Sessions and Outline of Up and Coming Lessons

[LarrySeiler]

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Here is a list of the first lessons that will run thru November the 1st, beginning October the 4th at 7pm EST...

I.Composition for the Painter

II.120 Paintings- (the advantages of one hour dailies)

III.From the Literal to the Suggestive- Painterly Realism
* the place of the Gesture in painting
* advantages of the limited palette
* developing a color language
* building on deliberate purposeful brushwork

IV.Imbuing Harmony and Unity With Undertones

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The outline of the first webinar "Composition For the Painter" as follows-

Composition for the Painter- Larry Seiler

Premise…
The modern enculturated eye routinely comes to a determination when to tune in, when to tune out. The challenge of the artist to consider the accumulated available knowledge we have of visual communication in a commercial/aesthetic modern age, and make use of that to advance interest in their own work. Avoid shooting ourselves (metaphorically) in the foot!

I. Seven Art Principles
a) Balance
b) Contrast
c) Gradation
d) Harmony
e) Variation
f) Dominance
g) Unity

II. Symmetry & Asymmetry Visual Balance
a) Positive & negative elements
b) Over-busyness (implement 2/3’s rule)
c) Organizing parts to favor asymmetry

III. Traditional Classic Composing TYPES
a) Circle ordering
b) S’ ordering
c) Fulcrum (asymmetrical)

IV. Focal Points (Rule of Thirds) to Direct Eye
a) Establish point of interest
b) Manipulate elements/narrative to support

V. Questions/Answers

hope you'll join in... :)

[Journeyman]

I’ve picked up so much from you over the years on WC Larry it’s going to be a treat sitting in with you live.
Thanks for taking this on :wave: Dave

[LarrySeiler]

you bet, Dave...looking forward to how this rolls out and progesses.. :)

[tuzigoot]

I'll be there!
from a former Fond du Lac girl....

[LarrySeiler]

will be nice having you along, Linda... :)

[*Deirdre*]

I'm in as well Larry, even though I'm in the UK...will have to stay up late...but I'm sure it's worth it!:D

[LarrySeiler]

you folks are amazing...looking forward to it, Deirdre.... :wave:

[Barbara01]

I've signed up as well and am looking forward to the classes. I learned a good deal from Johannes and value the opportunity to learn from experienced painters that aren't teaching the postmodern material that is so prevalent in art schools these days. I really enjoyed looking at your work in your other thread and especially love your landscapes but your digital work is amazing as well. I'm trying to learn Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop in the hopes for taking a few graphic design classes next year, and have to say that it sure is challenging to learn how to work in digital and vector formats.

[LarrySeiler]

thanks Barbara...
digital is stretching for me...but having fun with it. The learning curve is a good place to be...

we'll see ya in class!! :)

[Eddypus1]

Thanks for the outline. I'll be joining in on tuesday. Can hardly wait!:clap:

[DLT]

I am so looking forward to this! Thank you for teaching.

[LarrySeiler]

glad to have ya... :thumbsup:

[carol_lee]

Count me in!!!! With lots of coffee to keep my head straight and toothpicks to keep my eyes open :)

[LarrySeiler]

That's enthusiasm I like, Carol...

[Amandine]

Still 2 days before we start. Ah ! waiting ... waiting ... :wave:

[LarrySeiler]

have been spending the morning, tweaking the first one. And working on the second...the ole tension and excitement in the stomach tells me I'm in the batter's warmup box...should be fun!

[*Deirdre*]

10.30 pm here....and waiting for the start at midnight! ( Got a late pass...heh heh!:evil: ):D

[LarrySeiler]

settin' up shop...ready to go soon...!!! Mission control...count down! :D

[*Deirdre*]

I'm there!! :p:D

[djstar]

Fun watching. Nice to hear your voice, Larry!

[Banner]

Thank you Larry for lesson one it was good.

[caramarris]

Thanks for a great first class@

[Journeyman]

Thanks for that breakneck journey through the foundations of composition Larry, off to bed now :wave: Dave

[ginib]

Thank you for doing this. Learning already.
gini

[Helenty]

Hi Larry, It is now 8.20 am Wed 5 th Oct and i have just watched your 1st lesson.I hope to learn a lot from you and look forward to the next lesson.

