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sundiver
04-01-2003, 08:42 PM
A new project has been announced in the WetCanvas! project system!

Title: April Monthly Pastels Project
Project Leader: sundiver
Relative Difficulty: Irrelevant
Type Restrictions: Any Type
Medium: Pastels
Subject: Not Applicable
Days open for signups: Always
Maximum participants allowed: Unlimited

Description:

Title: In and Out of Your Comfort Zone!

When I signed up to host this month's project, our Forum Guide, KarenU, asked me to focus on a technique-based theme. So, here's what we came up with:

Participants will make two paintings of the same (or similar) subject using two noticeably different techniques.

With one painting you can stay in your comfort zone; with the other you should try some new or less-comfortable technique.

Some suggestions:

Blended Color versus Broken Color
Painterly Style versus Realistic Style
Complementary Underpainting versus No Underpainting

If you use the same subject for both paintings you can draw it first on sketch or tracing paper, then transfer it to the two paintings.

There's a variety of images and hopefully something for everyone. So grab those pastels and let's get experimenting!


Additional Information:

For more information on the project: Click here! (http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/browse_details.php?proj_id=397)

Remember, in order to help keep the discussions on projects organized, you should post your questions, suggestions, and comments on submitted work here in this thread. By doing this, we allow other non-project efforts to not get "pushed down" by a swarm of project-related threads.

Dark_Shades
04-02-2003, 07:42 AM
this looks a great project sundiver....... wonderful images too ...... cant wait to get started :D

Mikki Petersen
04-02-2003, 10:21 AM
I'm in! Boy, sundiver, the hardest part of this project will be selecting which of these images to tackle. What a great selection of photos!

gredelin
04-03-2003, 11:25 AM
Are these your own, photos, Wendy?
Who's the girl playing guitar?
/Gunilla

angeline
04-03-2003, 12:30 PM
Ok i'm in......how about a blended soft pastel and a dash type oil pastel would that count?........never done a pic by dashes before!
Now to choose a pic.:rolleyes:

sundiver
04-03-2003, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by gredelin
Are these your own, photos, Wendy?
Who's the girl playing guitar?
/Gunilla

Yes, I should have mentioned that. WC members have my permission to make art from my images and to sell the results, but not to copyright the images themselves. I think that's how "they" word it.
The guitar-player is my 16-year-old, whose WC username is julsiebear. Her art thing is pet portraits.

angeline, sounds like a great idea!

sundiver
04-04-2003, 09:57 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20177

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/progress/12116/tn_Pianokeys.jpg

Great start, Dawn!

sundiver
04-05-2003, 01:52 PM
Here's another photo ref that somehow didn't make it into the project..file was slightly too big, I think. Anyway, it's just a woodpile but I liked it.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2003/6393-woodpile_frnt.JPG

angeline
04-06-2003, 03:49 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20237

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/progress/6393/tn_op_roses_on_blk.jpg

Wow looks fab!you have captured the roses beautifully.

angeline
04-07-2003, 02:45 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20177

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/progress/12116/tn_Pianokeys.jpg

Dawn I love the way you have done this so far.

sundiver
04-07-2003, 05:03 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20301

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/progress/19726/tn_roses1.jpg


Beautiful! I especially like the color on the upper left rose.

Dark_Shades
04-07-2003, 05:07 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20301

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/progress/19726/tn_roses1.jpg

ohhhhh these are lovely angeline...... well done :clap:

rd2ruin
04-07-2003, 09:11 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20270

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/6393/tn_Aprprojoprosesfinal.jpg

I like the way these came out. I noticed you were wondering about adding more pastel to it, but I think there's something to be said for the black paper coming through. It lets your eyes fill in the rest of the pedals.

Cheers!
- Greg

sundiver
04-08-2003, 03:32 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20305

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/17338/tn_tnclay.jpg

I like them both, and particularly like the sketchy, spontaneous-looking quality of the second one. :)

E-J
04-09-2003, 07:55 AM
hi Wendy... just wondering: are we supposed to stick to using the 'official' reference photos for this project or is it acceptable to use a different subject entirely?

rd2ruin
04-09-2003, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by E-J
hi Wendy... just wondering: are we supposed to stick to using the 'official' reference photos for this project or is it acceptable to use a different subject entirely?

