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Hello, i paint with Artisan & Lukas Berlin ...

Lukas Berlin is superb creamy but Artisan is sooo stiff !


Is it possible that i make it softer without oil/thinner/... with Gum Arabic from gouache/aquarell/watercolor instead of beeswax in normal oil ?!?!


Thanks, it would help me alot ;-)
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Re: WMO mix with GumArabic ?!?

By itself, gum arabic is a dry flake or powder - http://kremerpigments.com/shopus/ind...&product=63300

It is a binder for watercolor because it's an age-old water-soluble glue. I don't think it would help Artisan. It might even lead to cracking, since it is not a flexible glue.

Probably the only way to make Artisan more like Lukas Berlin is through the use of oil or thinner. Artisan mediums and thinners offer a nice range, although they are a bit high-priced.

You can add beeswax to -- for example -- Artisan linseed by heating the wax and the oil and mixing them. There is a recipe/method here: http://www.paintmaking.com/grinding_oils.htm
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Thxs the last tip, i think, help me a lot !!! ;-)


WHAT I FORGET: i don't take pieces from GumArabic pure/straight - i have a bottle GumArabic from Schmincke
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Re: WMO mix with GumArabic ?!?

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....WHAT I FORGET: i don't take pieces from GumArabic pure/straight - i have a bottle GumArabic from Schmincke

Thanks for the thanks.

Most likely the liquid is simply gum arabic + water + biocide. (Yes, just downloaded a safety sheet - it contains a small amount of chloracetamide, a biocide/preservative).

Try letting a goodly amount, say 5 to 10 cc, dry on a piece of polyethylene film. It might take several days. I think the resulting dried material will be easy to crack apart.
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Re: WMO mix with GumArabic ?!?

Just add a little drop of drying oil like linseed or sunflower to you windsor newtons and mix thouroughly with a pallette knife Then when you run out of Windsor newtons, replace with a more buttery brand.
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Re: WMO mix with GumArabic ?!?

I use artists Walnut Oil to mix with the W/N Artisans. It not only makes the paint creamier, but also seems to stop the stickiness. I use the Artisans with Cobras and Lukas Berlins. I've got to agree with sarastar...I'm just trying to use up my Artisans as I go, so that I can change to Cobras and Lukas Berlins. Happy Painting.
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Re: WMO mix with GumArabic ?!?

Any softening that the gum arabic medium will do would be because of the water content. It would also likely make the paint more sticky and slow the drying time. If you add water or oil that restricts the use of the paint, since it makes it either leaner or fatter.
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Re: WMO mix with GumArabic ?!?

Holbein Duo linseed oil is really great to use with the artisans. Makes them a nice consistency, and since this oil is water soluble you have not risk of losing the water solubility.
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Re: WMO mix with GumArabic ?!?

Thxs all, BUT i would have a creamier-version like Lukas Berlin [also i think Cobra - i hope it's my next one !?! ;-)] WITHOUT oil,thinner,water,...

BECAUSE: i would see my stroke, like pastos -> it should retains the brush stroke completely !!!


OR give it any other way ... ???!!!???
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WHAT I NOW FOUND - is it now with GumArabic working ??!?! Hmmmm ....



3. Roberson Maroger, £8.60 for 38ml

A soft resin medium comprised of linseed oil, dammar resin*and gum arabic, Roberson’s Maroger is one of the most*popular and trusted mediums around.

Working best on a heavily primed canvas, Maroger’s prime*selling point is that is can help create the luminosity, lasting*brilliance and subtle finish that is evident in so many Old*Master works. The ratio of medium to colour needs to be*equal and the two must be thoroughly blended in order*to work effectively.



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OK, it's for normaly oil paint - but i think it's also working for WMOs !!!???!!!
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OK, it's for normaly oil paint - but i think it's also working for WMOs !!!???!!!

It will work for WMOs as long as you don't use water in the painting session itself.

