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sherrysherman
06-18-2011, 03:29 PM
Homework for this week:

Find a photo with a great lead-in. Then find another with a good building that you'd like to put in the first photo to create a "Frankenstein" reference. Post both photos, stating as best you can how you would combine them. Preferably, actually combine them in a merged photo, using Photoshop Elements, Gimp (gimp.com) or other application. Or draw in where the building would go.

That's the best I could hear Johannes say. My sound was glitching out. If anyone else heard something different, please post it.

ceedee08
06-18-2011, 07:00 PM
Is this where we are supposed to pick up the pdf and video from lesson 3? Thanks.

sherrysherman
06-18-2011, 07:38 PM
Is this where we are supposed to pick up the pdf and video from lesson 3? Thanks.
No, this is the place for posting your homework.

You get the pdf and video at the same place as you got videos 1 and 2. You should have received an email with a link and password, sent about June 10. Use the same link; the password should automatically enter itself if you visited the site before. If you did not receive the email, or if you discarded it, email Johannes and ask him to send it again. This time make sure you keep it if you want to revisit the site and also for getting the material next week.

Pdf and video 3 will probably not be available for a few days.

painterted
06-18-2011, 10:27 PM
Sherry, is there any painting to be done for homework? I had to leave and didn't hear what we are to do for homework

ted

sherrysherman
06-18-2011, 11:20 PM
Sherry, is there any painting to be done for homework? I had to leave and didn't hear what we are to do for homework

ted
My sound was glitchy as he spoke so I missed some of what he said. Mainly I heard what I wrote in the first post above, creating and posting the "frankenstein" composition that you would use for a painting. I would imagine that if you wanted to paint it too, you could do that and post it with your merged photo.

Deb Leger
06-18-2011, 11:53 PM
Hi Sherry,

You heard right - take two photos and create a frankenstein composition of one, either drawing or using a photo editing program.

But the address for the free gimp program was gimp.org (www.gimp.org). First, he said dot com but corrected it to the org maybe during a glitch-out time on your system. :D (They also have some tutorials there on the gimp program.

I'm really hoping that Joe might one day do a class on using photoshop for art use! :cat:

As always, it was a great class,

Deb

HazelP
06-19-2011, 04:32 PM
I am wondering if this would work Johannes. The building is the Church of the Good Shepherd, a welknown New Zealand landmark on the shores of Lake Tekapo. The leadin is another photo I took on an early morning stroll of the same area where we were holidaying.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/915542-_MG_9907-copy.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/915542-_MG_9809-copy.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/915542-Lake-Tekapo-combo.jpg

My photoshopping is not the best but you will get the general picture.:wave:

firesignart
06-19-2011, 09:13 PM
I painted my photo with a bit of revision and I think it has lots of lead in. I know it needs a bit of work but ready for comments
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/97017-home-sweet-home.jpg

Johannes Instructor
06-19-2011, 10:20 PM
I am wondering if this would work Johannes. The building is the Church of the Good Shepherd, a welknown New Zealand landmark on the shores of Lake Tekapo. The leadin is another photo I took on an early morning stroll of the same area where we were holidaying.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/915542-_MG_9907-copy.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/915542-_MG_9809-copy.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/915542-Lake-Tekapo-combo.jpg

My photoshopping is not the best but you will get the general picture.:wave:
Yes as long as you close the other gaps and open the main gap where the building is more. Make it hard for a soccer player to score except where the main entrance is.

Johannes Instructor
06-19-2011, 10:21 PM
I painted my photo with a bit of revision and I think it has lots of lead in. I know it needs a bit of work but ready for comments
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/97017-home-sweet-home.jpg
yes this does have a lead in. No question about that.

