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Old 12-15-2010, 10:35 AM
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Arrow Welcome to the Pastel Forum + what you need to know - please read!

Welcome to the Pastel Forum!

The current Moderators are
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Stapeliad (Jess) & Watergirl( Karen).
The current Guides are - DAK723 (Don), Allydoodle (Chris) & Donna T
We welcome the submission of all Pastel paintings or drawings, as this is a media based forum.

Apart from the user agreement, there aren't very many rules here...

To ensure your painting or drawing doesn’t get pushed over into the next page too quickly, we divided the forum into two main sections in which you can post …the Talk Section if you want to chat about any pastel related topics…[Add (Off topic) if the talk is not related to pastel, so that those who don't want to view non pastel talk will not be confused]

And for discussion of your painting or drawing - we have the Studio which also doubles as a gallery. Here you can put your WIPs (Work in progress), work that’s finished but you’d like comments on…or even a Critique (C&C) For those of you who like to critique,please only do so if a critique is asked for by the original paster....Usually shortened to C&C ...there are some excellent guidelines on critiquing, by former moderators, here

But we will have to move any talk only posts back to the talk section.

Other sections in the Pastel forum:

Soft Pastel hall of fame - Threads of inspiration, accomplishment and Best of the Best!

Soft Pastel Archives - Miscellaneous threads of importance.

Soft Pastel Learning Center - threads that teach you about techniques and show you how to's, including projects and classrooms.

WIP's (works in progress)

Materials - various materials for pastel artists.


Remember....if you post a comment in someone else's thread....the likelihood is they will reciprocate in yours....

If in future you can't find one of your threads, click on your username/ view profile/view either all posts or all threads posted by you...that is the quickest way to find it -


Just ensure you post the painting or drawing you do as ONE thread....do not post a WIP + A Finished version....Just post your WIP - then PM the Moderator, (with the url of your thread) and ask them to add FINISHED to your WIP (or use the red triangle)...that way, you alert those who have already subscribed to your thread, that it's finished...whereas if you post them separately, they may not get to know about it.

There is no need to add ‘updated’ to your work, because those subscribed to you thread will usually informed of updates…plus your post will rise to the top of the forum!


Certain questions are asked frequently in every forum...so before you ask again...just check it hasn't been asked before...you can search this forum like this... click on the search this forum button

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Re: Welcome to the Pastel Forum + what you need to know - please read!

Picture not uploading? Here's a workaround you can try if it happens again:

If the image doesn't return when you use the mountain icon, right click the image and select "copy image location" and paste this into your post surrounding it with [IMG] tag at the start and [/IMG] tag at the end with no spaces.
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Re: Welcome to the Pastel Forum + what you need to know - please read!

Can't browse the Learning Centre? Excellent advice and directions here.
Looking for Don's excellent SPOTLIGHT threads....find them in the Learning Centre


If you have materials you need to get rid of/ sell ect in the Swap Shop
You may mention here that you have items listed in the Swap shop....HOWEVER, this does not mean you can advertise the items in this forum. Read the user-agreement to make sure.
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When setting up a pastel project, after you've discussed it with a guide or moderator, remember to point the discussion thread to Soft Pastels Talk forum, not PASTEL - this is a closed, read only area. Soft Pastels Talk is the discussion area, and is to be found well below Pastels, for some reason!
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Re: Welcome to the Pastel Forum + what you need to know - please read!

Courtesy of Painterbear & Yorky (Admin)

Since WetCanvas is an international forum with members from all around the globe, in the interests of readability, we ask that members use English or include an English translation of their message in their posts. For the same reason, abbreviations that are used for texting messages are not recommended in posts as they could be confusing, especially to non-English readers.

There are several online translation sites, and whilst not perfect they do allow members to understand your post much better. Here are a few:

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For those who are interested in Pan Pastels there is a very informative and helpful thread here. Feel free to join in and share your experiences - have you tried them? Great fun with lots of techniques discussed.
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Rating a thread....for those threads you find particularly informative! I really helps those members who like to do a quick search for the good threads in a forum. Remember, it takes a few people to rate the thread before it shows up as rated, so if you really like the thread - show it!

How to rate a thread


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Using the Article Index can be a little trying when you get so far into an article but can't get any further....one of our members said - but by adding /pagex.php to the end of the url I was able to progress through the article, x being the next page number. We've tried it, and it works!
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How the RIL and Image Uploader work. Courtesy of the RIL moderators


The Uploader allows us to choose the category and sub-category most suited to the image e.g.
Category: Animals > sub-category Birds … and then further subs for specific types of birds.

NB. The first 'Category' to show is 'Our Contributors' but this is not a category for uploading images; uploads here will then need to be moved to more suitable places!

The Uploader then asks for keywords.

Search works by using keywords and if an image is uploaded and no keywords are included then, by default, the title becomes the keyword. You can see the difficulty if an image is uploaded without a title or merely with an image number!
Some titles may be meaningless to searchers – I doubt anyone but the owner would look for ‘Tiddles’?! We don't recommend using pets' names as keywords but if you do want to use a pet's name, then we encourage you to include other descriptive keywords (i.e., orange tabby furry).

Hence the importance of keywords.

Keywords should be chosen to best describe the image – simple ones like the object, the colour, texture, light, season, mood etc.

You may find you need a ‘double-barrelled’ word to describe an image, like ‘spotted petals’ but search would only pick up a single word 'spotted' or 'petal'; therefore, hyphenate the words to become ‘spotted-petals’ and it makes a single unit.