There is a chance that water will still mix with your WMO, but the more medium you add, the less water-soluble it will be, and it might even get hugely sticky very rapidly. You will have to experiment.

It will also be harder to get out of your brush at clean-up time, but still should be possible with soap and water.... I think... damar is a mystery to me, as a gum/resin, and it may not be removed by soap and water, but require a hydrocarbon solvent.
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It will work for WMOs as long as you don't use water in the painting session itself.

There is a chance that water will still mix with your WMO, but the more medium you add, the less water-soluble it will be, and it might even get hugely sticky very rapidly. You will have to experiment.

It will also be harder to get out of your brush at clean-up time, but still should be possible with soap and water.... I think... damar is a mystery to me, as a gum/resin, and it may not be removed by soap and water, but require a hydrocarbon solvent.


I know what you mean ...

Today i make a Medium with 7 pcs. Artisan LinseedOil, 4 pcs. LukasBerlin Standoil (it's thicker), 1.5 pcs. Artisan Thinner, 1 or 1.5 pcs. Artisan FastDryingMedium, 3-5(?) pcs. Artisan PaintingMedium & 1 pcs. Artisan ImpastoGel - mix that all in a small bottle.


So was the Artisan & Reeves OilColors like LukasBerlin - the consistence. ;-)

BUT: the most i saw, after some time, the brush-stroke get smoother / the body wasn't there - as in the painting or as i make the stroke !!!?!!!
I think tomorrow or so then it's 'gone' ;-)


THIS PRODUCT WOULDN'T I BUY - i show this information, because it tells that GumArabic IS POSSIBLE(?!?) with [WMO]Oils !!!!!!!?!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!

Has anybody experience with it - GumArabic and/or the product above ???!!!??? :-)

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I FIND THIS INFO NOW TOO - i think that make all clear !?! ;-)



WAXES
Wax is commonly added in small amounts to paint as a stabiliser, but used in larger amounts it creates a wonderful impasto effect that dries quickly to a matt finish. Wax has been used for centuries to create softly luminous effects when painted thinly. It can be applied either as a cold paste mixed with oils or heated using the encaustic method. A thin final coat of cold wax makes a wonderful matting agent, allowing paintings to be hung in difficult light. Wax is both brittle and easy to melt, limiting its use to rigid panels unless it is combined with another ingredient.

RESINS
Painters have long used tree resins dissolved in turpentine (a varnish) to add both gloss to the paint and decrease drying time. Historically, all manner of resins were used – amber, dammar, gum arabic or mastic, for example – but most have fallen by the wayside as they have proved unstable in the long term, causing the paint film to yellow, peel or crack. Despite these known defects, resins add such amazing and subtle effects to oil paints that they continue to be used. A modern synthetic resin known as alkyd promises to solve these defects, allowing painters to recreate effects similar to Turner, without the fading and cracking that afflicts his work.



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http://www.artistsandillustrators.co...iums-explained





THXS to all, i would probe it with my mixed medium and little GumArabic in the next days ...



If any have any (new) information -> SuperB!
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I know its long time since last post...

For Info: GumArabic with WMO works also !!!

BUT with some other ingrediants - like above the Product Maroger:
• mixed with my CREAMY (in that is Oil, FastDrying, etc...)

So its have a binding & dry complete oil-like !!!?!!!

P.S.: the last Pictures with CREAMY+GumArabic painted is nearly ~4 & 6 Months ---> wonderful dry & no problems (like cracking & similar) ;-)


BUT the best - momently - is my new medium CREAMYmc BASIS with MethylCellulose ... - its a thinner, gel, glazing & a impasto medium
FOR ALL MEDIUMS -> Acrylic, Oil/WMO, Gouache ... !!! ... Alkyd ?!? (but should also)

Look here at WC/WMO "Thicker/Gel - MethylCellulose" or my page for the Reciptes ... - and test it or make your own Mediums ;-)
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