go through a process. So, if sending the painting(s) to her, you should send in a way that the recepiant (sp?) has to sign as delivered.

Now, by defaullt and as Tina said, there's no harm in supplying your bank account IBAN or SWIFT; the only thing that could get someone into trouble would be to have the bad luck of giving the data to lets say a drug cartel and having money deposited into one's account.
I guess that some people are framed this way, but then again we cannot start thinking about everything that could happen.

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Old 04-13-2012, 03:10 PM
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Hi again,

Some interesting reading.

http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/vie...hp?f=6&t=17005
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Re: This has to be a scam correct?

I would help more to know what the email message said.

We don't know from the original post if they are asking about buying some art or if they want to do just some sort of money transfer gimmick
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:10 PM
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Re: This has to be a scam correct?

Re: Secure method payment.

I am in two minds about which isthe safest method; paypal or direct deposit into bank account.

Paypal can do a charge back and is interested in protecting the buyer.

Direct deposit is more secure for the seller because the buyer can't get their money back through the bank -only you.

There is hesitation giving out bank details, however, they can only deposit that money into your account, not withdraw. I make sure I use an account which is not my everyday account, that is aside account specifically for small buying/selling transaction so if something does go wrong, I don't have any pay/savings they can somehow take (I have no savings anyway).

I always mentions in email correspondence that the parcel will be delivered WITH tracking/registration and a delivery confirmation -making it the couriers insurance issue or hopefully Paypal recognising a legite transaction has happened as I can prove it.

They sound soo convincing until its too good to be true. I had one specifically ask me about two different paintings and what was my inspiration -thinking they were really interested.

I am also cautious if it has been an email through my website, as I don't use that account.

Another safe gaurd is to ask for their phone number and you say you wll contact them to have a chat before the transaction is finalised.
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Re: This has to be a scam correct?

She allways replies with. Im having problems with paypal not accepting my cc cant you just charge my cc instead. I replied. Sorry I only use paypal so I guess this wont work out afterall. Havent heard anything back. I think that fixed that
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Re: This has to be a scam correct?

You're wise to be extra cautious. When credit cards are stolen or the account information is obtained criminally, that information is sold over and over until someone catches on and the account is closed. But by that time they have the merchandise and you're stuck with a chargeback.

We've had it happen to us a couple of times and have no idea how they got our card information (the physical card wasn't stolen). But suddenly our statement showed up with all kinds of charges for porn sites, utilities, calling cards, flowers, iTunes, etc.

Direct deposit is no safer...once they have your routing and account number they can get on many sites and pay with that - no verification or ID required. That has happened to us twice, also. Finally the police broke the theft ring and the guy who stole our identity is in jail.

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Re: This has to be a scam correct?

Are there any updates to this?

I got a very similar email from the same person. She wanted to order 7 pieces which were already sold, and I offered to make her similar pieces. At that time, she ordered 5 of each piece (35 total). I gave her a price and she asked about shipping via UPS, DHL, or FedEx as she said USPS has a problem finding her address.

She had me contact a third party shipper in the UK to see about shipping. Shipping was a ton, but she didn't bat an eye when I told her how much it was. The shipping company doesn't take credit cards and wants payment via Western Union She has offered to pay via credit card, and wants me to add an additional $80 to the charge to cover Western Union fees.

This is a big order for me, so if it's legit I'd hate to pass on it. If it's not, however, I don't want to get stuck. No money or product has exchanged hands yet.
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