Oh, yeah ... ummm ... I didn't even check that myself LOL

I just had this picture a friend of mine took and was so interested in the composition that I was dying for a reason to actually draw it :)

Cheers!
- Greg

Dark_Shades
04-09-2003, 11:52 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20270

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/6393/tn_Aprprojoprosesfinal.jpg

Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20271

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/6393/tn_comprosewip3.jpg

Well done Sundiver.... you are the first to complete the double
:clap: ..... I think my favourite has to be the one with the underpainting...... what did that involve?..... and was it on the same paper as the first one ....... I really like how this turned out, especially the lemon roses

sundiver
04-09-2003, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by E-J
hi Wendy... just wondering: are we supposed to stick to using the 'official' reference photos for this project or is it acceptable to use a different subject entirely?

I don't think the rules have to be very strict for these monthly projects unless stressed by the project host. The main thing is supposed to be a motivation to get us all going. I just tried to provide a variety of images that weren't copyright by someone else (e.g.off the 'net) , and the main theme here is to do some experimenting!

meowmeow
04-11-2003, 11:20 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20270

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/6393/tn_Aprprojoprosesfinal.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/6393/tn_comprosewip3.jpg

Neat! Actually I like them both. The one with the underpainting looks more "polished" and I can see where a lot of people would prefer it. However, I always love black paper showing through and I really like the first one too. Amazing, but I would have to say it is like comparing apples and oranges....and I like them both!

Sandy

meowmeow
04-11-2003, 11:23 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20305

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/17338/tn_tnclay.jpg

These are both good too! I like the bottom one best I think. It has a real loose feel to it...very free easy and it looks like you were having fun with it! I don't mean it was easy but it is how it feels. :D

Sandy

meowmeow
04-11-2003, 11:26 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20177

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/progress/12116/tn_Pianokeys.jpg

Hmmmmm yourself! :D I like this! You could almost play those piano keys! I'd like to see an update if you did anymore with it.
Then again, I know what it is like if you are not liking something. Maybe set it aside and try again later. But I think it has potential.


Sandy

meowmeow
04-11-2003, 11:27 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20301

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/progress/19726/tn_roses1.jpg

Good start here....lots of nice lights and darks. Let's see what happens when you add a little Schminke!


Sandy

guilliame
04-14-2003, 06:57 PM
Well i'm in,first of all my apologies to the young girl playing the guitar there is absolutely no likeness whatever i know the face was half turned and partially obscured by her hair but that doesn't excuse the fact that my drawing looks more male than female,anyway there is no time limit on this so hopefully i'll get around to it:D

sundiver
04-14-2003, 08:49 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20631

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/progress/6932/tn_guitarist0001.gif

Great start, Guill! Yeah, I messed up her face, too. I've tried several portraits of her and usually manage to break her nose and/or make her crosseyed.I think in your case it's the size of the face or head that is off. The back of the head seems fine, but the face part could be smaller.
I like the soft warm light you have. Overall it has a nice atmosphere.

guilliame
04-15-2003, 06:02 AM
Sundiver,yes i agree i have to make the face smaller the actual size of the painting is only 6x4 so its only a small area i'll erase and have to use cp or pastel pencil as i find it difficult to work with pastel stick:D all i kept thinking about was omg it looks more like neil young than a young girl.:o

ginatec
04-20-2003, 04:36 PM
I would love to sign up for this project...trouble is I am struggling to learn pastels and I am not sure about one technique yet ( I don't think I do it correctly). You have chosen a lovely selection of photos, I adore the girl with the guitar.

mhimeswc
04-21-2003, 02:52 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Apr-2003/20035-PastelProject.jpg
I'm not sure what the procedure for posting in this thread is. I entered this painting in the pastel project file. The object was to paint the subject two ways, the second way being a method that was out of your comfort zone. Well.....since I've been painting in pastel for only about a week and a half now, EVERYTHING is out of my comfort zone :-) .

This is my first painting other than the exercises in Jackie's book. I used a lot of blending in it, because the subject looked like it should be blended, and because I needed practice in that method. Can someone suggest another method that a total beginner could use on this (for the second version) without being completely over my head? Any comments about this one would be appreciated also.

I used Winsor Newton soft pastels (the only ones I have right now) and had a little difficulty making thin lines for the weeds and the tree branches, and even the small ducks. Do I need to sharpen the "point" somehow to do this properly?

Michelle

ginatec
04-21-2003, 02:57 PM
Michelle this is great...love the reeds in the forground. You have put me to shame, I have been using Pastels a few weeks now and no way am I as sood as you! Well done:clap:

mhimeswc
04-21-2003, 03:06 PM
Gina,
I doubt that I am better than you, I just studied the project photos and picked the only one that I thought I might have a chance of doing. This one wasn't hard, except for the ducks. Try it, I'll bet you can do it too.