Sallyabc
06-19-2011, 10:48 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/599812-Franskinstin_creek-house.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/599812-path_through_the_treesby_crazywoman53.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/599812-CabinwithBrickFireplaceCabinHwy_sTammy_Odom.JPG
I would take the snow off the roof. Change the color of the closest building take out the red, put more greens in both of the buildings. Make the colors of the building more faded and not as straight.
Selma

jeanmcc
06-19-2011, 11:20 PM
How do I post my homework. I've not done this sort of thing before and don't know where to start.

mtnrunner
06-20-2011, 12:21 AM
Jeanmcc... look at the icons above this space when you are typing. If you slowly scroll your mouse over them, a description of each icon will come up. The yellow square with the mountain and sun is the icon to "add an image". if you click that, it will take you to a browse window, where you will click "choose file"... that's where you'll select the image of your homework that you want to upload from your computer. Then click "upload image" and wait while it processes. Once you see the image appear, then just click the image and it will add the code to your post. (you won't immediately see the image, just the html code for it). That's all! Pretty easy!
deb

mtnrunner
06-20-2011, 12:23 AM
I was also going to comment that when folks are stitching photos images together, to be aware of where the light is coming from. For example, in Selma's photo of the barns, the light is coming from behind and to the left. In the landscape where she wants to place the barns, the light is coming from behind and to the RIGHT. so when she paints the barns, she will have to be aware of that and change the light direction to coincide with the landscape.

MrsBeth
06-20-2011, 12:48 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/30777-awolds4.jpg This is the originalhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/30777-house_1.jpg This is the house I cut out and pastedhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/30777-awolds4_2.jpg Here is the composite

Colorix
06-20-2011, 05:24 AM
How do I post my homework. I've not done this sort of thing before and don't know where to start.

You need to make one more post/reply with only text, and in your third post you can post a picture, following the instructions you got.

Carol(SA)
06-20-2011, 10:14 AM
Wow, this has been a challenge in the use of Gimp! I should have cut out and pasted! http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2011/123470-IMG_2509resized.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2011/123470-frankenstein1jpgresized.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2011/123470-IMG_2234resized.jpg
I have been so overwhelmed with technology that I am not sure this would make a good painting. Looking at it now, the house doesn't fit the farm road but I don't have many pics of buildings as I normally like to take the pic with the lead in and that doesn't happen very often. This has somewhat changed my outlook! Thank you again Johannes for a brilliant session.

Carol(SA)
06-20-2011, 10:23 AM
I was also going to comment that when folks are stitching photos images together, to be aware of where the light is coming from. For example, in Selma's photo of the barns, the light is coming from behind and to the left. In the landscape where she wants to place the barns, the light is coming from behind and to the RIGHT. so when she paints the barns, she will have to be aware of that and change the light direction to coincide with the landscape.
I am sure that the idea of putting photos together is simply to get the basic design and shapes. Light will be put in when painting. It is well nigh impossible to get the light the same in two different photographs!

painter 55
06-20-2011, 10:29 AM
I appreciate Deb's instructions on how to get a picture to homework. She gave direction in post number 13, page 1 here. I am not ready to put a pic on my computer yet but when I am this will help me greatly. Thanks.

Rosemarie
06-20-2011, 11:36 AM
You are good "girls"! I can't find a good lead in photo to use, among my photos that is. I will go on searching.

arp8nter
06-20-2011, 12:49 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2011/79422-barn_sketch2_001.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2011/79422-Old_Stores_024.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2011/79422-old_barn.jpg

My photoshop skills are limited so I did a sketch. Obviously it is not a finished sketch but I think you get the idea. I did have pictures of the barn at other angles to use as helps in drawing but those angles were too straight on for painting.
Good lead-in pictures are really hard to find! Thanks for including some in your reference photo collection.

LLeone
06-20-2011, 10:30 PM
I really do need to spend some focussed time on learning to use photoshopping tools. At any rate, I did manage to put two pictures together and I think the final is more interesting. I should possibly have taken out more of the sky, and the two trees in the foreground should have been different sizes. If I were going to paint it, I'd shrink the one on the right a bit so that it was pushed further into the background.

LLeone
06-20-2011, 11:50 PM
Sorry - I didn't have the right pictures for the previous post and ran out of time to edit. So - I've tried again here.

Changes I'd make in the final pic if I was to paint it:
-mountain is too straight, so I'd change that
-the lead-in needs to be developed - perhaps using the water reflections as a path to the cabin - or moving rocks around to do this

Noula
06-21-2011, 07:15 AM
Went out and took some photos. I noticed that now I am unconsciously taking photos with lead inns. Good I'd say! Here is my “Frankenstein” using Gimp. Last month, WC in the Watercolors forum had a class on Photoshop which helped put this together. I extended the lead inn stone path to the back, darkened the sky, background buildings and grass area, made abstract shapes of trees and windows. Leaned the building inwards. Flipped the stone path lead inn. Could improve the grass shape but it's to difficult at the moment in my Gimp stage.


