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robinsn
03-15-2000, 08:40 PM
I'm not sure where to go from here with this painting, so I thought I'd solicit opinions!

This is a life-sized male lion, oil on 24x36 canvas. Some details are missing from this photo, but not too much. It's fairly roughly rendered and I had planned to go back into each area and detail it for realism, but now I'm not sure I want to do that. The background above the lion has not been done yet, haven't decided whether to just make it dark, sort of like it is now, or to put some real background. What do you think?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/robinsn_lion.jpg

Thanks again!

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-Randy

llis
03-15-2000, 09:28 PM
Wow Randy, I really like this piece. I think the background would look good darker right above his head on the right side of the painting (the lions left). I like the red tone that you have on the left of the painting at the top. One thing that I really like is the little splash of color right below his left ear. I like it!!

janet
03-15-2000, 11:07 PM
His face caught my attention and he is
surely gorgeous! I really like this
painting the way it is. The brush strokes on his mane were nicely done. overall, I really
like this painting as it is. nice work!

bruin70
03-16-2000, 12:28 AM
couple of things randy,,,,the slope of the horizon mirrors the top of the lion a bit too much. i was also going to point out that the dark area of the mane is very similiar to the sky color,,,but then you may want that kind of fade. the positioning of the legs, in particular, the lion's right. is almost a standing position,,,while the lion, in fact , looks to be resting. i would reposition the right leg stretched and along the same line as the body to make it appear as though the lion is stretched out. also, re: the leg, while ok to show rim light, you don't show the full leg, so it carries no volume there. it also appears that you haloed the mane because it was too close in value to the body. i would simply lighten the body. it will sett off the mane/head and pop the lion better.

bruin70
03-16-2000, 12:45 AM
r,,,when i viewed your piece upside down i noticed the white parts to not fit well into the painting. what do you think? ....milt

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/robinsn_lionup.jpg

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robinsn
03-16-2000, 02:15 AM
Milt's comments have shown several areas of weakness, since the position of the lion was misinterpreted. The lion is in fact walking and turning towards us and not resting. To be specific, he was pacing, and this is catching him in the turn.

The entire area above the lion is only part of the underpainting. I have not attempted any background as yet, so what looks like a horizon is only where the darker underpaint (painted darker to allow painting the lion against it) meets the lighter original underpainting.

And so knowing this, Milt, what makes the lion look like it's resting and not walking as it should?

On the halo effect, can you explain exactly what you mean? Are you saying I lighted the body close to the mane and not the rest of the body? Or lightened the mane on the edges? The body colors were supposed to show the bend as the lion is bent in his turn.

RE: the white. One of the things I was wondering what people would think of it. The white is definitely stark and if I were going back to make a realism painting, I would not have it that stark. It was there for glazing at a later stage, but I decided I liked the starkness. What do you think?

Thanks, Llis and Janet, for your comments. That is very helpful!

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-Randy

bruin70
03-16-2000, 03:54 AM
it was probably the "horizontalness" of the body that made me assume the lion was resting. since it's not, my suggestion would be to show the far hind leg. there seems to be something going on there already. also that the front legs are not very visible probably gave me the idea of the lion resting. the lion is a very horizontal pose. halo effect is when you lighten an area around another to differentiate it. not a bad thing in and of itself, if you do it subtley. misused, it merely adds an unnecessary value to the back area. in this case, the body now has three very distinguishable values that break up the planes. if you like the whiteness, then that's all that matters.
now that i know you're attempt is more "design/graphic" than realistic, i think the eyes and mane are certainly that, but the body area is a realistic treatment,,,and the legs are realistically treated in that you tried to show more 3d turn of form(side light on the leg turning into shadow) than the graphic statement you made with the eyes....milt
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oleCC
03-16-2000, 08:29 AM
Hi Robinson...I agree with Milt about that back leg. If it were a bit more visable I think it would substantiate the movement of the lion. This is really lovely, and I am
one of those that love detail, so of course I would encourage you to continue with that.
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Gisela
03-16-2000, 07:37 PM
Ah Randy,
The lioness has a mate!! I also think the white is a bit too strong. He's a beauty though.

Gisela

dzspag
03-19-2000, 06:34 PM
hi randy...nice start. I agree with Bruin, the legs need a little definition. I was mostly drawn to the starkness of the white though...a little too bright all across. If you want to leave some areas white, then cool some so that they move with the skin. Also..the mane is so well done that it is too perfect...you need to mess it up a bit...after all...this guy is in the wild. Some parts need to be out of place.

robinsn
03-13-2001, 07:41 PM
I finally got around to finishing up my lion. I'd like to hear anyone's critique. This is a different technique than I've used before. I'm still trying different things trying to find my niche.

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Cap
03-14-2001, 09:12 AM
The toned down white works. The expression on his face is great! it says he just turned
to check something out.
I like the background! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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robinsn
03-14-2001, 08:16 PM
Cap, Thanks for your comments! It helps a lot! Especially the comment about the background. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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henrik
03-15-2001, 03:49 AM
Big improvement! I like the background too.
Here is an edited version to show two things that I think improves the composition.
<IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Mar-2001/lglion-hl1.jpg" border=0>

I broke up the background so that the lion covers part of the skyline - I think this sets the background better (it was sort of outlining the lions head and looked as a separate area).
The design elements work in creating a 'sliding down towards our left feeling' (the mountain skyline, the lion's back and head, and the clouds work together in pushing us towards the left edge and there is nothing there to turn us back). The "down to the left" is also emphasized by the lion looking in the same direction (we look in the direction someone in an image is looking). Here is an image to show this:
<IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Mar-2001/lglion-hl2.jpg" border=0>

I did not know quite how to solve this, but I think that raising the back of the lion and making it a bit curved at least to some extent balances the line elements and serves at least as a compositional stop.

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robinsn
03-15-2001, 08:09 AM
Henrik - very good points! I especially like the effect of the head breaking up the horizon. I wish I'd thought of that earlier. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

What about the mountains coming down from the left instead of the lion's back going up? See below (digital mod). I also put the smallest little dip in the lion's back.
Do you think that works?
<IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Mar-2001/lgliont.jpg" border=0>

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henrik
03-15-2001, 05:40 PM
That is better than the original. Look at it from a pure abstract compositional view...
One idea is to raise the left mountain even higher... There is something about the back and the way it lines up with the right mountain - I think that is why I liked a different/curved end on the back.

This is what it looks like to me in the abstract (with mountain even higher).
<IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Mar-2001/lgliont-hl1.jpg" border=0>

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