Michelle

Dark_Shades
04-21-2003, 03:42 PM
You have done a lovely job Mhim

ginatec
04-21-2003, 03:43 PM
HiMichelle

Well... as I said earlier in the thread...I am not sure of one technique yet and until I can buy a book I can't do another, all I can think is that maybe one is smoothing the pastel into the paper and the other is with the lines showing. Does that sound right to you? :)

Dark_Shades
04-21-2003, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by meowmeow
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20177

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/progress/12116/tn_Pianokeys.jpg

Hmmmmm yourself! :D I like this! You could almost play those piano keys! I'd like to see an update if you did anymore with it.
Then again, I know what it is like if you are not liking something. Maybe set it aside and try again later. But I think it has potential.


Sandy

Thanks Sandy..... Im finding this very difficult for some reason..... so Ive left it on the side, where I see it each day :p lol

sundiver
04-22-2003, 07:17 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20892

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/20035/tn_PastelProject.jpg

This is so lovely! For someone "just starting out" you obviously have a feel for this medium.
The part about trying two methods doesn't have to be strictly adhered to. The idea was to get people experimenting, just for fun, whatever the results.
One simple difference would be to use dark paper, or a complementary paper color like orange, for another version. Or a crosshatch method, with crisscrossing instead of blending. Or if you've been doing the Van Gogh exercise in Jackie's book, try it Van Gogh style, with lots of thick swirls!
I did Julie w/guitar in oil pastel on black, now have to figure what to do for my other version. I'm going to pour through Jackie's book myself for ideas.
The Pastel Book by Bill Creevy has lots of ideas for experimenting with techniques; I think it's his book that influenced Karen and I to come up with this theme.
So anyway, your first one is a success, don't worry about the experimental one (if you do one)- just have fun with it!
Wendy

sundiver
04-22-2003, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by ginatec
HiMichelleWell... as I said earlier in the thread...I am not sure of one technique yet and until I can buy a book I can't do another, all I can think is that maybe one is smoothing the pastel into the paper and the other is with the lines showing. Does that sound right to you? :)

That sounds great!
(Why not just do one any way you feel like, then after that decide what to do for the second one? Then other people can give you suggestions if you ask for them.)

angeline
04-22-2003, 01:08 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20892

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/20035/tn_PastelProject.jpg

This is really nice.........i was considering this pic but didn't think i could do it justice!
Got my schminkes now so I can work on my roses! Yeah!

mhimeswc
04-22-2003, 05:21 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20945

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/20035/tn_WinterPond2.jpg

Well, here's my second painting of the same subject. It looks slightly different, I didn't use any blending on this one, and tried to do it in "broken color", but it was not a subject that worked well in that technique. I tried to make the strokes go in the direction of water, and it ended up looking pretty similar to the blended one. All in all, I like the first one better.

Michelle

sundiver
04-22-2003, 09:23 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20945

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/20035/tn_WinterPond2.jpg

The first one is awesome, but this one has a nice quality of its own..well done! :clap:

mhimeswc
04-30-2003, 02:09 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=21200

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/19725/tn_April_Project_3.jpg

The reds and greens on these are wonderful! Great job on the folds in the cloth too. The peppers are bright, vibrant, and look good enough to eat. How did you like working with the oil pastels as opposed to your regular ones?

Michelle

Dark_Shades
04-30-2003, 03:11 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=21200

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/19725/tn_April_Project_3.jpg

Ohhhh you show off lol Roni, you have done two AND managed to submit your work........ excellent...... both are great....... I especially love the material...... and dont the reds and greens look great on it.....

good uns

butterfly
04-30-2003, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by mhimeswc
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=21200

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/19725/tn_April_Project_3.jpg

The reds and greens on these are wonderful! Great job on the folds in the cloth too. The peppers are bright, vibrant, and look good enough to eat. How did you like working with the oil pastels as opposed to your regular ones?

Michelle

Thank you Michelle ... I really enjoyed working with the OP's , but because I don't have anything but a beginner set I struggled with the colors, but the vibrance of the colors you can achieve reminded me of working with oils from the tube ... now I have to go out and buy a real nice set of OP's ... any suggestions? The CrayPas were almost like Crayola Crayons !?!

Butterfly/Roni

butterfly
04-30-2003, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Dark_Shades

Ohhhh you show off lol Roni, you have done two AND managed to submit your work........ excellent...... both are great....... I especially love the material...... and dont the reds and greens look great on it.....

good uns [/B]

Dawn ... If you notice that's all I have done to your MANY and they are rather small 9"x12" maybe that is why and once you have drawn one the other is easier ... just the drawing part ... stupid me did the NuPastels first so I couldn't put tracing paper over it and copy for the OP drawing ... but then again the NuPastels are my "comfort zone".