Athena


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/243521-leadinn358.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/243521-scale358.JPGhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/243521-scale377.JPG

Sandra39
06-21-2011, 05:12 PM
Hi Johannes:
Here is my design from two photos. I don't do Gimp even though I downloaded it sometime ago. So I drew it freehand not too well but enough to show. The dotted lines on the rooftop are my VP lines.

Do you think I should follow the photo per se since you said it is gorgeous and will required only minimum editing. Or I can just use my own design?
Sandi C.

Johannes Instructor
06-21-2011, 05:43 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/599812-Franskinstin_creek-house.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/599812-path_through_the_treesby_crazywoman53.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/599812-CabinwithBrickFireplaceCabinHwy_sTammy_Odom.JPG
I would take the snow off the roof. Change the color of the closest building take out the red, put more greens in both of the buildings. Make the colors of the building more faded and not as straight.
Selma
Yes this would work or you could reduce the size of those shacks and place them into the background where the stream ends.

Johannes Instructor
06-21-2011, 05:44 PM
Hi Johannes:
Here is my design from two photos. I don't do Gimp even though I downloaded it sometime ago. So I drew it freehand not too well but enough to show. The dotted lines on the rooftop are my VP lines.

Do you think I should follow the photo per se since you said it is gorgeous and will required only minimum editing. Or I can just use my own design?
Sandi C.
Watch out for the tangent of the well roof with the back roof.

Johannes Instructor
06-21-2011, 05:47 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/30777-awolds4.jpg This is the originalhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/30777-house_1.jpg This is the house I cut out and pastedhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jun-2011/30777-awolds4_2.jpg Here is the composite
Flowers is a good way to create a lead in. If you place them in an S format that lead in will be more acceptable by most.

Johannes Instructor
06-21-2011, 05:48 PM
Went out and took some photos. I noticed that now I am unconsciously taking photos with lead inns. Good I'd say! Here is my “Frankenstein” using Gimp. Last month, WC in the Watercolors forum had a class on Photoshop which helped put this together. I extended the lead inn stone path to the back, darkened the sky, background buildings and grass area, made abstract shapes of trees and windows. Leaned the building inwards. Flipped the stone path lead inn. Could improve the grass shape but it's to difficult at the moment in my Gimp stage.


Athena


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/243521-leadinn358.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/243521-scale358.JPGhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/243521-scale377.JPG
Yes the pathway placed in a lazy "S" format will work. A better example is what you have in that close up.

Johannes Instructor
06-21-2011, 05:53 PM
Sorry - I didn't have the right pictures for the previous post and ran out of time to edit. So - I've tried again here.

Changes I'd make in the final pic if I was to paint it:
-mountain is too straight, so I'd change that
-the lead-in needs to be developed - perhaps using the water reflections as a path to the cabin - or moving rocks around to do this
It is preferable that lead in run from front to back not side to side.

Amandine
06-21-2011, 08:32 PM
So, here is my homework for week 3. I must say that I had a very hard time with Photoshop Elements. As someone mentioned previously in this thread, a course on how to use Photoshop would be needed. :D

Photos that I used are :
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/661062-numerisation0003-2.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/661062-F1000003_1.jpg

And here is the merge :
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/661062-homework3.jpg

I tried to improve the trees but I didn't succeed. :rolleyes:

Obion
06-21-2011, 09:07 PM
:wave: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/42526-Farm_house__cree.jpg
Remove the gate and add taller tree behind house and Trees to the right padock behind the horse, break up the fence line a little so it look as if the horse has access to the water...