[Sonni]

Thanks for doing this Larry. The first one went pretty well, sound was good on my end. Lots of info being put out, hope it doesn't discourage beginners. Not sure what your expectations are for the homework, though. A sketch analysis of a painting we like. More than one painting? Post the original painting(s) and our analysis(es)--where? Here?. Sounds like a good exercise.

[PETE K]

Very well done Larry and it's nice to hear your voice also.

[kordelia]

SO enjoyed and looking fwd to more..... still had the big black rectangle covering about 1/6th of the screen top-to-bottom... (better than A Third, right??).... query: in analyzing pix, is it ok to bring in other artists' pix?? it wasnt ok for your class, so i'm wondering on here.... if it gets too complicated, i may just 'analyze' my own.... thanx again... kor:wave:

[rib00]

Are the slides available for us to download??? Note taking is difficult because the class moves so fast. And, by next week the material covered this week will be forgotten.

I think it would help if the slides were emailed out before the class.

[Eddypus1]

Thanks for a great lesson, Larry. I'm off to go do some sketches now.

[firesignart]

Thanks for the class!

[leamacd]

Thank you so much - wonderful class!

[hawkeye51]

New artist, long time coming. Thanks for the information.

[teriaaia]

Enjoyed webinar very much -

like the idea of keeping lists nearby to maintain
focus or remind me of what is possible

thinking in 3d - something you mentioned about being viewed and photographed painting -
the Bridge of Experience -

an experience - seeing and moving and deciding on site as opposed to viewing a photograph -

that experience - the performance of seeing, evaluating, feeling and then doing -
i like that rather social aspect - moments of excitement and sharing and responding to the now
look forward to next week

[hummerseeker]

I really enjoyed the class and am looking forward to the next!

[LarrySeiler]

Are the slides available for us to download??? Note taking is difficult because the class moves so fast. And, by next week the material covered this week will be forgotten.

I think it would help if the slides were emailed out before the class.

well...I think if folks paid a fee for such to be mailed out, might be practical...but these sessions are free. When the series is over, they will be available for purchase from North Light Shop.

I put in a good number of weeks preparing for tonight's session, now working on the session three weeks from now, shooting video painting outdoors last night, now hours to edit, produce...put together other video..and again, the sessions are free. In practicality, its a lot of work.

As for forgetting...well, not if the series or sessions are later purchased. But, I would recommend jumping in on the thread I created on the session, and the assignment. Deliberate practice will cement and help the concepts come together and make sense. It is a lot of work. Deliberate practice simply requires such...but that is also where growth comes from.

Next week's session is going to be very inspirational I can promise you that. A sure track for improving and becoming a good painter in a manner promising the most to happen in the time applied. You won't want to miss it!

[LarrySeiler]

Thanks for doing this Larry. The first one went pretty well, sound was good on my end. Lots of info being put out, hope it doesn't discourage beginners. Not sure what your expectations are for the homework, though. A sketch analysis of a painting we like. More than one painting? Post the original painting(s) and our analysis(es)--where? Here?. Sounds like a good exercise.

you're welcome...and a learning experience for me too! haha...no matter how prepared you are with content...technology itself can throw a curve your way and one has to act to respond. Should have seen me running like a mad man from our school's computer lab (where I have wifi) to my classroom where I have cable, but a slower older intel...ugh! Quick transfer content...hope for the best and run with it!

It will be better here on everyone, I promise!!!

I already started the new thread for tonight's topic...and the assignment and gave one example. Hope everyone will try this week to do some analysis studies. Of your own work, of the work of those you admire, of past honored master artists.

We know the regular forums often post works of other artists, of past masters...but we are offering forum sharing for sale. We do give credit...and its nothing that no one can't find online. It happens in all the forums, no?

I have shared images over all these years in my forums as have others. I'll maintain the protocol as an instructor not to post images as such while representing F&W as an instructor, but will provide links for such to be checked out. That is not to say folks here can't...folks under no obligations. Just read over the user agreement well...

as a past moderator of many years, it has always been the user agreement that has ultimately been our precedence or guide.

Hey...this is going to be fun...

[siberart]

Great session from one Alaskan who missed your workshop. Artists are still talking about it and looking forward to the possibility you may be back.

