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Ericak77
09-14-2011, 03:00 PM
So I went to try John's tip about how to remove your pastels off the velour paper to reuse it.

First I used the vacumm (sp?) on it, I didnt tap it since I dont have an open area to do that.

It took off almost all the pastels, but as I said I have used pencils very strongly on it.

Then I used the can of compressed air I bought yesterday just for this purpose.

Here is the result.

Before cleaning
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2011/973440-Lila_Velour_8.JPG

After vacumm and compressed air

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2011/973440-DSC_1067.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2011/973440-DSC_1068.JPG

Now I wonder, did I miss something or is that how clean the velour can get?
I didnt try putting pastels over it but its not encouraging for me :crying:

This is the very first time I try to remove anything off velour paper by the way. It would work good for a small area.

If anyone know what else I can do to save the sheet I will appreciate it!
The whole paper still has the same tooth as before, maybe I will be able to just cover it with the new painting (as long as its not another white cat)?

Érica Kamisaki

Ericak77
09-14-2011, 03:10 PM
Ok, I just tried to put pastels over it.
I did 3 layers of hard pastel. The first layer was very heavy.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2011/973440-DSC_1069.JPG

I guess that is it:(

Érica Kamisaki

Ruthie57
09-14-2011, 03:21 PM
Sorry Erica, I don't use velour because I hate it! I have loads in a drawer somewhere. I find it very tricky to even use, let alone brush/vacuum/blow off. I think the first layer of pastel goes so far into the pile you'll probably never get it out. But just try soft pastels layered gently, hardly any pressure. A few layers may well cover the offending marks. Hopefully you'll still have enough tooth left to finish your new painting.
Er, why ever did you brush this off???? It looks really cute to me!!

Lynndidj
09-14-2011, 03:29 PM
Erica - do you have any softies like Ludwigs or Schminke or Unison? Those might just do the trick as Ruthie has said. You might try a layer and use a light dose of some fixative and then try again. Just a thought.

I think that whenever you use a pencil, or a sharpened pastel like a pencil, on something soft, you run the risk of having an indentation or a mark that you can't lift, brush, vacuum or blow away. I have seen this happen on watercolor paper (with watercolors) as well. Hope you can salvage the paper - otherwise, possibly cut down the paper for a smaller painting, cutting off the part where the head was?

Lynn

Ericak77
09-14-2011, 03:34 PM
Ruthie,

Im being stubborn about velour just because I read Leslie Harrison's book and because I have seen so many amazing paintings of animals done on velour (like dbjs and Rose Baggs) that I wont rest while I dont get a cat right in this paper!

And I had to start Lila again because, Im not sure, something was not right in there, but I finished her on Fisher 400, here it is if you wanna give me your opinion and critique :cat:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=947896

Érica Kamisaki

Ericak77
09-14-2011, 03:38 PM
Lynn,

Thank you for your advice, but unfortunately I dont have (yet!) any soft pastels. I choose the hard ones (Faber Castel Pholycromos, Nupastel and Derwent) exactly because I was planning to use velour only.

I can always use the sheet to test a color, it wont be a total waste. Of course I could use a wayyyy smaller piece to test, but oh well, lol...

Érica Kamisaki

Davkin
09-14-2011, 04:06 PM
I believe the solution to your problem is to switch to pastelmat. :D

David

DAK723
09-14-2011, 04:12 PM
In my opinion, if you have that sort of dark detail (as you have for the cat's eyes) - it won't come out of velour. Nor is velour a paper that I would consider a good one for reusing. In order to get the pastel to "stick" sufficiently, it has to be worked into the fabric. So, the surface is going to be affected (and damaged to a certain extent) more than with the sanded papers.

On the other hand, when working with medium soft pastels (Rembrandt, Girault, Mount Vision, etc.) - and with using only a moderate pressure - one can cover previous layers of pastel endlessly. I use velour frequently and rarely have had to remove pastel - I can almost always cover what I need to cover.

I certainly don't want to spend someone else's money, but the medium softies are the one's I would recommend using with velour, although in my work I would never have the kind of thin lines and detail that you do. So I guess you would need some of the hard ones, too!

Don

allydoodle
09-14-2011, 04:17 PM
I believe the solution to your problem is to switch to pastelmat. :D

David

Or the Fisher 400 paper that you used on Lila. I have to say I prefer the look you ended up with using the Fisher 400, if that's any help. I'm of the belief one should use materials that don't fight you, and give you the best possible results. That includes having the pastel not come off it it gets a little tap or bang. Just my two cents.

Your painting of Lila came out absolutely georgous!

Davkin
09-14-2011, 05:35 PM
I just looked at your Lila thread. It does appear that the Fisher paper suits you quite well, so why waste any more time on the velour? I only suggested pastelmat because I have experimented with it using pastel pencils for a detailed drawing and was very impressed with it's ability to hold detail.

David

Ericak77
09-14-2011, 05:58 PM
Yes Don, Girault is the top on my "next pastel set wanted" list.

Before I end up being unfair about velour, allow me to show you guys some of my earlie works on velour, where I didnt have any need to fix anything.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2011/973440-Dalmata_framed.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2011/973440-Pintinhos_framed.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2011/973440-grey_persa_kitten_framed.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2011/973440-Purrr.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2011/973440-Lemingue_framed.jpg

They are all small like 25cm x 17,5 cm. I cut the velour sheet in 8 pieces to practice lol

And here is my second cat (I only have 2, 3 with Lila) on Fisher 400.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2011/973440-Gato_Cinza_framed.jpg
I loved doing this cat and among all my paintings he is the one I like the most.

And then came Lila painting and after that I got nothing else.
I dont know why sometimes I cant do it on velour and sometimes I cant do it on Fisher, weird like that. But I want to choose only one paper to work for everything I paint, which will be basically cats.

Should I try to paint the same cat on both papers and compare?

Érica Kamisaki

robertsloan2
09-14-2011, 05:59 PM
Just block in a strong dark area where the eyes were and reuse the paper. You've taken off enough that it should work. Especially if you use some softer pastels over it there shouldn't be a problem - and that's even medium soft like Rembrandt or Art Spectrum.

Also, your sketch was good. You could easily have redone it with a different cat over the original sketch, that's another option. Just take off the scribbles you put over that eye and the face that's blocked in is good.

I love all your other cats. You've really got a great style for doing cats. Ari liked all your pieces too, he looked up and watched when I scrolled past all your other cat pieces.

Ericak77
09-14-2011, 06:07 PM
Haha, I love Ari too!
I was missing you Robert, but I didnt want to bother you any more, I already asked too much! (Robert was the first person I emailed asking for help, he is my second teacher - Colin Bradley is the one I started with)

I always keep in mind what you told me about the shadows and the values, I will check Lila again and see if I fix it. Thank you again!:heart:

Érica Kamisaki