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winecountry
04-04-2011, 03:38 AM
I don't see a thread for homework....so here is mine...I'll have to tone down branches, but too wet and small right now,couldn't get the reflections right

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2011/103030-homework_4285.jpg

6" x8" oil on canvas

Edited: Sherry Sherman began this Homework thread for Week 10 but because some had posted homework elsewhere, the earlier posts appear at the top of this thread.

waterlily13
04-04-2011, 08:48 AM
Nice job Colleen,:clap:

I especially like how you did your winter trees and your colors were good
value choices. On the water, I think I remember??? that he said that it was best to keep the ripples to the front of the painting and lessen them towards the back and that water needs to be one value darker than the sky.

I will order that lesson for sure when they are available. I had no trouble with the video or sound.

Jon, Monet would be proud of you and your gracious teaching of others.

much thanks
Vicki

oils4me
04-04-2011, 10:07 AM
Colleen it's beautiful!!

sherrysherman
04-04-2011, 10:28 AM
For those who missed the homework assignment, Johannes said to paint a little vignette like he painted. The ref photo is the last one in this batch of photos: http://cyberartlearning.com/winter-trees.html

Then he said also paint a single bare tree like the first one he painted.

Post them in this thread.

LynnM
04-04-2011, 10:40 AM
Thanks, Sherry!

Bare trees, watercolour on Curry's 200 lb CP

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2011/97813-Winter-trees,-tree-with-fal.jpg

Tiny painting 7 x 3.5 in. done during the demo, materials as above, got a bit muddy and I'll try another later in the week.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2011/97813-Winter-trees-7-x-3-dot-5.jpg

winecountry
04-04-2011, 12:18 PM
Nice job Colleen,:clap:

On the water, I think I remember??? that he said that it was best to keep the ripples to the front of the painting and lessen them towards the back and that water needs to be one value darker than the sky.

Vicki
Right Vicki, and mine is darker but the paint being wet created a shine that makes them seem the same, and makes it seem like the ripples are everywhere....I just went through a painting that had lighter water than sky and I tried to paint it that way to no avail, in the end I had to make the water darker and add a lighter spot, so this is one lesson I learned before he taught it and it wont be forgotten:lol:

jmcedeno
04-04-2011, 01:09 PM
Hello everyone, where can I find the picture of the Winter Trees demo that JV did Yesterday ? isn't that the ref. we should use for the homework ? or I misunderstood him.

Lin Frye
04-04-2011, 01:22 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2011/82363-WINTER_TREES_2.jpg My winter trees only sketch .... I had to darken this a bit (trust me -- no more than value 8!! LOL) - since my scanner AND my camera blotted out some of the finer, lighter areas.

I'll be working on the other assignments this week ...

Lin

blarkin
04-04-2011, 05:56 PM
The demo was fabulous! I tried to paint along with Jo. The thing I like the least (that I painted) was the tree that had lost some foliage. I was trying to adjust the colors on the lake, so I was falling behind and had to hurry. Also, I know my left most tree could break in half and fall down at any moment!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2011/86145-IMG_6677.JPG
I hope no one minds another thing I wanted to share. My 13 year old often grabs her acrlyics (cause I won't let her use my oils) and makes her version of my own latest attempts. She watched the end of the demo and thought it was "so cool" (join the club kid)! Anyway, later she painted a different version, but because my winter day was "too sad" she changed it up a bit - this is her painting.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2011/86145-IMG_6679.JPG

blarkin
04-04-2011, 05:59 PM
Lin - I love your stetch. My first impression was that the trees were embracing.

LadyMadonna
04-04-2011, 06:00 PM
I think it is great that you let your daughter join you in the painting process ..if we could only see the colours that children see in our world it might a less dreary place. I see 'happy'.

callady
04-04-2011, 07:16 PM
I think I posted this in the wrong section so here goes again. This is a WC I did using one of your photos of yesterday. Think I'll call it "First Snow".

LadyMadonna
04-04-2011, 07:33 PM
I really hate to post this when I see the lovely photo just above mine but here it is for what 's it worth ..and that's not much.
I messed up my sky using the orange and could not fix it. Help.
Back to the drawing board.
I think I need to try a different medium. Watercolours and I seem to have a problem. I can never get that luminosity.

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 07:34 PM
I don't see a thread for homework....so here is mine...I'll have to tone down branches, but too wet and small right now,couldn't get the reflections right

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2011/103030-homework_4285.jpg

6" x8" oil on canvas

Edited: Sherry Sherman began this Homework thread for Week 10 but because some had posted homework elsewhere, the earlier posts appear at the top of this thread.
That does look very good. It seems you got a lot out of yesterday's class.

Lin Frye
04-04-2011, 07:35 PM
"My first impression was that the trees were embracing."
Thanks so much, Blarkin, I thought so too! LOL

I remember walking along a street I used to live on and looking at some of the bare paper birches -- I would have sworn they were ballerinas!

Lin

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 07:35 PM
I really hate to post this when I see the lovely photo just above mine but here it is for what 's it worth ..and that's not much.
I messed up my sky using the orange and could not fix it. Help.
Back to the drawing board.
I think I need to try a different medium. Watercolours and I seem to have a problem. I can never get that luminosity.

I see you are thinking in depth now. That background is receding quite a bit. Watch out for two mirrored sides. (visually speaking)

Lin Frye
04-04-2011, 07:37 PM
Beautiful pictures shown here .. terrific work folks!

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 07:40 PM
Thanks, Sherry!

Bare trees, watercolour on Curry's 200 lb CP

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2011/97813-Winter-trees,-tree-with-fal.jpg

Tiny painting 7 x 3.5 in. done during the demo, materials as above, got a bit muddy and I'll try another later in the week.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2011/97813-Winter-trees-7-x-3-dot-5.jpg

I like the tree on the right. That is well done. I like the negative spaces bewteen the branches. The tree on left has the twigs too thick. As twigs approach the tree circumference they get thinner and lighter. The technique is that you stop the individual twigs when they reach the dry brush area. See changes below.

LynnM
04-04-2011, 07:53 PM
Thanks, Johannes!

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 08:31 PM
Hello everyone, where can I find the picture of the Winter Trees demo that JV did Yesterday ? isn't that the ref. we should use for the homework ? or I misunderstood him.
http://cyberartlearning.com/winter-trees.html

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 08:40 PM
I have decided to address your bare tree homework in the next webinar. I can make myself clearer that way as well as work on your submissions as you see the changes happening. So don't feel neglected if I don't reply to your submission.

sannew
04-04-2011, 08:47 PM
Here is my winter tree. Is the second one an improvement or not?

LAyers
04-04-2011, 09:18 PM
Here is my first attempt on the homework


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2011/120844-DSC00151.JPG

murphe
04-05-2011, 01:06 AM
Here are my poor and quick attempts. This is on paper for oils but seems to suck oils up very quickly.
Be gentle, this was my first week so I guess I've missed a lot.
I used W&N Artisan water soluble oils, but I think I need to buy the thinner as water doesn't work to well.