This lesson was excellent and looking forward to the next.

Thanks,

[LarrySeiler]

thanks everyone...appreciate the feedback..
at one minute before starting time...ran from one room to another, from wifi to cable, from content all set on one system...to downloading from a memory stick content to another albeit slower system with some issues (such as the dvd that wouldn't play).

We'll iron it out...and it will get better and better. Looking forward to weeks to come! :wave:

Isn't Sarah great too...!! She really helped me over some techno hurdles tonight! Thanks Sarah... :thumbsup: :clap:

[LarrySeiler]

Great session from one Alaskan who missed your workshop. Artists are still talking about it and looking forward to the possibility you may be back.

This lesson was excellent and looking forward to the next.

Thanks,

thanks Pat...
ah..we had such a great time, and I love Alaska. Had my boys been young first time I visited, I'd be an Alaskan today. Not to complain...love my daughter-in-laws and grand daughters...but, just sayin'!

We are definitely in the planning of another workshop or two next summer. Blaines Art in Anchorage wants to be part of one of the workshops...and we hope then one will focus on south Anchorage...and the route toward Whittier. The other...would love to be back at the Lil Su...Hatcher's Pass, Palmer...and yes, Independence Mine!!!! Oh my...

Next session will be very good, worth everyone's time!!!

[sherrysherman]

Well, I'm sad to say that, even though I was REALLY looking forward to this, I got busy and forgot until 40 minutes into it!! :eek: I signed on then and really liked what I saw, but I was definitely beating myself up. :(

So now I'm devouring the material you've posted elsewhere in this subforum plus Robert's notes to see what i can glean. (And I think I'll set the alarm on my cell phone calendar...)

BTW, people have commented on the "big black stripe" on the GoToMeeting screen. As someone who used to do a lot of GoToMeeting sessions, I can tell you that this is because you are using a Mac, Larry. If you were using a PC, your Control Panel would be invisible to viewers, but on a Mac, your Control Panel shows up on your viewers' screens as an opaque black box or stripe. The only way I know to "fix" it is to shrink your Control Panel. The Control Panel has a short skinny little strip on the side of it showing several symbols. To shrink the Panel, you click on the little arrow at the top of the skinny strip. The skinny strip remains, but you can move that to the side so it's not intrusive. Hope that makes sense.

Looking forward to being in on the next few sessions!

[LarrySeiler]

ah...interesting, Sherry..I imagine Sarah might not have known that. I guess what that means is I'll not myself notice folks questions and such in my little control panel, but as long as Sarah is there fielding such for me and recording...then I should not worry minimizing it. That is very useful information, so a star for you today! Sorry you joined in late.

Next week will be very insightful and inspiring!

[tennisqueen]

Enjoyed today's lesson and look forward to the next class!!!! Thank you so much for your time and sharing your knowledge!!!!
:clap:

[sherrysherman]

ah...interesting, Sherry..I imagine Sarah might not have known that. I guess what that means is I'll not myself notice folks questions and such in my little control panel, but as long as Sarah is there fielding such for me and recording...then I should not worry minimizing it. That is very useful information, so a star for you today! Sorry you joined in late.

Next week will be very insightful and inspiring!
Too bad not to be able to see questions as they come in. I heard Sarah fielding questions so I thought maybe you weren't following them closely (pretty tough to be giving the seminar and at the same time to be watching the questions scroll by).

I thought that Citrix had maybe cured the problem by now, but I guess not. As a diehard Mac user, I have learned to deal with the slights served up by the PC world :)

[LarrySeiler]

Enjoyed today's lesson and look forward to the next class!!!! Thank you so much for your time and sharing your knowledge!!!!
:clap:


:thumbsup: :)

[Kat5]

I missed last nights class due to a lovely little curve ball called life. Robert thanks for the notes it will be helpful for when I sign in next week! Looking forward to next class. (Hope my homework wont be too far off the mark since I didnt see the lesson.)

[rib00]

well...I think if folks paid a fee for such to be mailed out, might be practical...but these sessions are free....

As for forgetting...well, not if the series or sessions are later purchased. But, I would recommend jumping in on the thread I created on the session, and the assignment....

