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04-08-2012, 11:32 AM
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The chapter on greens
Started the chapter this morning spending 15 minutes on the pear tree across the road. Quick breakfast break, now back to the book!
Happy Easter, everyone, hope you are enjoying your Sunday as much as I am!
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04-08-2012, 09:18 PM
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Thalo Blue & Burnt Umber
My self-study books says on Burnt Umber and Thalo Blue: This combination makes beautiful gray-greens that are wonderful for rocks and tree trunks.
Eh... nope. Not for me, it doesn't. I don't get anything that looks remotely like the pictures in the book. I get a metallic gray or a grayish blue.
Anyone?
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04-08-2012, 09:49 PM
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Re: The chapter on greens
yeah, i can get a muted blue green with winsor newton artist burnt umber and utrecht phthalo blue (and white)
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04-08-2012, 10:03 PM
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Re: The chapter on greens
Must be a difference due to brand, then. She is using Academy Thalo Blue while I have Winton. Most of her other paints are Winton, the Burnt Umber is.
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04-09-2012, 02:39 AM
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Re: The chapter on greens
I'm not so fond of the winton... I'm slowly replacing mine. In fact today's job is upgrading my white to something better. I'm sure it is the Winton white that is causing me grief. I'm deciding on a good and limited palate and buying more expensive paints.
Just need to decide which.
I have one or two of the artist grade winsdor and newtons. One is a sap green and it is so much better than my winton sap green. I was mixing it up for my pears and there was no comparison.
While sometimes the cheap paint is great and it works for me a lot of the time. I certainly am seeing why everyone is saying to "look at your paints" and get the best you can afford.
Good luck!
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04-09-2012, 08:25 AM
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Re: The chapter on greens
The Bradford pear above is highlighted with Winton sap green/Winton Titanium white, which I have come to dislike intensely (the white). (BTW, that tree looks horrific in this cell phone picture, wish I hadn't posted it. It's actually sort of cute in real life, seen from the doorway...)
I do like the Winton sap green, I mixed a lot of greens yesterday and made some color charts for my own reference, and the sap green mixed with a little French Ultramarine and some white made some nice shades of green. I'll continue to mix greens and expand my homemade charts, I'd like to really see what I can do with what I have on hand.
Winsor and Newton artist range has several whites that I'm going to try, need something much more transparent. Sounds like we are on the same track... 
Until I get better technically, I'm not going to buy more expensive paints of anything I already have - I'll replace when I run out, but I'll keep going until I hit the wall with what I have. Frustration really creates progress!
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04-09-2012, 09:00 AM
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Re: The chapter on greens
i rarely use ultramarine blue to create greens for nature scenes. With me, its cadium yellow and ivory black believe it or not. A little titanium white and bam! I find that ultramarine blue is too vivid for me. If i am painting halftones i may add blue or if I want some variance. But what do i know, i am just a bum painter with no talent.
my palette always consist of:
ultramarine blue, cadium red, cadium yellow, titanium white and ivory black. The black is rarely used unless mixed with red or yellow for dull purples and oranges. blue is mixed with red and yellow for vivid secondaries. If I need black I just use a dark dark purple since black really does not exist and is just heavily saturated blues or purples.
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04-09-2012, 05:41 PM
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Re: The chapter on greens
Illastrat, thanks for the idea, I'll add it to my experimental agenda!  |
04-09-2012, 05:46 PM
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Re: The chapter on greens
Nods Toril, sounds good. Keep me updated on your white progress. DOn't worry about the tree, experiment and experiment. I bought a whole stack (and i mean a stack of 50) small canvas boards that were $1 each. So i can experiment and not worry about wasting materials or taking up room. I even used them for my colour charts :-)
Oh and i like the idea of burnt umber and thalo blue for rocks :-)
Illastrat - I love your limited palate. I am very much considering those for my limited palate of expensive paints. I am a HUGE fan of the earth colours so will probably throw a couple of them in. We will see.
too many paints to choose from that is the problem.
HAppy painting everyone!!
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04-10-2012, 10:31 AM
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Re: The chapter on greens
when i said dull oranges...i mean green. typo
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04-10-2012, 10:33 AM
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Re: The chapter on greens
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Originally Posted by Sarah Edgecumbe
Nods Toril, sounds good. Keep me updated on your white progress. DOn't worry about the tree, experiment and experiment. I bought a whole stack (and i mean a stack of 50) small canvas boards that were $1 each. So i can experiment and not worry about wasting materials or taking up room. I even used them for my colour charts :-)
Oh and i like the idea of burnt umber and thalo blue for rocks :-)
Illastrat - I love your limited palate. I am very much considering those for my limited palate of expensive paints. I am a HUGE fan of the earth colours so will probably throw a couple of them in. We will see.
too many paints to choose from that is the problem.
HAppy painting everyone!!
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yeah...the problem with my palette is those pest'y browns. hard to get a good brown without mudding the color.
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