I should have spent more time on this but it was getting very late. I just stuck in something for a rough background instead of toning the paper.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/218876-IMAG0031.jpg


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/218876-IMAG0032.jpg

horsthh
04-05-2011, 01:59 AM
Homework on winter trees, I sure need some practice, but its fun to see every ones work.
Thanks Johannes

HazelP
04-05-2011, 03:14 AM
What a great lesson we had Monday - yes it was Monday morning here in New Zealand.
I don't find Watercolour very easy but thought I would give it a try this week.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/915542-Watercolour-painting.jpg

Johannes Instructor
04-05-2011, 09:13 AM
Here is my winter tree. Is the second one an improvement or not?
Yes but you could darken the thicker limbs. Your first tree was quite good. You got a bit heavy on the thinner branches that's all but the general layout of the tree was excellent. What you can do is if a twig ends up being to heavy you can negative paint untill you make it hair strand thin.

sannew
04-05-2011, 09:25 AM
Thanks, Johannes.

sannew
04-05-2011, 10:14 AM
My other exercise:

jfwalton
04-05-2011, 10:38 AM
Johannes, you have made a difference in my work. I did apply the modeling paste but did not Gesso. Will do that in the future as it was a problem toning the canvas. I like what is happening and am trying to fill in solid colors. I find all sorts of things to correct and even though I have read books about these things, hearing you and seeing you demo sets it in my mind. I have always likened painting to driving a car. I can drive and do two other things at the same time, but I haven't passed my driver's test in painting!

thankful
04-05-2011, 01:26 PM
Hi Johannes,

Thanks for your instruction, demos and critiques. So valuable. Welcome any feedback and suggestions on this one.

June

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/58972-4-3_homework.jpg

robertsloan2
04-05-2011, 01:50 PM
My first go at the Winter Trees homework. I tried my new Inktense Blocks today, which are something like using watercolor pencils and something like pastels. I sketched it dry and then washed with a water brush, resulting in some hard edges where I was surprised to get them and some areas turning out darker than expected. Still overall it came out pretty interesting.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/70184-Class-Homework-Winter-Trees-Inktense-Blocks-1-April-5.jpg
Winter Trees I
3" x 4"
Derwent Inktense Blocks
Derwent soft cover journal, heavy white paper.
Photo reference by Johannes Vloothuis posted for Week 10 class assignment.

Jerry Bridgers
04-05-2011, 02:20 PM
This is my attempt at a naked, leafless, tree and a tree in the process of taking off it's clothes. There is no reference for the image.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/74643-Johannes_Bald_trees_4-3-11.jpg


My attempts at the leafed trees from an earlier assignment failed. I learned some facts about my acrylic medium.

First, it is stingy. I attempted to "borrow" some sky color and found that rapidly drying acrylics are stingy and do not loan colors!

Second, The idea of Carving out a space by pushing back the tree color did not work well - my tree was very belligerent and resisted any form of pushing or carving. I did dab a bit of still wet sky color for a "sky hole". The "Skyhole" looked more like I had placed a bandage over a recent wound.

I like the idea of painterly trees, but I can see that it takes a talent that I need a bit of extra work to perfect.

Fortunately , I am a Piddler-of-Paints, not an artist.

mcbru
04-05-2011, 02:33 PM
Here is my homework. The attempt was to create many planes, have melodic lines, interesting abstract shapes, and to varigate my colors. I'm going to wait on the 2 x 2 inch squares until I practice the concepts more. WOW, I haven't had this much fun painting in years. :clap: :clap: :clap:
C & C Welcome as always.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/57396-spring_runoff.jpg

Kurlie
04-05-2011, 05:26 PM
Here are my attempts at both Fall and Winter trees. These were painted under duress...painting along with a six year old grand-dter, trying to teach what I think I learned from Live class:D 681985

681986

Both done on 4 x 6 canvas paper..unknown source and a imited palette.Thanks for looking...C&C ok.... :) Kurlie

34pat9
04-05-2011, 06:36 PM
jfwalton - just beautiful! Pat

BarbB
04-05-2011, 08:29 PM
Everyone has such lovely paintings. I feel that mine is too "yellow and orange". I like the tree that is losing it's leaves but the rest, I think that I could had done something different in colors. I mostly had the hardest time with the grassy area. Pastels on #800 paper, 9" by 12"

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/722862-winter_trees_1.JPG
Also, I don't know why my camera is always blurry. It isn't that way with objects or outside. I have had the camera for several years but......oh well.

murphe
04-05-2011, 11:18 PM
Pastel attempt on size A4, tiziano (wet it to try to make a background wash tint for the sky/water which explains the bumps.) I really should look at the original photo instead of just looking at my earlier attempt. :o
The colours are a bit off as it's under incandescent light again.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/218876-36cut.jpg

beejane
04-06-2011, 08:44 AM
Thanks for the great lessons last weekend. So much of what you were teaching was what I had been missing. I especially have had trouble with winter trees because nobody at past workshops I've taken addressed that problem, or gave solutions other than "watch me paint for three hours and then go out and paint something and I'll come around and check in an hour or two." There are good points to workshops, including a good one I took from Ian Roberts of "Mastering Composition", a fellow Canadian (who has a workshop this spring near Georgian Bay, http://www.ianroberts.us/workshops_masteringComposition.htm,) and who got me to look forward to plein air painting, but this method of sitting and learning how to put the paint on the canvas has finally given me techniques to solve problems.
So I went out yesterday and took a photo on a grey day;
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/99014-020.JPG

and did a practise of winter trees. There are a lot of problems still, but at least I have a method of approach, which includes drawing the shape, filling in with sky colour and then putting the outside branches in loosely and adding the arms of the clock.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/99014-004.JPG

The sky is lighter than the water in real, but I did forget to start with a tone darker water than sky. I'll do this again and see if I can improve. In this area of Ontario, the landscape is totally flat. This is actually a widened drainage ditch so it's very straight and is regularly dredged. I have trouble here with a lack of background, so end up with the sky and water making an wasp waist shape, V and inverted V, which I hate. Any solutions?

Johannes Instructor
04-06-2011, 09:50 AM
Please be patient with your submissions. I prefer to address them in the web class on Saturday.

RSBell
04-06-2011, 10:49 AM
Hi Johannes Enjoyed your painting demo Sunday. very inspiring. I have attached my rendition of this water and winter tree scene. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/217303-Late-Winter-Shoreline.jpg

marionh
04-06-2011, 11:39 AM
3 winter tree studies
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/42113-005_800x600.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/42113-007_800x600.JPG

pat-trew
04-06-2011, 01:13 PM
acrylic and water color pencil. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/105243-DSCN0690.JPG

pjreads
04-06-2011, 01:57 PM
acrylic and water color pencil. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/105243-DSCN0690.JPG

Your tree has a wonderfully entrancing stance!

ecobb
04-06-2011, 02:48 PM
Winter trees.
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=682067&stc=1&d=1302115685

sue burke
04-06-2011, 03:20 PM
This is my first attempt at winter trees. Fun exercise!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/4226-winter_edited-1.jpg

Also, I know it's late; but, here's my summer tree:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/4226-tree_study_1.jpg

Natalia_Boot
04-06-2011, 04:51 PM
HOMEWORK for Week 10 - Winter Trees

My Plum tree - view from kitchen window. Painted on canvas board.

pat-trew
04-06-2011, 05:05 PM
Your tree has a wonderfully entrancing stance!