Obion
06-22-2011, 02:51 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/42526-Art_Old_stone_barn_Untitled.jpg
This one I will paint -Open a gate for access to stream and bring barn yard throught to the right more. make the fence look more old/rundown, also add more tree behind barn and to right of picture behind the horse, add more rustic colors.
Stone Barn
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/42526-Old_Stone_barn.jpg

Johannes Instructor
06-22-2011, 11:52 AM
Wow, this has been a challenge in the use of Gimp! I should have cut out and pasted! http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2011/123470-IMG_2509resized.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2011/123470-frankenstein1jpgresized.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jun-2011/123470-IMG_2234resized.jpg
I have been so overwhelmed with technology that I am not sure this would make a good painting. Looking at it now, the house doesn't fit the farm road but I don't have many pics of buildings as I normally like to take the pic with the lead in and that doesn't happen very often. This has somewhat changed my outlook! Thank you again Johannes for a brilliant session.
Your approach is correct but I personally have a problem with visual leads in that GO PAST the building. Igf you could rearrange it so the lead in ends up at the building all the better.

Johannes Instructor
06-22-2011, 11:54 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/42526-Art_Old_stone_barn_Untitled.jpg
This one I will paint -Open a gate for access to stream and bring barn yard throught to the right more. make the fence look more old/rundown, also add more tree behind barn and to right of picture behind the horse, add more rustic colors.
Stone Barn
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/42526-Old_Stone_barn.jpg
Try flipping the building so it faces the other way and place it at the left side. Then redirect the stream to go into the painting rather than exit at the side.

nougat
06-22-2011, 12:39 PM
photoshop and gimp both have a steep learning curve and i frankly don't have the time to get to grips with either - i'd much rather be painting.
SO
i found these 2 (and several other ) lovely photos is the WC library - my thanks to the contributors. :)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/15364-hwphotos.JPG
and here's my rough sketch.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/15364-hwsketch.JPG

BumpaBob
06-22-2011, 03:55 PM
Hi Jo: The WetCanvas reference library has provided a goldmine of photos: roads, streams, barns and other buildings. I found a few that I wanted to run by you before trying to merge any images. The first one already has the S lead in via the road and wall, while the building itself has plenty of character and interest. We actually may have seen this one painted in the Landscape course:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/946754-IMG_4593.JPG
The wall needs to be lowered and "wrecked" with some of the rocks scattered and moved off the wall; add weeds and flowers to the wall and ground line; get rid of the gate; add more detail to the front of the barn; put a cart or wagon in the open door, details around the front of the building. The roof has the beginnings of a dip and shows its age. Trees in the back will look better painted wet in wet and moved back into two or more planes. If this one is a good start, please let me know and I will do a value study. If not, I have some other photos to combine by sketching. (haven't had time to learn GIMP from scratch.) rjc

Johannes Instructor
06-22-2011, 06:19 PM
So, here is my homework for week 3. I must say that I had a very hard time with Photoshop Elements. As someone mentioned previously in this thread, a course on how to use Photoshop would be needed. :D


Photos that I used are :http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/661062-numerisation0003-2.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/661062-F1000003_1.jpg

And here is the merge :http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jun-2011/661062-homework3.jpg
I tried to improve the trees but I didn't succeed. :rolleyes:
Please read post 35 in this thread. The same concept applies here.

jillmc3
06-22-2011, 09:21 PM
I, too, am not proficient with Photoshop Elements, but I tried! I would change the lead-in to be more "s" shaped and would change the trees in the background to vary their shapes but I don't know the PSE tools well enough to do that! Thanks, Johannes for your time and your feedback!

Original building photo courtesy of Johannes' reference photos set that I purchased:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/153055-Picture_151_536.JPG

Inks Lake, Texas for lead-in and setting:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/153055-Inks_Lake_1.jpg

Frankenstein:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/153055-homework1.jpg

Johannes Instructor
06-23-2011, 08:13 AM
I, too, am not proficient with Photoshop Elements, but I tried! I would change the lead-in to be more "s" shaped and would change the trees in the background to vary their shapes but I don't know the PSE tools well enough to do that! Thanks, Johannes for your time and your feedback!

Original building photo courtesy of Johannes' reference photos set that I purchased:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/153055-Picture_151_536.JPG

Inks Lake, Texas for lead-in and setting:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/153055-Inks_Lake_1.jpg

Frankenstein:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/153055-homework1.jpg
I would take that first building and place it behind the other one. I tend to group my subjects together somewhere in the middle ground. Also don't allow the road to fork off to the left.

nougat
06-23-2011, 09:01 AM
Hi Johannes, i think you may have accidentally skipped my homework (post 36) i would so appreciate your comments if it is convenient.
thanks :)

Amandine
06-23-2011, 09:04 AM
Please read post 35 in this thread. The same concept applies here.