You also may want to identify images for a specific event – we do this for the WDEs in the All Media Arts Events forum and there are many challenges and groupings throughout the site where this may apply. We ask you then, please, to arrange your keywords:

a) for members of WC not involved in the event
b) for the specific event (phrase hyphenated)

e.g An image of a Landscape for the WDE of April 17th 2015 may have keywords thus:
clouds mountains sunlight river rocks WDE-April-2015

NB There should be no punctuation marks between keywords, spaces only please.

The words to be identified as a unit are hyphenated; the other keywords are so other members of WC can find such a still life image irrespective of any event.
(Search does not recognise 3-letter words or less!)

By the way...there are limits....File Sizes: The maximum file size is 3.5MB.
Minimum file size we accept is 100kb.


If you need any help at all, Judy and I are usually available via PM!

Further information about the RIL can be found in the Reference Image Library Requests and Support forum and in the sticky thread The New Reference Image Library- helpful information. – near the top of the forum page.
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Just a bit about copyright..from a WC archived discussion....From the FAQ at the US Copyright Office
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http://www.lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/


How much of someone else's work can I use without getting permission?

Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentages of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances. See Circular 21 and FL 102.

How much do I have to change in my own work to make a new claim of copyright?

You may make a new claim in your work if the changes are substantial and creative -- something more than just editorial changes or minor changes. This would qualify as a new derivative work. For instance, simply making spelling corrections throughout a work does not warrant a new registration -- adding an additional chapter would. See Circular 14 for further information.


How much do I have to change in order to claim copyright in someone else's work?

Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create a new version of that work. Accordingly, you cannot claim copyright to another's work, no matter how much you change it, unless you have the owner's consent. See Circular 14.



From their Circular 14:



DERIVATIVE WORKS

A “derivative work,” that is, a work that is based on (or derived from) one or more already existing works, is copy-rightable
if it includes what the copyright law calls an “original work of authorship.” Derivative works, also known as “new versions,” include such works as translations, musical arrangements, dramatizations, fictionalizations, art reproductions,
and condensations. Any work in which the editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications
represent, as a whole, an original work of authorship is a “derivative work” or “new version.” A typical example of a derivative work received for registration in the Copyright Office is one that is primarily a new work but incorporates some previously published material. This previously published material makes the work a derivative work under the copyright law.
To be copyrightable, a derivative work must be different enough from the original to be regarded as a “new work” or must contain a substantial amount of new material. Making
minor changes or additions of little substance to a preexisting work will not qualify the work as a new version for copyright purposes. The new material must be original and copyrightable in itself. Titles, short phrases, and format, for example, are not copyrightable.

EXAMPLES OF DERIVATIVE WORKS

The following examples show some of the many different types of derivative works:

Television drama (based on a novel)
Motion picture (based on a play)
Sculpture (based on a drawing)
Drawing (based on a photograph)
Book of maps (based on public domain maps with some new maps)
Lithograph (based on a painting)

COPYRIGHT PROTECTION IN A DERIVATIVE WORK

The copyright in a derivative work covers only the additions, changes, or other new material appearing for the first time in the work. It does not extend to any preexisting
material and does not imply a copyright in that material.

One cannot extend the length of protection for a copyrighted work by creating a derivative work. A work that has fallen in the public domain, that is, which is no longer protected by copyright, may be used for a derivative work, but the copyright in the derivative work will not restore the
copyright of the public domain material. Neither will it prevent anyone else from using the same public domain work for
another derivative work. In any case where a protected work is used unlawfully,
that is, without the permission of the owner of copyright, copyright will not be extended to the illegally used part.

WHO MAY PREPARE A DERIVATIVE WORK?

Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work. The owner is generally the author or someone who has obtained rights from the author.



In short, I think the answer is "no". You can get away with inspiration, and probably a photo as a reference for detail, but just the act of making a painting instead of the photo isn't enough to move out of the "derivative work" category. And to make a derivative work, you need the permission of the holder of the original copyright.

If push came to shove, it's going to be a matter for lawyers and courts to decide, because the rules are inherently fuzzy.

Another handy site with a good summary of copyright law:

http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/CopyVis.htm


As discussed earlier, copyright gives its owner the exclusive right, for example, to reproduce protected subject matter (such things as ideas and facts being excluded). Sometimes a question arises as to whether a second, similar work was copied or independently created. If the person creating a second work had access to the original work and the works are virtually identical, copying is likely to be presumed even if the chance of access is remote.

When an artist sells copyright in a work, however, access is obviously not an issue if the same artist later executes a similar work. To avoid problems, it is important that the artist and purchaser of the copyright reach clear agreement about such matters. It is important that artists understand that a work does not have to be identical to infringe copyright in an earlier one. The legal test of infringement is "substantial similarity" -- which translates (roughly) into whether an ordinary observer would recognize a work as copied in whole or in part from an earlier one.

In a similar vein, artists occasionally ask if it is OK to base a painting on, for example, a magazine photograph -- even though most appreciate that turning a photograph (or some part of it) into postcards would infringe copyright. Such questions are not easy to answer. First, an artist is unlikely to be sued for using a relatively small element from another work -- particularly if it used only for reference and is not copied in detail. (One who photographs a tropical scene does not get exclusive rights to all palm trees that might vaguely resemble those depicted there.)
henrik
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UK laws and laws of other countries can differ...but it's basically the same...if you copy an image/photo that YOU didn't make...get the PHOTOGRAPHER'S PERMISSION TO USE IT....before you open yourself liable to compensate the copyright holder....and ALWAYS, when you have permission to use it, CREDIT THE PHOTOGRAPHER or ARTIST.
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