Thank you very much, Pat Trewern

shbezaire
04-06-2011, 05:29 PM
Hi Johannes,

Although your entire Sunday demo was great - the extended tree branch you did at the end was very helpful to me - so I added it to my winter tree scene. Do you have time to also demo a winter snow scene before our sessions end? I loved the one you put up a few weeks ago, but would learn more watching you paint it! As always, appreciate the critique,
Susi
Fine Artwww.SusiHavensBezaire.com (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/www.SusiHavensBezaire.com)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/308661-IMG_0030.JPG

LadyMadonna
04-06-2011, 07:24 PM
I hated the first watercolour effort I did, so I went at it again after buying some new paper which I found made a big difference in the painting and my frustration level as I am new to watercolour painting. I did a different scene this time and added a human \ dog focal point..not sure if it worked but I think my winter trees improved.
Johannes is my judge and jury on that one !!

gardenart
04-06-2011, 07:35 PM
Everyone is doing such an amazing job on their trees.:clap: :clap:
I worked on the first one forever it seems and still not satisfied. THE other I did guickly and like it better. Anxious to get feedback this weekend to see if Johannes thinks we are learning, I sure feel like I am.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/214425-tree_study.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/214425-tree_study_bare.jpg

Thanks Johannes. BTW these are both watercolors.
Sue

luicre
04-06-2011, 07:49 PM
Hi, Johannes.

This is my very firsttry at landscapes.I have done from memory what you painted at Sunday`s demo. It`s not good but I have enjoyed it at lot.

Thank you very much.

Pastels on Fabriano yellow paper. ( I need more earthy tones `s pastels)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/152682-johanes_lanscape.jpg


Saludos

Luicre

BarbB
04-06-2011, 08:16 PM
I realized that I have put this one on here already BUT I made changes. I really didn't like the way it looked and the bottom left corner and middle really lacked something. Then I remembered what Johannes said about another painting with a waterfall and a log. If you can justify why you put something in a space then it is okay. So, I put a log in this space that has been bothering me. I am liking it so much better now!! I still think that I need to tone the log down. This is pastels on #800 paper.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/722862-winter_trees_2.jpg
Also, I think that this is a better photo than the other one I took.

mlgk
04-06-2011, 09:33 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/161785-WC-winter-trees Probably could use some more hard edges

Kurlie
04-06-2011, 10:29 PM
This is interesting to see this variety of paintings done on the same topic. All levels of skill and progress. There is something for everyone to like. I look forward to the critiques that Johannes does for this week. Now, back to my unfinished landscape.... :-) Kurlie

valh
04-06-2011, 10:30 PM
Here is my homework for week 10, attached. I enjoyed painting the leafless winter tree, even tho' I always swore I wouldn't do any 'winter' scenes. Lord know we gots 'nuff winter without actually painting it on purpose! <gbg>

Here are some things I've learned (besides what you've taught us):
-I need to use more paint. Man what a cheapo with the tubes....
-I need to loosen up and be bolder.
-Flats are very nice to use and filberts not so great; even tho' they have their uses.
-ASOD (abstract shape obsession disorder); I have it

Cheers
Val

domeland
04-06-2011, 11:34 PM
My winter tree homework. Done in pastels. I'm not sure I like working in pastels. They are quite different and some what difficult to get use too. I think I need to go back to using acrylics or oils.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/812842-pastel.JPG

hungariancontessa
04-07-2011, 07:53 AM
Hi Johannes,
I read that your not looking at this thread very much, but thought that I would put this one on just in case.
Oil on canvas pad- 8x8
Best to you,
Patricia:wave:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/145129-down_the_road.jpg

NeldaJansen
04-07-2011, 11:30 AM
Hi fellow students, and Johannes:

This is my second attempt at the homework for the winter trees. I'm seeing things now that need to be corrected, but overall, I'm pretty happy with it. The "bush twigs" need to be more varied and I have to figure out a way to break the "wall" of foreground. Done from one of the provided photos.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/84957-Winter_Trees.jpg

Thanks for all your wonderful instruction, Johannes. We really are getting so much out of it.

Best,
Nel

BarbB
04-07-2011, 11:37 AM
I think that I have ASOD as well. Haha.

sherrysherman
04-07-2011, 01:40 PM
Winter trees. I went to my painting group - took my laptop so I could see the reference photos.... and then remembered that I can't get internet there. :) So I searched my own photo refs and found what I had thought was a pretty boring winter scene. With what I'm learning, I just did what I wanted with the photo - created planes, moved trees, added color, modified edges and shapes.... what the heck.

Pastel on Canson, 12x16.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/616112-winter_trees_2-rev800.jpg

elsie50
04-07-2011, 01:45 PM
Here is my homework, pastel pencil and carbon pencil. They look a bit grainy, think it is my camera.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/142124-hOMEWORK_2_Small.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/142124-HOMEWORK_1_Small.jpg

painterted
04-07-2011, 02:11 PM
Sherry, Elsie, beautiful jobs.


I took a whole lot of artistic license with this one. I'm having a lot of problems with the low bush, but I fell like it's coming.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/909312-P4060015.JPG

LAyers
04-07-2011, 02:13 PM
Another attempt. I usually use watercolours but this is my first ever attempt at pastels. I gotta say, it looks better if one steps back a bit.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/120844-first_pastel.jpg

robertsloan2
04-07-2011, 03:21 PM
Another go with the Inktense Blocks, this time using them both wet and dry. They do handle a lot like pastels. I messed up a bit on the area of land under the tree and even though I fixed it, somewhat lost my musical lines, also the color got too strong after the fixing and became overworked. Very frustrating, it looked better before I put down some mustard color and then removed it and had to redo it. But here it is.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/70184-4-7-2011-Winter-Tree-II-Class-Homework.jpg
Winter Tree II
4 1/2" x 6 1/2" approx.
Derwent Inktense Blocks washed and dry
Derwent Soft Cover Journal heavy white paper.
Photo reference by Johannes Vloothuis for Landscape from Photos class.

34pat9
04-07-2011, 05:35 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/122241-Copy_of_Vloothuis.JPG

jfwalton
04-07-2011, 06:12 PM
What a challenge! I continually kept cloning and had to correct. I cloned everything. Never realized that before...so much to think about continually, values, edges, etc. Hard work but hopefully it will get into my brain. :)

pat-trew
04-07-2011, 06:53 PM
This is a WIP, as the oil is too wet to do much more. I do have to move that center tree most likely take it out. So here goes for now.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/105243-DSCN0701.JPG

B4painter
04-07-2011, 07:32 PM
Here's my trees, looks a lot better than this picture...wonder why my camera didn't work so well? maybe because of the shine of the oil paint?