Next week's session is going to be very inspirational I can promise you that...

Thanks for the reply, Larry. I did find the session very informative. But, I also found the pace a bit quick. I can't imagine how Robert is able to take notes and follow along at the same time.

I had in mind emailing the notes so there would be no cost and little time expended. One of the other WC instructors has done that and it helps a lot.

Thanks for your efforts. Looking forward to the coming weeks.

[LarrySeiler]

Yep...I suppose one factor being that we nearly cancelled the session to postpone...and I was like no no no...and I was running around like a nut transferring material to another computer...perhaps I found myself keyed up. Yep...will try to speak perhaps a little more relaxed...a tad slower.

I guess though one way to look at it...is I'm trying to get out a ton of information I think is actually going to really help and benefit artists. There is a reason there is near 33250 posts by my name, because over the past greater decade, I have spent time critiquing and helping a lot of artists. The idea I can speak live and do some good for artists, ...what a chance! The material then admittedly come off overwhelming.

Here's what I recommend though. Glean what you can. Make notes of what most strikes you for what you need right now. If it seems, dang...there's so much...then I recommend the session may warrant and be worthy later purchasing from F&W...and then you have the convenience to pause, to rewind...and so forth.

hope that kinda explains where I'm coming from...but, I will try and consciously enunciate more...breathe...breathe... :)

[myko]

Larry unfortunately i missed all but the last 15 mins of the session - go confused with the time and daylight saving here in Australia - but thanks to Robert for his notes on the session - it will help me get up to speed - see (hear)you all at session 2!!!!!

[Mustbenuts]

Sadly, I also missed session one. I was sure that missed classes could be viewed later through a link that was provided in an email that I now can't find. :o After looking everywhere I could think of, including Larry's site, still no luck finding a link to the first class.

Anyone else have any luck?

[sherrysherman]

Sadly, I also missed session one. I was sure that missed classes could be viewed later through a link that was provided in an email that I now can't find. :o After looking everywhere I could think of, including Larry's site, still no luck finding a link to the first class.

Anyone else have any luck?
No, there is no replay of the first class, at least not until they go up for sale from North Lights (which might be a while). You might recall that Johannes's first series was done the same way - like Larry's, the weekly class was free, and after a while, the sessions were available for sale. (J's subsequent series, which we could watch via streaming video, was different in that we paid for the class.)

Sarah (from F&W) and Larry have both confirmed that the videos will be available later from North Lights - downloads for a fee.

[riverwolf]

So I set my alarm for 1:30 am, got up, lit a fire in the fireplace, made some lovely mountain tea with honey and sat down for the session.... everything was perfect....

except that I couldn't get online for the life of me! Tried everything until 2:40 am and then finally succumbed to the reality that I was not going to witness this session.

Now it's Tuesday afternoon (Greek time) and I am looking for Robert's notes and the thread for Larry's sessions.... hoping to get a gist of things for tonight's new fire, tea and pj's.....

Vida

[Improv]

So I set my alarm for 1:30 am, got up, lit a fire in the fireplace, made some lovely mountain tea with honey and sat down for the session.... everything was perfect....

except that I couldn't get online for the life of me! Tried everything until 2:40 am and then finally succumbed to the reality that I was not going to witness this session.

Now it's Tuesday afternoon (Greek time) and I am looking for Robert's notes and the thread for Larry's sessions.... hoping to get a gist of things for tonight's new fire, tea and pj's.....

Vida

This week's webinar hasn't started yet. It starts at 7PM EDT Tuesday, (Eastern Daylight Time) which right now is just under 7 hours from now.
Google a time zone chart to find out exactly what time that is in Greece.

[sherrysherman]

This week's webinar hasn't started yet. It starts at 7PM EDT Tuesday, (Eastern Daylight Time) which right now is just under 7 hours from now.
Google a time zone chart to find out exactly what time that is in Greece.
LOL! Good news, bad news situation for Vida. Good news not to have missed the seminar. Bad news to have to get up at 1:30 am again! (The first was just practice...) :)

Not making fun of you, Vida. I've done similar and way sillier things myself. I'd be happy to find out I didn't miss it after all (since last week I DID miss almost all of it).