You are right about the material I did love the look of it and the contrast of the colors on it ... that's why I chose the "Red Peppers" ... I was drawn to the subject matter.

Thanks for your kind comments (as always).

Roni

butterfly
05-01-2003, 01:18 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20271

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/6393/tn_comprosewip3.jpg

Sundiver ... definitely love this one with the under painting ...
great job the colors are so rich and "solidified" for lack of a word to express myself. I really like it!
Butterfly/Roni

butterfly
05-01-2003, 01:27 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20945

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/20035/tn_WinterPond2.jpg

I like both of your pictures. My interpretation of "broken color" is that you use three or more colors together to create a shadow, distinguish a shape, etc. without blending them, but someone else has to help here ... my interpretation might be wrong.

I keep going back and forth between both of your pictures and I can't decide which one I like better so I will have to say, "I LIKE BOTH OF THEM EQUALLY".

Butterfly/Roni

butterfly
05-01-2003, 01:32 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=21174

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/12381/tn_5w_237.jpg

Redsy: Wow, didn't see this before ... apparently we picked the same subject ... can't wait to see what you do for the second picture ... which one was this? I'm guessing,from your comment that this one was something new are you going to paint one in your "comfort zone" style?

Butterfly/Roni

butterfly
05-01-2003, 01:39 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20305

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/17338/tn_tnclay.jpg

rd ... interested in knowing what you thought of the process you used with the alcohol, was it on OP or chalk type? Would you use it again?
Butterfly/Roni

Dark_Shades
05-10-2003, 01:54 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=21748

4.4.03

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/progress/12116/tn_Pianokeys.jpg

its been nearly a month since I worked on this...... apologies Sundiver...... thought I was finished at least with this one, but as the norm. up on the computer you see so many things to change -- need to 'tinker with the keys' : )
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/progress/12116/tn_Rose_on_Keyboard.jpg

Dark_Shades
05-10-2003, 01:59 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20305

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/17338/tn_tnclay.jpg

which did/do you prefer Greg....... must confess I like the top one

Dark_Shades
05-10-2003, 02:02 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=21685

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/19726/tn_Nude.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=21686

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/19726/tn_Soft_nude.jpg

nice works ang..... you are good with nudes hee hee ...... did you trace your images....... I think I actually like the bolder colours

nice works

Dark_Shades
05-10-2003, 02:04 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20945

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/20035/tn_WinterPond2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=20892

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/20035/tn_PastelProject.jpg

I cant make up my mind which one I like best....... both are great

.... well done to you

Dark_Shades
05-10-2003, 02:08 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=21174

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/12381/tn_5w_237.jpg

Excellent Redsy....... beautiful Reds.......... 15 Mins!!!! ..... eeeee gods!! you are bionic lol

angeline
05-11-2003, 01:00 PM
DS No I didn't trace them........the oil is about 12" by 9 and the soft is 16" by 14. Now i see them both on here like that I think i prefer the oil too!........lol I can also see differences in the shading......I think i will have to fix that shoulder on the left of the soft one now!

ginatec
05-11-2003, 05:16 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=21685

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/19726/tn_Nude.jpg

Wow Angeline this is a fantastic painting...I love it!:clap:

sundiver
06-01-2003, 02:20 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=21686

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/19726/tn_Soft_nude.jpg

I think this one's my favourite, but I like how dramatic the o.p.s make the other one too!

sundiver
06-01-2003, 02:23 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=21200

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/19725/tn_April_Project_3.jpg

Both of these are awesome! Did you get the Cray-Pas Specialist or Expressionist. I haven't tried the Specialists and am wondering how they are.

sundiver
06-01-2003, 02:25 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=21174

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/12381/tn_5w_237.jpg

Fifteen minutes!?!?
How many cups of coffee did you have first? :D This is wild and wonderful.

sundiver
06-01-2003, 02:26 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=22582

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/6393/tn_jguitarsoftpstls.jpg

Well, it's 2 months late, but I finally finished the second part . Both of them were out of my comfort zone!

ginatec
06-01-2003, 06:09 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/image_viewer.php?entry_id=22582

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/397/completed/6393/tn_jguitarsoftpstls.jpg

Wow I recognise this one..it's Julie! You have done a great job, it's beautiful...congratulations:clap: