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SherryC
09-20-2011, 06:04 PM
Does anyone here do any work with colored pencils? I admire you if you do. I am taking a creative drawing with colored pencils course at the Art Center and I worked for two solid unbroken hours today and half way completed one Christmas bell! I thought some additional drawing instruction would help me out. Good grief, I cannot wait to get back to my pastels with their silky, soft colors and dust!!

Turpintine45
09-20-2011, 06:12 PM
CP's require patience and a lot of layers but they are useful if you just want to do some art in front of the TV as they don't make a mess but pastels they are not! You have to try out the colours as there is an order of application. You could look on the CP thread as there is lots of information there for beginners and they are friendly people.

allydoodle
09-20-2011, 06:14 PM
I started out with color pencils, and was glad to give them up. When I found pastels I never looked back! I got nice results with color pencils, but the process is so labor intensive that for me it took the fun out of painting/drawing. I don't miss them at all really. Though I do admire people that can sit and do it, they're not for me. I would use pastel pencils over color pencils any time, the results are much nicer and the process is waaaaaaay better, and more fun! (IMHO).

Do you want me to tell you how I really feel? :lol: :lol:

SherryC
09-20-2011, 06:49 PM
I think I will just let my art teacher instruct me versus spending too much time learning all about them. I really do not think I will do much with them after the 10 week course is over. I enjoy learning something different and know you never go wrong by trying and learning new techniques. I just had no clue they were so intensive.

equinespirit
09-20-2011, 07:46 PM
I did a couple of pieces with them in between graphite and discovering pastels.
I didnt find them to be labour intensive compared to graphite :lol: but yes they are compared to pastel.
OTOH I seem to be odd in that I can spend the same time on a pastel as a graphite or CP work :rolleyes: although thats largely trying to get the exact tone Im after and working my way through things.

I must admit that whilst I have seen some very nice work in CP ( check out the CP board on here if you havent already) Ive barely touched them since falling in love with pastels.

Although I did enjoy doing a graphite piece recently just because it was clean :lol:

BTW I guess you are just following instruction so using what you are given but paper wise I really liked the Stonehenge and found it much easier to work with than others, I didnt like Canson atall.

japonaise
09-20-2011, 07:57 PM
Sherry: Just for fun, have you tried watercolor pencils? You may like them - much less labor intense than color pencil with really cool effects by using a slightly wet #8 round. J

bluefish
09-20-2011, 08:33 PM
if you want to sit and watch 'soap operas', instead of colored pencils, try 'oil pastels'......no dust and they cover large ares, like the dusties....just an idea to consider.....

the drover's dog
09-21-2011, 08:02 AM
if you want to sit and watch 'soap operas', instead of colored pencils, try 'oil pastels'

Hmmn Blue, how come you know so much about what you can and cannot do while watching soapies? :confused: I wouldn't have a clue as I am not a soapie addict.:wink2:

Dale

allydoodle
09-21-2011, 09:34 AM
I do have to agree that the type of paper you use with color pencils is essential to having success. I think I used a Strathmore vellum paper which had a nice tooth to it, but smooth as well. Not 'glass smooth', just a nice smooth paper with a really nice consistant texture. It was also very thick, and a nice white. I think it was pretty expensive as drawing papers go, but I got nice results with it. It just took too long to get the artwork to where I wanted it, and I found myself getting even tighter than I already was. It is not a medium inclined towards a looser style. You also have to remember to spray workable fixative on it when you're completely done with it. The color pencil tends to get a 'wax bloom', which is a white-ish film. This happens over time and affects the way the finished art looks. It almost dulls the colors. The workable spray fixative stops the wax bloom from happening. I also use workable spray fixative on my graphite drawings (when I do them, haven't in a while), it keeps them from smudging and seems to keep the graphite pencil work looking its best. I worked almost exclusively in graphite pencil for quite a while. I do still like that medium, though I haven't done it in a looooong time!

I've always had an afinity to pencils, I have way too many sets of different types, I think just because I like to collect them :rolleyes: . Sets like tinted charcoal, charcoal, graphite (with different hardnesses), pastels, color pencils, watercolor pencils, water soluble graphite, have missed any :lol: ?