Understood. Will try to do so before Saturday. Thanks Jo.

Johannes Instructor
06-23-2011, 09:30 AM
Hi Jo: The WetCanvas reference library has provided a goldmine of photos: roads, streams, barns and other buildings. I found a few that I wanted to run by you before trying to merge any images. The first one already has the S lead in via the road and wall, while the building itself has plenty of character and interest. We actually may have seen this one painted in the Landscape course:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/946754-IMG_4593.JPG
The wall needs to be lowered and "wrecked" with some of the rocks scattered and moved off the wall; add weeds and flowers to the wall and ground line; get rid of the gate; add more detail to the front of the barn; put a cart or wagon in the open door, details around the front of the building. The roof has the beginnings of a dip and shows its age. Trees in the back will look better painted wet in wet and moved back into two or more planes. If this one is a good start, please let me know and I will do a value study. If not, I have some other photos to combine by sketching. (haven't had time to learn GIMP from scratch.) rjc
This subject is very doable. You definitely have a strong reference photo. Remember create 3 planes to your backgrounds if you can.

Johannes Instructor
06-23-2011, 09:32 AM
photoshop and gimp both have a steep learning curve and i frankly don't have the time to get to grips with either - i'd much rather be painting.
SO
i found these 2 (and several other ) lovely photos is the WC library - my thanks to the contributors. :)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/15364-hwphotos.JPG
and here's my rough sketch.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jun-2011/15364-hwsketch.JPG
The way your drawing is done the composition will work. What I like is how you made the path end at the house not go past it or by it. Turn the building more to have more of it face in.

nougat
06-23-2011, 11:31 AM
thank you johannes - sorry for not understanding completely - you mean turn the house so more of the front shows or the side?

Johannes Instructor
06-23-2011, 12:11 PM
thank you johannes - sorry for not understanding completely - you mean turn the house so more of the front shows or the side?
Turn it counter clockwise at least 1 hour .

sylvia
06-23-2011, 08:49 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jun-2011/265-front4.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jun-2011/265-middle2.jpg [IMG]http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jun-2011/265-sketch_5.jpg

Here are my composite photos and sketch, meanwhile i am practicing with GIMP!

Obion
06-23-2011, 09:41 PM
:wave: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jun-2011/42526-Art_cottage_by_river.jpg
I would like to paint this, lower the stone fence to show back building and remove some of the over hanging plants, remove one of the chimneys, do something with the sky. maybe blue/green up the water... Any thought on this... Not sure about the windows,they are cloning.

Johannes Instructor
06-23-2011, 11:50 PM
I need to emphasize that lead ins and visual paths will work better if they lead TO the building not past it.

Eagle-eye
06-24-2011, 02:31 AM
This afternoon late I downloaded Gimp. These are the two photo's I combined.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/190227-Cabin.jpg and http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/190227-Lesson_3_Homework-Doctored_lake-mt.jpg

This is what I did with the two photo's from above in Gimp. I couldn't fade the mountain tops. This has been a crash course in Gimp. Very, very basic on my part.
Dee

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/190227-Lesson_3-Submitted-Doctored.jpg

Susan Peltonen
06-24-2011, 04:07 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/153022-building1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/153022-building2.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/153022-lead_in.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/153022-merged.jpg
Here is my attempt (using PhotoShop) at merging three photos that I took on my travels through eastern Washington. I added a fence and some grasses along the road as a lead in to the buildings. I also added some distant mountains to try to get at least three planes, and a group of tall trees in the foreground to add a vertical element to the picture plane. Suggestions welcome.

Johannes Instructor
06-24-2011, 09:01 AM
This afternoon late I downloaded Gimp. These are the two photo's I combined.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/190227-Cabin.jpg and http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/190227-Lesson_3_Homework-Doctored_lake-mt.jpg

This is what I did with the two photo's from above in Gimp. I couldn't fade the mountain tops. This has been a crash course in Gimp. Very, very basic on my part.
Dee

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/190227-Lesson_3-Submitted-Doctored.jpg
The advice that I have been giving is that if you take a painting and cut it in half vertically and both pieces look identical visually it will be not as interesting as if you changed the look on both sides. Also if you can't tell that much difference if you see your painting in a reversed image in the mirror then it would be a good idea to chnage one of the sides. Painting is all about entertaining the viewer.