BumpaBob
04-07-2011, 09:33 PM
Hi Jo:
Well, here goes, my winter tree and the pond:
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=682157&stc=1&d=1302226216
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=682158&stc=1&d=1302226216

After reviewing Robert's notes, I can see everything I did wrong! Unfortunately I had to miss the Sunday presentation but I will be there this week. Looking forward (!!) to your comments. bob.c

surob
04-07-2011, 10:24 PM
Very nice work everyone!!!!! I'm jumping in with my eyes closed. I can't believe how difficult it is to put all of the things that I am learning on the canvas. 8X10 acrylic on canvas board. Will be jazzing up the boards with modeling paste from now on.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/100874-wintertreeex.jpg

Johannes Instructor
04-07-2011, 11:20 PM
Hi Johannes,
I read that your not looking at this thread very much, but thought that I would put this one on just in case.
Oil on canvas pad- 8x8
Best to you,
Patricia:wave:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/145129-down_the_road.jpg I am looking at it daily but I typed two messages in this thread that I will address the submissions during class on Saturday. I would prefer to work on some with photoshop. These submissions will not be ignored. Your painting is absolutely abstractly designed and has pleasant shapes.

Eddypus1
04-08-2011, 08:09 AM
Here is my homework, pastel pencil and carbon pencil. They look a bit grainy, think it is my camera.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/142124-hOMEWORK_2_Small.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/142124-HOMEWORK_1_Small.jpg


Love your technique. :thumbsup: Never thought of sketching with pastel pencils. How do you keep them from smudging off and what kind of paper do you sketch on?

elsie50
04-08-2011, 12:14 PM
Hi Eddypus1, thank you for your comments, not quite sure if I am replying to you properly, but hope you see this... I am not sure that I ever get away without smudging Lol I think the trick is to move your fingers, rather than you hand when drawing, I sometimes put a piece of clean paper under my hand... I used a heavy Cartridge Paper, but if I am doing something a bit more involved, I use Bristol Board smooth paper ,..

painterted
04-08-2011, 12:31 PM
I tried to paint this a little closer to the cropped picture.

ted


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/909312-winter2.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/909312-P4070015_2.JPG

gverickson
04-08-2011, 12:51 PM
This is the first time I have submitted homework. I have been doing watercolors for just over 2 years - no art previous to that time. I have been watching the classes since the first part of February and have learned so much. Thanks. I did the tree using a mix of ultramarine blue & burnt sienna. The background is much whiter than it shows in the picture.
JerryE

beart
04-08-2011, 01:16 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/88528-Homework_Apr_7th.jpg
Okay, I had to hurry this up and you can tell it but I thought I would add it anyway. It looked better until I took a photo and it is flashy. It looked so much darker here in the house. I think I was trying to hard to make it similar to yours. I give it a D+ as I would not sign it. :lol: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/images/smilies/lol5.gif

N.Ramchandran
04-08-2011, 02:21 PM
Here is my Homework of the Winter Tree Demo.
This is my second attempt as the first one turned muddy.
But there still is a long way to go!

deanster04
04-08-2011, 02:29 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/75724-FotoSketcher_-_SDC10315.jpg


here is my tree im working on.

karan55
04-08-2011, 03:02 PM
Here is my practice winter tree; WC on 5X7. I ran out of room so I am off the edge on both sides. I was going to just leave it as a tree study, but some how I just kept painting. I wanted it to look like the tree was up on a hill top with pines way off in distance......did't really get that?

Question? Is there some rule for where (or how high up) as far as value changes occur, behind the tree trunks. I did not like the fact that my value change is close to where my branches start. There were so many negative spaces/shapes to address....I actually got lost in it and ended chomping and chomping where the pines and hillside came together.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/214054-IMG_3381.jpg

rib00
04-08-2011, 03:41 PM
I think I am getting it as far as the winter tree and using the right brain. Not sure I am happy with the values in the river scene.

ninasart
04-08-2011, 03:59 PM
682203Johannes has helped with painting willow trees which I have struggled with for a long time. Thanks, Johannes.

little miss sunshine
04-08-2011, 04:06 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/867242-Winter_Tree.jpg Bare tree study in watercolor

CatinVT
04-08-2011, 05:00 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/147827-Winter_Trees.jpg

I realize that the value of the fence is too dark. - Cathy

Eddypus1
04-08-2011, 05:17 PM
Hi Eddypus1, thank you for your comments, not quite sure if I am replying to you properly, but hope you see this... I am not sure that I ever get away without smudging Lol I think the trick is to move your fingers, rather than you hand when drawing, I sometimes put a piece of clean paper under my hand... I used a heavy Cartridge Paper, but if I am doing something a bit more involved, I use Bristol Board smooth paper ,..

Thanks Elsie, I'm going to sharpen my pencils and give it a try this weekend:wave:

sherrysherman
04-08-2011, 05:39 PM
oops, just realized I needed to modify this painting before I post it...

Eddypus1
04-08-2011, 05:50 PM
Well, um, since we're doing bare trees, I added one into the painting I submitted earlier (top of page 5). I don't know if it's better or worse with it. So.... (a) how's the tree? (b) how's the painting as a whole?

(And it's still pastel on Canson, 12x16).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/616112-winter_trees_3_w_dead_tree-rev800.jpg

Hi Sherry, I like this version better. To me it ads a focal point and carries my eye into the scene. Although the first version was lovely, my eye stayed on the mass in the left foreground. but perhaps that was your intent?

sherrysherman
04-08-2011, 07:10 PM
I posted this a little over an hour ago, then realized I hadn't put any tree reflections in the water, so deleted it (within my 60 minutes). Didn't get the changes done (and photographed, grrr) in time, so here 'tis again, in a new post.

I've added a bare tree to the painting I posted earlier (top of page 5 of this thread). Questions are: (a) how's the tree? and (b) how's the painting with the tree?

(thanks for offering your opinion, Eddypus. No, my intention was not to focus on those left bright trees. The bad color - kind of intense - in the prior photo didn't help!)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/616112-winter_trees_4_w_dead_tree-rev.jpg

etdavis6
04-08-2011, 07:18 PM
I did a bare tree in water color, trying to apply what I've been learning. The winter scene is a bit of a challenge for me now, but I'll try that in the near future.:o Comments are greatly appreciated!:clap:

I've also uploaded JV's photo of a bare tree (cropped a little) which was my reference, and also a desaturated view of the watercolor.

Beth

Sheri Hammond
04-08-2011, 08:29 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/678462-DSC07226_edited-2.jpg_resized

Johannes Instructor
04-08-2011, 08:39 PM
Please don't think I am ignoring you all. I will address your submissions in the webinar and if I miss any I will get to them on Monday. What I need is to work on them while you watch so you remember the improvments better.

jmcedeno
04-08-2011, 09:48 PM
Johannes I'm submitting the Winter Trees exercise, hope you can review it tomorrow, it is a 9x12 Watercolor on 140# Winsor & Newton paper. BTW, I ordered "Powerful Watercolor Landscapes", and "Brushwork Essentials". See "Ya"http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/159973-Winter_Street_Scene-IMG_0242.jpg tomorrow.

99country
04-08-2011, 10:29 PM
Johannes, I have learned no much from you with these classes & haven't missed any.....here is my work in oil for winter trees.....thanks!!!