Enjoy your class Sherry. It's always nice to learn new techniques and materials, there is always something you can take from it. And, it's just fun to do something new.

bluefish
09-21-2011, 09:53 AM
:lol: :lol: Dale......if you're not accusing me of standing around naked, it's watching soaps.......:lol: .....quite a vivid imagination......must be the climate....:smug:

actually if someone wanted to watch a football(soccer down there or rugby) game on TV they could work on their lap with oil pastels without making a mess.......colored or WC pencils are nice, but slow and labor intensive......

:wave:

the drover's dog
09-21-2011, 11:39 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: It's called "footie" here Blue. Aussie rules football and the players don't have all that padding and crash helmets. Not a game for wimps.:D

What about all those greasy little balls of oil pastel that migrate from paper to your lap, the furniture, the dog................? Nah! CP or plain old disposable pen would be the least messy for watching soapies or the footy and still endeavour to be a little productive just so one does not feel guilty while one sat on one's backside.:wink2:

Dale

bluefish
09-21-2011, 12:09 PM
'knickers'?........haven't heard that term in many years......they still wear 'knickers' down there?

that 'footie' sounds like my kind of game......manly! :thumbsup:

SherryC
09-21-2011, 03:49 PM
The art instructor mentioned that she used Stonehenge paper, but all I could find was Bristol. I really hate to invest any more money in pencils. I am sure there are pastels out there that I MUST have.

I do like the idea of using them for sketches -- I need to do more of that.

I have not tried the water color pencils but may try them.

Thank, you are all so helpful on every matter.

bluefish
09-21-2011, 06:05 PM
Sherry.....give the WC pencils a try but I find them like CP's also ....lot of coloring labor intensive work....you can take a brush, dip into WC and in a second have done what the pencils will talk lots of minutes.....but maybe you will like them....worth a try.....

SherryC
09-21-2011, 09:31 PM
Blue I tend to be impatient so maybe WC pencils would work better. Thanks

robertsloan2
09-22-2011, 12:49 AM
Dale, I use oil pastels and colored pencils. The artist grade ones like Neopastel or Mungyo Artist Extra Soft or Sennelier don't leave as many crumblies to get into everything. I also keep a Colour Shaper handy to move them into their proper color areas and blend them in, preferably a chisel tip Firm or Extra Firm one.

Colored pencils are way too labor intensive for me to use them on large pieces. I still do sketching and small works with them - no larger than 5" x 7" - most often ATC/ACEO size - but I love it that my pastels let me work so much faster and freer. CP has a beautiful effect and was my first love, but pastels have been edging out everything else for a while now.

One good friend told me that she thought pastels were my best medium. I guess what I spend the most time doing starts to show that improvement! There's a pastelist on Facebook who does the same subjects I like in colored pencils - marbles, glass objects, shiny metal things with lots of detail. So I might try that sort of thing in a still life sometime. Ponting does beautiful realism with pastel pencils so there's something lovely in between.

Colored pencils just really take a long time to complete an original. If you enjoy working for a long time on one piece, they're great. I don't get in that mood very often any more and love the instant gratification of pastels.

Also even though I bought many full sets of colored pencils and only have one full set of pastels, I've got more colors. Seeing all the colors out at the same time is inspiring in both of those mediums. That will get me wanting to paint more than anything else.

Sherry, if you bought a lot of good colored pencils, I suggest getting a small 5" x 7" Stonehenge pad so that once in a while you can do something small and jewel-perfect. I cut my own ATC blanks from the Stonehenge, there's no point wasting my time on any lesser paper if I'm going to use CP. They're good.

Pastels though, if I ever do a full sheet painting it'll be in pastels.

Turpintine45
09-22-2011, 01:57 AM
I never got on with oil pastels they are too waxy for me.
For the record I haven't watched a soap opera since 1974 when I was pregnant with my first child had a BW tv with four channels and was faced with my first Arkansas Summer! Talk about culture shock!
WCPencils can be fun and you can get some interesting effects. I like to draw so graphite, CP's and pastels are my favorites but pastels give you the most freedom. I used hot press paper for CP's as they glide on easily and the paper is smooth.