Johannes Instructor
06-24-2011, 09:02 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/153022-building1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/153022-building2.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/153022-lead_in.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/153022-merged.jpg
Here is my attempt (using PhotoShop) at merging three photos that I took on my travels through eastern Washington. I added a fence and some grasses along the road as a lead in to the buildings. I also added some distant mountains to try to get at least three planes, and a group of tall trees in the foreground to add a vertical element to the picture plane. Suggestions welcome.
This would work well. Well done. I am attaching a cropped version to close the huge gap on the right. This also places the focal point at the top right cuadrant which is the best piece of real estate in a painting. The furthest buiding has better angles than the front one. Also it is showing two sides which is preferable over a profile view. I would switch those two around and rotate the other building so it faces inwardly. I hope I am making myself clear.

beart
06-24-2011, 12:39 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/88528-IMG_1176.jpg I did this in a hurry as you can see but I got the idea with the coming in with a snake stream. I then positioned the buildings to keep the eye going to keep you going through the painting. Frankenstein is a good name for this. Maybe a little too loose.

Mary54
06-24-2011, 04:18 PM
Here is my "Franken-Picture". I took a picture of a lane going back to a horse farm. Then, I took a picture of the storage building (that was in the first picture) at a different angle. I flipped the picture of the lane and tried to make the lane more melodic. I cropped the storage building and inserted it in the pic.

mlgk
06-24-2011, 06:20 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/161785-old-house-merged.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/161785-old-house065.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/161785-field-.jpg
I'm not that good at using photoshop elements but finally got this done. Would you consider teaching a class on photoshop elements ?
The lead-in probably needs to be improved. Also could make more planes in the background.

Susan Peltonen
06-24-2011, 06:36 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/153022-original.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/153022-Redo.jpg Johannes, Here is both the original and the redo of my merged photos. I took your advice and cropped the original to close the gap on the right and place the focal point in the top right quadrant of the picture plane. I switched the buildings around to take advantage of the better angles, and I rotated the back building so that it faces inwardly. It looks a whole lot better! Thanks for your help!

NorthCarolinaStudent
06-24-2011, 07:45 PM
This is a photo of a lighthouse and houses surrounding it.
I do not excell with Photoshop so, I printed it out and painted a
snowy path up to the houses, put a few snow spots around and gave the photo a blue filter. -- Elisabeth
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/774972-webbuildings.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/774972-snowypic.jpg

Eagle-eye
06-24-2011, 11:09 PM
Thank you Johannes for your constructive comments on my composite. When you speak of changing both sides. Would that have meant in this case that I should have changed the foreground vegetation to different heights, brought it in further on on side. I stuck the lily pads in hoping to pull viewer through and toward cabin and/ or should I have added something else on the right side in the background?
I have never painted from photo's. I paint an idea from my head which is usually something pertaining to mountains and wilderness.

Dee

BumpaBob
06-25-2011, 01:07 AM
Johannes: Here is my value sketch of the stone cottage photo; the center of interest will be what is now a dark garage door, in which will be showing the back end of a wagon of some sort...maybe a Studebaker.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jun-2011/946754-StoneCottage-2.jpg
Looking forward to Saturday's class. bob.c

elisamaria
06-25-2011, 04:41 AM
As I am not able todo any photoshop. I tried my best with my methods, the photo, sketch paper and pencil. The boathouse is my focal area. I opened the door to stay in to the picture and hope the offer some entertainment to the vier.
Looking forward to today´s last lesson again. I have appreciated the course very much and hope I have at least done some progress what you Johannes has thought. THANK YOU!:) :)
Elisabeth
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jun-2011/735472-P1040613.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jun-2011/735472-P1040611.JPG

LadyMadonna
06-25-2011, 07:12 AM
These are my two photographs. I never had the time to merge them as I have had a crazy week. I will explain how I would merge the two of them.. I think the mountain photo has a great lead in but I would make it more melodic and lead it to the cabin in the far off left quadrant nestled under the mountain. I might paint a light in the cabin to make the painting more interesting and try to emulate a warm window contrast with orange |yellow hue against this cool atmosphere. The cabin would have more snow and ice on it depicting a spring not quite there yet.
( I would imagine some cranky old prospector lives there ..)