Kurlie
04-08-2011, 11:34 PM
:lol: Guess who got a "rigger" brush??:lol: I didn't have one and haven't used one, so I got myself a rigger just for this week's homework. Can you tell I like it, lots? http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/187427-Winter_Landscape_LT_1cS.jpg
Hope you like it :o I used one of the photos from the class ....C&C always welcome. :) Kurlie

little miss sunshine
04-08-2011, 11:52 PM
When I fiished I saw "Worms" formed by the purple shrubs. There are so many things to think about. When one concept is solved another problem area comes into play.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/867242-Autum_Trees_Cropped.jpg

raxu
04-09-2011, 04:19 AM
Ooops, I have trouble of understanding why winter trees should have kind of leaves, did them anyway. Here some studies, I am not amused or pleased about the result. Will keep on exercising, for not producing sling shots, clones & co :o

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0938.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0939.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0935.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0940.jpg

Looking forward to the next lessons...

Holly B.
04-09-2011, 10:31 AM
Hi Johannes; my homework which i feel like making excuses for but just have to always be a learner and having fun.
Thanks for all your wonderful help!

elisamaria
04-09-2011, 10:35 AM
My winter trees from Johannes´s ref photo.
Elisabeth

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/735472-P1040037.JPG

*Deirdre*
04-09-2011, 12:44 PM
I really don't paint a lot being happier with a pastel or pencil...but I tried, scraped it off several times...not happy yet...but time ran out...oils on gessoed cardboard. |takes soo long to dry!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/33616-jvhomework10.jpg

surob
04-09-2011, 12:51 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/100874-baretree.jpg

sue burke
04-09-2011, 01:06 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/4226-IMG_2033_edited-2.jpg

Still have a little work to do on this painting; but, wanted to get it in the winter tree homework. It's 16 x 20 acrylic on board.

Johannes Instructor
04-09-2011, 01:16 PM
Johannes I'm submitting the Winter Trees exercise, hope you can review it tomorrow, it is a 9x12 Watercolor on 140# Winsor & Newton paper. BTW, I ordered "Powerful Watercolor Landscapes", and "Brushwork Essentials". See "Ya"http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/159973-Winter_Street_Scene-IMG_0242.jpg tomorrow.

Oh my Gosh! How beautiful! Joe you are getting really scary. If this goes on I will be out of a job soon. Wow!! Just your grass look pruned at the right mud bank but that's the only thing I would change. Still I insist anything you put in backgrounds, especially if it is behind a building WET ON WET. Those winter trees are awesome.

Johannes Instructor
04-09-2011, 01:18 PM
I really don't paint a lot being happier with a pastel or pencil...but I tried, scraped it off several times...not happy yet...but time ran out...oils on gessoed cardboard. |takes soo long to dry!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/33616-jvhomework10.jpg
It is so nice to see wet on wet in a watercolor! I think we could've done a bit more with the very far back ground so the line would be more interesting by creating more predominant protrusions and indentations.

pjreads
04-09-2011, 01:40 PM
I posted this a little over an hour ago, then realized I hadn't put any tree reflections in the water, so deleted it (within my 60 minutes). Didn't get the changes done (and photographed, grrr) in time, so here 'tis again, in a new post.

I've added a bare tree to the painting I posted earlier (top of page 5 of this thread). Questions are: (a) how's the tree? and (b) how's the painting with the tree?

(thanks for offering your opinion, Eddypus. No, my intention was not to focus on those left bright trees. The bad color - kind of intense - in the prior photo didn't help!)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/616112-winter_trees_4_w_dead_tree-rev.jpg

Sherry,
It's a beautiful painting, but shouldn't the tree reflection come straight down toward the viewer?

Alta Imp
04-09-2011, 02:16 PM
Not quite finished with the banks as I see now, they look cloned. Didn't get the sun in yet or the ripples in the water.
Oil on canvas board 8X10

jakter
04-09-2011, 02:24 PM
I painted a tree in my backyardhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/61849-challenge_winter_tree.jpg

sherrysherman
04-09-2011, 02:26 PM
Sherry,
It's a beautiful painting, but shouldn't the tree reflection come straight down toward the viewer?

Thanks for your comment. Actually, a semi-vertical line - one that is tipped to one side - will reflect that way. In a sense, this IS the reflection coming straight down-- the lowest part of the trunk reflects directly under it, that is farther right. Higher up, the upper part of the trunk, which is farther left, also reflects directly under it, which will be farther to the left. That is how reflections work. A curved line will curve in the reflection. Like a mirror.

Hope that made sense. :)

Tresgatos
04-09-2011, 02:29 PM
Didn't do a full painting but here are some practice pieces

Barbara


Watercolor


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/113757-WATERCOLOR_WINTER_TREE.jpg


Acrylic

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/113757-ACRYLIC_-_WINTER_TREE.jpg



Acrylic

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/113757-ACRYLIC_PINE_TREE_WITH_SNOW.jpg


Some other practice pieces

Acrylic

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/113757-ACRYLIC_-_FULL_TREE.jpg


Watercolor

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/113757-WATERCOLOR_PINE_TREE.jpg


Watercolor

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/113757-WATERCOLOR_TREE.jpg

judyfilarecki
04-09-2011, 02:48 PM
The mesquite tree in my front yard

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/190342-tree_limbs.jpg

pat-trew
04-09-2011, 02:51 PM
Still working on this. took the centered tree out, Painting had an accident, it fell over onto the palette, so i had to remove the globs of paint, now have to wait for the spots to dry so i can paint over .http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/105243-DSCN0703.JPG

sherrysherman
04-09-2011, 02:59 PM
Still working on this. took the centered tree out, Painting had an accident, it fell over onto the palette, so i had to remove the globs of paint, now have to wait for the spots to dry so i can paint over .
Not to be cruel, but.... LOL! Poor painting. :(

kittierue
04-09-2011, 03:08 PM
Had a hard time with this, but here goes. These are watercolor.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/222668-tree_shapes_003_110405.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/222668-tree_shapes_004_110405.jpg

brookstream
04-09-2011, 03:24 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/315801-A.jpg

Dharma_bum
04-09-2011, 03:36 PM
Not finished, but trying to get in on time. Edges should be softer in farthest tree line especially.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/41430-P1030678.jpg

Dan

N.Ramchandran
04-09-2011, 04:08 PM
My earlier submission was very fuzzy as it was not tweeked.
I have tweeked it with Photoshop to show the actual colors and tones as in the paintings.

smsmith
04-09-2011, 04:28 PM
This is my 1st attempt at watercolors.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/954392-blueknob.jpg

*Deirdre*
04-09-2011, 05:11 PM
It is so nice to see wet on wet in a watercolor! I think we could've done a bit more with the very far back ground so the line would be more interesting by creating more predominant protrusions and indentations.
I'm astonished...I thought about watercolours...but decided it was too difficult, so I used Oils...never dreaming it would look or could look like a watercolour!:D

pjreads
04-09-2011, 07:32 PM
Thanks for your comment. Actually, a semi-vertical line - one that is tipped to one side - will reflect that way. In a sense, this IS the reflection coming straight down-- the lowest part of the trunk reflects directly under it, that is farther right. Higher up, the upper part of the trunk, which is farther left, also reflects directly under it, which will be farther to the left. That is how reflections work. A curved line will curve in the reflection. Like a mirror.

Hope that made sense. :)

I'm not sure now. I thought I was beginning to understand reflections in water after noticing the reflections in a small man-made "lake" in a local park -- one that it's possible to walk around. My observation was that depending on my position the reflections did not always lay in the same direction (like looking at a shadow from different positions would). Instead, the reflections were always oriented down in the water toward my view point.