[cranbrook]

Unfortunately, life got it the way of my viewing the second session. I, too, am looking forward to Robert's notes on this session, and hopefully will be able to attend the next as there is so much information to digest.

[Scorpio]

Unfortunately, the webinar connection would not let me join. It said to come back later, on the 18th. And yes, I tried from 10 pm Pacific time to 11 pm Pacific time. Don't know what else I could have done.

[Improv]

Unfortunately, the webinar connection would not let me join. It said to come back later, on the 18th. And yes, I tried from 10 pm Pacific time to 11 pm Pacific time. Don't know what else I could have done.


The webinar started at 7 PM Eastern Daylight Time or 4PM Pacific Daylight time. You were trying to get in 6 hours after the webinar start time.

[Scorpio]

I guess I'm not very good at math! Thanks for the correction. At least I will know the correct time for future webinars.

[LarrySeiler]

I guess I'm not very good at math! Thanks for the correction. At least I will know the correct time for future webinars.

Don't feel bad...around school here, I jest with staff that there IS A GOOD REASON I teach art, and not math!!! :lol:

[dragonsDaughter]

Hi Larry, I just want to say a big thank you for your dedication, your time, and your generosity in doing these classes. Very informative and inspiring! I am enjoying them very much and hope you get to do more.

[LarrySeiler]

very kind, thanks Heidi... :)

[LarrySeiler]

Neglected to put up last week's outline..so, here it is...(sorry)

120 Paintings- with artist/instructor Larry Seiler

Premise…
My imploring of the student to take to heart what
growth can be expected, with evidences offered
committing to this idea that getting 120 paintings
executed and behind as one’s experience will in
shorter order a painter make!

I. Success From Risk…From Failing
a) Leading up to “120 Paintings”
b) Quotes to inspire & aspire


II. Building a Light Environment Box
a) Controlling Light
b) Controlling color and shadows
c) Alerting and awakening to every object
a possible paint subject

III. Examples of Works/Things Learned
a) Paintings
b) Methods
c) Demonstrations

IV. Evolution of a Painter
a) The commitment to 120 paintings
b) Evidences of growth

V. Questions/Answers

[LarrySeiler]

Here is the outline for Tuesday, October the 18th...7pm EST

From Literal to the Suggestive-
with artist/instructor Larry Seiler

Premise…
Painterly realism or the suggestive invites the viewer
to engage the work and participate in the narrative actively.
With its poetic brushwork and elusive nature (what some
critics might refer to as the “unfinished look”) the painting
borrows from the viewer’s own life experiences to read
between the lines. In their reflection, frequent studying…
their own imagination is called into action making them in
a sense a co-creator to the work.


I. My Awakening
a) Burning out
b) Indoors, painting what I loved about being outdoors!
(the irony of labor)
c) Smack dab into Schmid!
d) The Turn around- prepping myself to respond/react to a
genuine moment
e) A Painting Speaks- metaphor on communication

II. Taking Ownership
a) From intimidation to control- Color
b) The rudder and the anchor- Values
c) Implementing the neglected Peripheral
d) Brushwork…mastering the Gesture

III. Demonstrations
a) The Creeper
b) Fumee Falls

V. Questions/Answers

[LarrySeiler]

Outline for October the 25th-

Imbuing Harmony & Unity thru Undertones
with artist/instructor Larry Seiler

Premise…
Undertones give the painter a great deal of creative
freedom and license to the level of finishing of a work.
Less finishing…the painting has a more abstract
contemporary flare. Certain colors will complement or
excite the palette.

I. Our Deficit as Painters of Light-
a) Edgar Payne’s analysis
b) Undertones and how they excite
c) Warm, neutral…or any color
d) partial undertoning

II. Video- “Last Light Impressions”
a) Palette setup
b) Composing & Mid Value block-in
c) Sky trick taught by Emile Gruppe
d) Sky Holes or Sculpting Trees
e) Finishing…and assessing the experience

III. Questions/Answers

[LarrySeiler]

November the first...as part of this session, (last in the series) I plan on sharing some gouache animations...such as this one here...which allows you to see various colored undertones, very direct brushwork...

Last Light on Hwy 8- A fall scenario...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2011/532-fallcolorsdrive1.gif

as well as some video which I'm sure you'll enjoy!