Johannes Instructor
06-25-2011, 08:40 AM
This is a photo of a lighthouse and houses surrounding it.
I do not excell with Photoshop so, I printed it out and painted a
snowy path up to the houses, put a few snow spots around and gave the photo a blue filter. -- Elisabeth
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/774972-webbuildings.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/774972-snowypic.jpg
The visual path passes and leaves behind the lighthouse. You can stop that visual path with fog.

Johannes Instructor
06-25-2011, 08:42 AM
These are my two photographs. I never had the time to merge them as I have had a crazy week. I will explain how I would merge the two of them.. I think the mountain photo has a great lead in but I would make it more melodic and lead it to the cabin in the far off left quadrant nestled under the mountain. I might paint a light in the cabin to make the painting more interesting and try to emulate a warm window contrast with orange |yellow hue against this cool atmosphere. The cabin would have more snow and ice on it depicting a spring not quite there yet.
( I would imagine some cranky old prospector lives there ..)
Watch out for that implied triangle in your snow picture. The barn seems to much like a box.

Johannes Instructor
06-25-2011, 08:44 AM
As I am not able todo any photoshop. I tried my best with my methods, the photo, sketch paper and pencil. The boathouse is my focal area. I opened the door to stay in to the picture and hope the offer some entertainment to the vier.
Looking forward to today´s last lesson again. I have appreciated the course very much and hope I have at least done some progress what you Johannes has thought. THANK YOU!:) :)
Elisabeth
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jun-2011/735472-P1040613.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jun-2011/735472-P1040611.JPG
You did a lot of restructuring. Usually I prefer stronger reference material so I don't have to redesign so much. However your drawing implies a sold composition.

Johannes Instructor
06-25-2011, 08:45 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/161785-old-house-merged.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/161785-old-house065.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/161785-field-.jpg
I'm not that good at using photoshop elements but finally got this done. Would you consider teaching a class on photoshop elements ?
The lead-in probably needs to be improved. Also could make more planes in the background.
Yes, this should work.

Johannes Instructor
06-25-2011, 08:47 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jun-2011/265-front4.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jun-2011/265-middle2.jpg [IMG]http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jun-2011/265-sketch_5.jpg

Here are my composite photos and sketch, meanwhile i am practicing with GIMP!
I like compositions where you are standing either the bottom of a hill or top of one to see a buiding. I like the way I am looking down at these buildings from above.

Johannes Instructor
06-25-2011, 08:48 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jun-2011/88528-IMG_1176.jpg I did this in a hurry as you can see but I got the idea with the coming in with a snake stream. I then positioned the buildings to keep the eye going to keep you going through the painting. Frankenstein is a good name for this. Maybe a little too loose.
As far as composition this will work.

Johannes Instructor
06-25-2011, 08:50 AM
Here is my "Franken-Picture". I took a picture of a lane going back to a horse farm. Then, I took a picture of the storage building (that was in the first picture) at a different angle. I flipped the picture of the lane and tried to make the lane more melodic. I cropped the storage building and inserted it in the pic.
Good thinking. One advantage of slanted roofs is that they help convey a 3D look and less pasted on feeling like a buiding with just a line for a roof.

nougat
06-25-2011, 09:15 AM
The way your drawing is done the composition will work. What I like is how you made the path end at the house not go past it or by it. Turn the building more to have more of it face in.

so here is my sketch with the house turned as advised. :) thank you.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jun-2011/15364-hwcorrected.JPG

Johannes Instructor
06-25-2011, 09:53 AM
so here is my sketch with the house turned as advised. :) thank you.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jun-2011/15364-hwcorrected.JPG
yes I feel the motion of being invited inward.

nougat
06-25-2011, 10:11 AM
thank you johannes - see you later :)

elisamaria
06-25-2011, 12:48 PM
You did a lot of restructuring. Usually I prefer stronger reference material so I don't have to redesign so much. However your drawing implies a sold composition.