So, I thought that only a viewer on the bank opposite the tree would see the tree reflection in the direction in your painting. But I'll have to look for a tree leaning over the water and see how it works.

pat-trew
04-09-2011, 07:47 PM
Not to be cruel, but.... LOL! Poor painting. :(

My feelings exactly, maybe the falling into the paint was a sign. I may just start this over, not happy with it at all. The closest thing I painted to a landscape is under water scenes with fish, dolphins. corals etc.
Thanks for the lol, Pat Trewern

sherrysherman
04-09-2011, 08:09 PM
I'm not sure now. I thought I was beginning to understand reflections in water after noticing the reflections in a small man-made "lake" in a local park -- one that it's possible to walk around. My observation was that depending on my position the reflections did not always lay in the same direction (like looking at a shadow from different positions would). Instead, the reflections were always oriented down in the water toward my view point.

So, I thought that only a viewer on the bank opposite the tree would see the tree reflection in the direction in your painting. But I'll have to look for a tree leaning over the water and see how it works.
I saw one today that was a cluster of three trunks (or 3 trees?) going up, respectively leftish, center, and rightish, and that's what the reflection did too - angled leftish, straight down, and angled rightish. I'd be interested if you observe something different.

Now if you have a tree leaning TOWARD you out over water or AWAY from you, there's a rule about the length of the reflection -- but shoot, I see people saying take license and make it as long or short as fits the composition. Some physical rules you can break artistically, some you can't - I guess some are just more noticeable and disturbing to viewers. For example, I'd be troubled by a painting if shadows went every which way (assuming only one light source).

As for shadows - their visual direction WOULD change as you move, wouldn't they? I mean, if you're on one side of the tree, its shadow would go left of the tree. If you walked around to the other side, the shadow would go to the right. I think I'm not understanding what you mean. :confused:

Johannes Instructor
04-09-2011, 08:36 PM
Not finished, but trying to get in on time. Edges should be softer in farthest tree line especially.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/41430-P1030678.jpg

Dan

Good shapes happening here but I would start warming up the closer trees and leave the lavendar for the back grounds.

pjreads
04-09-2011, 09:24 PM
I saw one today that was a cluster of three trunks (or 3 trees?) going up, respectively leftish, center, and rightish, and that's what the reflection did too - angled leftish, straight down, and angled rightish. I'd be interested if you observe something different.

Now if you have a tree leaning TOWARD you out over water or AWAY from you, there's a rule about the length of the reflection -- but shoot, I see people saying take license and make it as long or short as fits the composition. Some physical rules you can break artistically, some you can't - I guess some are just more noticeable and disturbing to viewers. For example, I'd be troubled by a painting if shadows went every which way (assuming only one light source).

As for shadows - their visual direction WOULD change as you move, wouldn't they? I mean, if you're on one side of the tree, its shadow would go left of the tree. If you walked around to the other side, the shadow would go to the right. I think I'm not understanding what you mean. :confused:

About shadows ... I meant the place and shape of the shadow in relation to everything else versus what happens to reflections as the viewer's position changes

About reflections ... this picture on flikr may give you an idea of what I mean
http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidkoiter/4538047814/

Artistic license ... definitely agree!

Johannes Instructor
04-09-2011, 09:42 PM
Good shapes happening here but I would start warming up the closer trees and leave the lavendar for the back grounds.
Some reflections in the water will avoid the land from appearing that it is floating.

Johannes Instructor
04-09-2011, 09:44 PM
Not finished, but trying to get in on time. Edges should be softer in farthest tree line especially.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/41430-P1030678.jpg

Dan
Good shapes happening here but I would start warming up the closer trees and leave the lavendar for the back grounds.
Some reflections in the water will avoid the land from appearing that it is floating.

sherrysherman
04-09-2011, 09:56 PM
About shadows ... I meant the place and shape of the shadow in relation to everything else versus what happens to reflections as the viewer's position changes

About reflections ... this picture on flikr may give you an idea of what I mean
http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidkoiter/4538047814/

Artistic license ... definitely agree!
Wow, that is a perfect example of what I was saying - slanted tree, slanted reflection. Like a mirror. Exactly.

I think I see what you meant - shadows fall on the ground where they fall, regardless of viewpoint. (Although what they LOOK like - their shape - does depend on viewpoint.) Reflections are NOT "there" regardless of viewpoint. Even their name says it - it's about what gets reflected into an eye. Without the eye, there's no reflection. ("If a tree falls in a forest...") With chopped up water, there's no reflection, because no surface to reflect FROM.

But in any event, the photo you found on flickr says it all. Thanks for the reference.

pjreads
04-10-2011, 12:19 AM
Wow, that is a perfect example of what I was saying - slanted tree, slanted reflection. Like a mirror. Exactly.

I think I see what you meant - shadows fall on the ground where they fall, regardless of viewpoint. (Although what they LOOK like - their shape - does depend on viewpoint.) Reflections are NOT "there" regardless of viewpoint. Even their name says it - it's about what gets reflected into an eye. Without the eye, there's no reflection. ("If a tree falls in a forest...") With chopped up water, there's no reflection, because no surface to reflect FROM.

But in any event, the photo you found on flickr says it all. Thanks for the reference.

Communication ... yes!! :clap:
A picture is worth a thousand words ... maybe several thousand of mine.:D

I did think of a better way of saying what I meant: The reflection is always in the part of the water that's between you and the tree.

(You're right about shadow shapes depending on viewpoint. I was trying to make the point that shadows stay still while reflections appear to move with you.)

brookstream
04-10-2011, 12:21 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/315801-A.jpg

What in the world? I didn't post this in this thread...I posted this:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/315801-AA.jpg

Ah...they had the same file name...oh well. Edit: the top one was a rock before...ugh...puters.

sherrysherman
04-10-2011, 01:14 AM
Communication ... yes!! :clap:

I did think of a better way of saying what I meant: The reflection is always in the part of the water that's between you and the tree.
Agreed. If there's no water between you and the tree, there's no way for a reflection to bounce to your eye. But this can be tricky. For instance, there might be no water between your eye and the BASE of the tree, but a higher up part might be reflected because it tips beyond the shore. Oh shoot, too hard to explain without being able to draw it. Never mind. :rolleyes:

(You're right about shadow shapes depending on viewpoint. I was trying to make the point that shadows stay still while reflections appear to move with you.)
Gotcha. :wink2:

But going back to what started all of this... do you see how my slanted tree would reflect slanted in the water and not straight down?

Hey, I just went back and looked at my painting and want to check this possible point of confusion with you: On my painting (close to bottom of page 6), the REFLECTION is lightish in color (like the tree) and is BELOW the tree, slanted to the left. The DARK streak going sideways ACROSS the water is the shadow of the tree on the surface of the water. Does that help? :) :) :)

Johannes Instructor
04-10-2011, 09:18 AM
What in the world? I didn't post this in this thread...I posted this:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/315801-AA.jpg

Ah...they had the same file name...oh well. Edit: the top one was a rock before...ugh...puters.
Next time try to simplify. You don't need as many branches to make the statement.

brookstream
04-10-2011, 10:19 AM
Thanks for the tip!

pjreads
04-10-2011, 01:13 PM
Agreed. If there's no water between you and the tree, there's no way for a reflection to bounce to your eye. But this can be tricky. For instance, there might be no water between your eye and the BASE of the tree, but a higher up part might be reflected because it tips beyond the shore. Oh shoot, too hard to explain without being able to draw it. Never mind. :rolleyes:


Gotcha. :wink2:

But going back to what started all of this... do you see how my slanted tree would reflect slanted in the water and not straight down?

Hey, I just went back and looked at my painting and want to check this possible point of confusion with you: On my painting (close to bottom of page 6), the REFLECTION is lightish in color (like the tree) and is BELOW the tree, slanted to the left. The DARK streak going sideways ACROSS the water is the shadow of the tree on the surface of the water. Does that help? :) :) :)

:eek: OH ... yes, I was looking at the shadow.

Thanks for the discussion, though ... it helped to talk about what I'd observed.

sherrysherman
04-10-2011, 01:58 PM
:eek: OH ... yes, I was looking at the shadow.

Thanks for the discussion, though ... it helped to talk about what I'd observed.
It's funny - it seemed like we both had the same understanding of reflections and shadows, so I just couldn't understand why you made your original comment (that the reflection should be coming "straight down"). THEN when I suddenly had this moment of clarity - about what might have led to the confusion - it was kind of exciting. <hehehe> Yay, issue resolved!! :D

blarkin
04-10-2011, 02:42 PM
Hi Jo - I hope you're still willing to look at these as i didn't get a chance to try one until today!! Any input is appreciated!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2011/86145-IMG_6690.JPG

Johannes Instructor
04-10-2011, 08:07 PM
Hi Jo - I hope you're still willing to look at these as i didn't get a chance to try one until today!! Any input is appreciated!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2011/86145-IMG_6690.JPG
The leafless tree on the right looks great. The one on the left looks heavy on the twigs. As a general safe practice try not repeat on one side of the painting what you did on another side.

tedzart
04-10-2011, 11:35 PM
Sorry to be late with my homework. I have so much enjoyed the classes. I will miss our classes and all the wonderful secrets. You and your staff have done such a great job. Hope you will be sharing more treasures with us in the near future.
I think my winter trees painting became more of a fall scene and some of my greens need more yellow ochre.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2011/180589-DSCF9433800.jpg

Here are some of my practice trees. They are fun and quick to do.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2011/180589-DSCF9435800.jpg
And one more.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2011/180589-DSCF9436800.jpg

Johannes Instructor
04-11-2011, 07:47 AM
Sorry to be late with my homework. I have so much enjoyed the classes. I will miss our classes and all the wonderful secrets. You and your staff have done such a great job. Hope you will be sharing more treasures with us in the near future.
I think my winter trees painting became more of a fall scene and some of my greens need more yellow ochre.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2011/180589-DSCF9433800.jpg

Here are some of my practice trees. They are fun and quick to do.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2011/180589-DSCF9435800.jpg
And one more.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Apr-2011/180589-DSCF9436800.jpg
Lovely work! Only the bottom tree you got heavy in one of the tree branches and remember to use lost and found. If we make the contour of the tree with broken dry brush effect too overstated it gets tiring. It is comibination of both bleeding edges, then more of a curve feeling then dry brushing that makes them look good. Also you could vary the colors more in the tree so it doesn't look monochromatic. See sample below.

jfwalton
04-11-2011, 11:39 AM
I know you are extremely busy but would like some remarks about this painting that I posted early last week. Thanks so much, I have learned so much from your webinar and purchased books.

Johannes Instructor
04-11-2011, 01:05 PM
I know you are extremely busy but would like some remarks about this painting that I posted early last week. Thanks so much, I have learned so much from your webinar and purchased books.
If ou dry brush the tops of those leafless tree they will look much better. keep the value a bit lighter than the branches.

jfwalton
04-11-2011, 01:16 PM
Thank you very much.

sherrysherman
04-11-2011, 01:38 PM
Johannes, thank you so much for your comments about my winter trees - both for your compliments and for your suggestions as to improving it. Trust me on this - you are not out of a job as far as i am concerned! I am mostly self-taught -- and for a long time never tried landscapes because I felt I couldn't make them exciting. ONLY if I had a wonderful photo - then by duplicating it pretty well (plus trying to make it painterly) I could make an attractive landscape. I am finally learning how to make a decent landscape from an "imperfect" photo!

Even in so-called classes, comments about what, how, and why to improve my paintings were rare. So that's why I'm a sponge now!

On my trees, I brushed most of the reddish pastel off the left tree, changed its shape and type of tree. I think the color is more harmonious now. Also, I removed the little twig-branch leading out on the right. (I still have the curved branch. Tell me if you think I should take it out.) I wanted enough on the right side of the tree to balance its tilt.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Apr-2011/616112-winter_trees_5-rev800.jpg

Johannes Instructor
04-11-2011, 02:49 PM
Johannes, thank you so much for your comments about my winter trees - both for your compliments and for your suggestions as to improving it. Trust me on this - you are not out of a job as far as i am concerned! I am mostly self-taught -- and for a long time never tried landscapes because I felt I couldn't make them exciting. ONLY if I had a wonderful photo - then by duplicating it pretty well (plus trying to make it painterly) I could make an attractive landscape. I am finally learning how to make a decent landscape from an "imperfect" photo!

Even in so-called classes, comments about what, how, and why to improve my paintings were rare. So that's why I'm a sponge now!

On my trees, I brushed most of the reddish pastel off the left tree, changed its shape and type of tree. I think the color is more harmonious now. Also, I removed the little twig-branch leading out on the right. (I still have the curved branch. Tell me if you think I should take it out.) I wanted enough on the right side of the tree to balance its tilt.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Apr-2011/616112-winter_trees_5-rev800.jpg
Sherry see how it is looking better? Also the bush on the right can lose more green or how about this and you humor me. I want to see you do something. Erase those green bushes out completely and change them for any other hue in the orange or red orange family and post the picture again. You will learn instead color harmony as long as you remove green from the painting. I would really like you to try it. You may be very pleased with the results.

Johannes Instructor
04-11-2011, 02:58 PM
I know you are extremely busy but would like some remarks about this painting that I posted early last week. Thanks so much, I have learned so much from your webinar and purchased books.

Compare the two paintings. Which one do you feel looks best?

Alta Imp
04-12-2011, 12:00 PM
Hi Johannes,
I had previously submitted the winter trees homework rather unfinished as I didn't want it to be late (post #105) but noticed that you haven't had a chance to get to it yet so thought it would be okay to submit my finished one. Still not happy with it, just can't figure out why. Just want you to know that even though it doesn't look like I've learnt anything, I have...I have !! it is just the application of it that is wanting more practice to put it all to good use. Just started oil painting this year so have a long way to go. Thank you so much for the great classes.