Thank you Johannes. Actually I didn´t do lot of restructuring, as I was sitting on the steps sketching and could see much more than the photo tells, but the lead in was what was missing in my view. The rusty barrels were on the other side of the boathouse and lots of ref trees in the wood.:)

jeanmcc
06-25-2011, 03:34 PM
Jeanmcc... look at the icons above this space when you are typing. If you slowly scroll your mouse over them, a description of each icon will come up. The yellow square with the mountain and sun is the icon to "add an image". if you click that, it will take you to a browse window, where you will click "choose file"... that's where you'll select the image of your homework that you want to upload from your computer. Then click "upload image" and wait while it processes. Once you see the image appear, then just click the image and it will add the code to your post. (you won't immediately see the image, just the html code for it). That's all! Pretty easy!
deb
Thank you for answering my question. I couldn't even find where I had posted it until this morning when I was looking around because I couldn't even get into the class today. Then when I did, I couldn't hear it. The first 3 were fine but not this one. I don't know what happened. And the class is over; so, I don't need to upload anything now. But I do appreciate you sending me an answer. Sorry I couldn't find my way around the chats better.

Johannes Instructor
06-25-2011, 05:57 PM
Thank you for answering my question. I couldn't even find where I had posted it until this morning when I was looking around because I couldn't even get into the class today. Then when I did, I couldn't hear it. The first 3 were fine but not this one. I don't know what happened. And the class is over; so, I don't need to upload anything now. But I do appreciate you sending me an answer. Sorry I couldn't find my way around the chats better.

We sent this in an email

On Saturday when you bring up this page you will may see the video feed with a commercial that is broadcasting with sound. Then after the commercial is over the program automatically mutes Johannes' voice. When that happens click on the speaker icon to unmute and slide the volume bar to the right.

Johannes Instructor
06-26-2011, 09:58 PM
Thank you for answering my question. I couldn't even find where I had posted it until this morning when I was looking around because I couldn't even get into the class today. Then when I did, I couldn't hear it. The first 3 were fine but not this one. I don't know what happened. And the class is over; so, I don't need to upload anything now. But I do appreciate you sending me an answer. Sorry I couldn't find my way around the chats better.

Jean check your PM please

painterted
09-19-2011, 09:06 PM
Hi Johannes, I painted these old shacks and I would sure like you to critique it for me if you will. i hope you don't mind us doing this.

thanks Ted.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Sep-2011/909312-P9190004.jpg

Johannes Instructor
09-19-2011, 11:55 PM
Hi Johannes, I painted these old shacks and I would sure like you to critique it for me if you will. i hope you don't mind us doing this.

thanks Ted.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Sep-2011/909312-P9190004.jpg\

This looks quite professional. Close the gap at the left. My eye gets trapped there. Good wet on wet background but watch out for cloning evergreens.

painterted
09-20-2011, 07:56 PM
Thanks for the complements Jo. For closing the gap at the left, do you mean bring the fir tree over to the edge of the paining and I can also make it taller to cure the cloning?

ted

Johannes Instructor
09-21-2011, 01:25 AM
Thanks for the complements Jo. For closing the gap at the left, do you mean bring the fir tree over to the edge of the paining and I can also make it taller to cure the cloning?

ted
To avoid cloning pine trees make each one a different height and different width. Instead of adding another pine tree at the same plane level why not add another behind it in a lavender hue to show even another plane. Just make it so the eye does not get too attracted to that area. I tend to create 3 planes to my backgrounds. If you look at this painting of mine you will clearly see that I have 4 planes behind the mill. That way the viewer feels
the depth in paintings. Also you know how I feel about edges. I always say everything you put behind your buildings should be wet on wet (rocky mountain being an exception). You can make these edges mre diffused or more obvious depending on the thing you are depicting in the background. s I would be very cautious not to create a hard edge behind another hard edge, the latter being your buildings.

painterted
09-21-2011, 12:54 PM
Jo, does this look better better. Those clone trees get me every time.
If I understand you correctly, should I have made more defused and soft edges on the back building?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Sep-2011/909312-P9200003.jpg