Johannes Instructor
04-12-2011, 03:17 PM
Hi Johannes,
I had previously submitted the winter trees homework rather unfinished as I didn't want it to be late (post #105) but noticed that you haven't had a chance to get to it yet so thought it would be okay to submit my finished one. Still not happy with it, just can't figure out why. Just want you to know that even though it doesn't look like I've learnt anything, I have...I have !! it is just the application of it that is wanting more practice to put it all to good use. Just started oil painting this year so have a long way to go. Thank you so much for the great classes.
There is a balance issue that's why you are not happy. Add some weight to the left but never the same. One side needs to predominate.

Colorix
04-12-2011, 03:53 PM
Sorry to be late, again...

Didn't change the photo, as doing naked trees were challenge enough. Is it too contrived?

Pastel on pastelmat. There are hard edges here and there, but they do not show up in photo (too large painting).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Apr-2011/117343-Winter-Trees-j-C_Herczfeld.jpg

A detail (approx real size, depending on monitor):

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Apr-2011/117343-WT-detail.jpg

Johannes Instructor
04-12-2011, 04:22 PM
Sorry to be late, again...

Didn't change the photo, as doing naked trees were challenge enough. Is it too contrived?

Pastel on pastelmat. There are hard edges here and there, but they do not show up in photo (too large painting).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Apr-2011/117343-Winter-Trees-j-C_Herczfeld.jpg

A detail (approx real size, depending on monitor):

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Apr-2011/117343-WT-detail.jpg
you must be happy with that. I would add some warm ochres to the trees on the left as well. This is an example of a painting that does not need green.

blarkin
04-12-2011, 09:38 PM
Charlie, I really like how you handled the grassy places jutting into the water. I re did mine a couple times, and still wasn't happy with it.

Colorix
04-13-2011, 05:23 AM
Thank you, Johannes!

blarkin, nice job on your version, and you took charge of the photo and changed it! What I found really difficult was to make the ochres work on top of blue. It is ok if a tree stands out from the sky, but in the water, the patches of grass should lay down. The grass looked like it hovered over the water, until I put in transitional colours. The grass reflections in the water helped 'anchor' the grass, as it brought yellows into the violet-green-blue.

Johannes Instructor
04-13-2011, 08:04 AM
Thank you, Johannes!

blarkin, nice job on your version, and you took charge of the photo and changed it! What I found really difficult was to make the ochres work on top of blue. It is ok if a tree stands out from the sky, but in the water, the patches of grass should lay down. The grass looked like it hovered over the water, until I put in transitional colours. The grass reflections in the water helped 'anchor' the grass, as it brought yellows into the violet-green-blue.
You do it subtle. Willow trees here in Canada where I took that photokeep that yellow orange aspect during winter. I would add that instead of green to the area.

Johannes Instructor
04-13-2011, 08:09 AM
This is my 1st attempt at watercolors.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/954392-blueknob.jpg
I like to show two distinct sides to my buildings. One lighter in value than another. Your frosted trees look nice but I would've found a way to make them distinct from the background. Also I tend to add lots of warm hues into the frost at about a value 2 which is the next value to white. In my paintings I don't add green evergreens unless I have a way to echo it elsewhere in several areas. If you change that tree to a reddish brown the painting will have more color harmony.

Johannes Instructor
04-13-2011, 08:21 AM
Do you feel your eye flows better Charlotte? Also for all that reading. there is a good lesson on edges here. Notice how Charlotte defines the planed. The yellow tree has more distinct adges whereas as the background has diffused edges. Definitely we have 3D. Finally I added a hint of red orange to shift the flavor a bite. I really like the way this painting looks now. Honestly it would be hard to find many pastels that can beat this one.

Colorix
04-13-2011, 11:24 AM
Do you feel your eye flows better Charlotte? Also for all that reading. there is a good lesson on edges here. Notice how Charlotte defines the planed. The yellow tree has more distinct adges whereas as the background has diffused edges. Definitely we have 3D. Finally I added a hint of red orange to shift the flavor a bite. I really like the way this painting looks now. Honestly it would be hard to find many pastels that can beat this one.

Johannes, I really like what you did, it definitely solves the problem, thanks a lot! , as I was bothered by the flatness of the upright left plane, but hadn't figured out how to add volume without adding business of lots of trunks and limbs and twigs. Adding more foliage there rounds it out beautifully, and gets rid of what I felt was 'contrived' with the ochres too concentrated, too 'designed'. Oh, your trees keep foliage in winter? Ours don't.

Johannes Instructor
04-13-2011, 02:48 PM
Johannes, I really like what you did, it definitely solves the problem, thanks a lot! , as I was bothered by the flatness of the upright left plane, but hadn't figured out how to add volume without adding business of lots of trunks and limbs and twigs. Adding more foliage there rounds it out beautifully, and gets rid of what I felt was 'contrived' with the ochres too concentrated, too 'designed'. Oh, your trees keep foliage in winter? Ours don't.
It doesn't matter how things are there or here. What matters is if it is in the painting or not. Paintings are Alice in Wonderland creations. They have nothing to do with regions or local landscapes. The real world has nothing to do with the painting world. Look at Richard Mickinley's work. Nothing that he does is remotely what the real world is about. You were overstating the focal point and it needed to be diversified. Sorry if I sound strict but I really want to remove this idea that we need to rely on a real world scene for a painting and especially that we rely on a photo for a painting. Think of Hollywood. there is no logic whatsover. The bad guys are shooting at the good guys with machine guns and cannot hit them. The coincidences that happen in movies are way too far fetched to happen in the real world.

Colorix
04-13-2011, 04:45 PM
Johannes, this was an eye-opener, and I truly wasn't entirely happy with the painting (focal point overstated, right, I have that tendency), and I really like your photoshopping, it improved it. I really realized that what I perceive as reality has a strong grip on my mind. My mind, or left brain, was so sure that winter trees are bare so adding foliage was incoceivable, literally, I couldn't think about it, didn't even try. Seeing it done breaks down barriers I didn't even know I had. It opens up a whole new universe of possibilities. A magical fairy-land, where I can swing my pastel wand and make things up!

The only snag is that the brain will try to force me back into the groove, as it is easier to not change. The struggle isn't so much in the painting process, as in the changing inside of the mind.

So, do be strict with my homework, I'm here to learn, and to change! Just state it as clearly as you just did, with the Why included.

Johannes Instructor
04-13-2011, 09:07 PM
Johannes, this was an eye-opener, and I truly wasn't entirely happy with the painting (focal point overstated, right, I have that tendency), and I really like your photoshopping, it improved it. I really realized that what I perceive as reality has a strong grip on my mind. My mind, or left brain, was so sure that winter trees are bare so adding foliage was incoceivable, literally, I couldn't think about it, didn't even try. Seeing it done breaks down barriers I didn't even know I had. It opens up a whole new universe of possibilities. A magical fairy-land, where I can swing my pastel wand and make things up!

The only snag is that the brain will try to force me back into the groove, as it is easier to not change. The struggle isn't so much in the painting process, as in the changing inside of the mind.

So, do be strict with my homework, I'm here to learn, and to change! Just state it as clearly as you just did, with the Why included.
Oh I will be strict with you. You are too good for me not to. I suggest that you put the photo away once you done 75% of the painting and only work in the world of your pastel.

Colorix
04-15-2011, 04:28 AM
Did the changes, and now I'm happy with it, thank you!