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Johannes Instructor
03-28-2011, 09:18 AM
After Sunday's successful demo the homework I gave was for you to paint trees not single ones, but in a grouping as you saw me do. It can be evergreens and or decidious trees. WATCH OUT FOR SYMMETRICAL SHAPES. Compare both sides of the trees. Don't make your evergreens the same belt size or height. Go for it!

horsthh
03-28-2011, 10:28 AM
Hello Johannes, thanks for your wonderful class on Sunday, here are my evergreens.
Horst

hungariancontessa
03-28-2011, 10:58 AM
Hi Johannes,
Really enjoyed the demo yesterday!

Here is my homework. A pastel on Canson paper, 9x12.
Best to you,
Patricia
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2011/145129-hamlin_marsh_small.jpg

Grainne
03-28-2011, 11:17 AM
watercolor trees planted around an old spring or well house, painted this weekend, trying to depict the greeny greens of Spring or early Summer in bright sunlight . . . also the sort of billowy deciduous trees which are native around where I live

10x14 on Arches rough

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/Grainne_photos/Watercolors%20I/TheSpringHouse2-1-1.jpg

Eager to receive feedback! :)

Grainne "Kaye"

horsthh
03-28-2011, 11:21 AM
And here is a rework of some deciduous trees from your reference photo.

NeldaJansen
03-28-2011, 11:36 AM
Hi Johannes:

Would you consider posting the exemplars that you did? It would help to be able to study the colors, brushstrokes, and values that you used. I tried a study with evergreens, since this isn't something I would normally paint. I feel that it got too "busy" and cluttered feeling. And I wasn't sure what to do at the bases of the trees. Put in a shadow? Let them get bushy at the base? And I was wishing that I could look again at what you did. I'm planning to scrape this one off to try the other trees, oval and abstract shapes.

...must watch symmetrical shapes, must watch symmetrical shapes...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2011/84957-Evergreens.jpg

I would appreciate hearing what I could have done better.
Thanks so much.

Nel

PS. I thought the whole weekend was invaluable! So many gems to treasure.:clap:

susanc
03-28-2011, 06:14 PM
Hi Johannes:Would you consider posting the exemplars that you did?

They're here--
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13709783&postcount=60

winecountry
03-28-2011, 07:34 PM
too much like a circle on right tree ( this is the right color)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2011/103030-tree_exercise.jpg

....morphed into ovalish (color off too grey and wet shine)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2011/103030-oval_green4236.jpg

painterted
03-28-2011, 07:56 PM
Great course last weekend Johannes. I have trouble painting trees in one big clump with watercolors. I painted the 2 front ones and then filled in the back ones.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2011/909312-P1010001.jpg

BarbB
03-28-2011, 09:28 PM
This was absolutely the hardest thing I have ever done, I always have trouble with trees! I have been playing with pastels the last couple of months but felt the need to use a medium I am comfortable with for this assignment, oils. Thank you so much for giving me a challenge! I need to learn and I GOT SO MUCH OUT OF THIS CLASS!!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2011/722862-pine_tree_2.JPG
After I took the first picture to post, I went back and made changes, took another picture and so on. Would love any insite on this.

Lin Frye
03-29-2011, 06:59 AM
Thank you for a fabulous demonstration, Johannes! Here's my attempt at one of your images. The uploader wasn't working, so I added as an attachment.

Lin

raxu
03-29-2011, 08:56 AM
Hi Johannes,

here my watercolor tree exercise - and NO it does NOT fit in a round chocolate box... its MUCH higher than shown here :angel:
Tried to achieve soft edges - hard ones are no problem.
How about the distant evergreens?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Mar-2011/171274-m_IMG_0767.jpg

Critics welcome!

Johannes Instructor
03-29-2011, 09:00 AM
Hi Johannes,

here my watercolor tree exercise - and NO it does NOT fit in a round chocolate box... its MUCH higher than shown here :angel:
Tried to achieve soft edges - hard ones are no problem.
How about the distant evergreens?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Mar-2011/171274-m_IMG_0767.jpg

Critics welcome!

Mmm that tree is good. Now you are talking my language. Suddenly my coffee tasted more sweet when I saw your homework. I must also say, My eyes got a bit teary. YOU GOT IT! These edges are just fantastic. Notice how the soft edges make the tree feel part of the scene and that foliage area recedes? You also like that tree am I right? That's watercolor baby!!

Johannes Instructor
03-29-2011, 09:06 AM
Thank you for a fabulous demonstration, Johannes! Here's my attempt at one of your images. The uploader wasn't working, so I added as an attachment.

Lin

Good variegation! You can still improve the shape it is not abstract enough. take bites out of it. Remember allow some of the edges that are in the peripheral vision to bleed out. By adding more branches we don't make it better. It will create to many visual lines. We want the eye to roll along melodic contours not follow mini straight arrows.

Johannes Instructor
03-29-2011, 09:34 AM
Great course last weekend Johannes. I have trouble painting trees in one big clump with watercolors. I painted the 2 front ones and then filled in the back ones.


yes, yes, yes, yes, yes ................... yes. You are now placing evergreens in masses not thinking in them as being individualized. You have great variegation. Your value is just right. You only added accents as far as eye level. Negative spaces between them is working. Great job. Hey this is really working. Now here is a professional secret. When we place them all upright they tend to get a bit to rigid. Here I whisper in your ear...... Make the one at the end arch its back like a ballerina.

Johannes Instructor
03-29-2011, 09:38 AM
This was absolutely the hardest thing I have ever done, I always have trouble with trees! I have been playing with pastels the last couple of months but felt the need to use a medium I am comfortable with for this assignment, oils. Thank you so much for giving me a challenge! I need to learn and I GOT SO MUCH OUT OF THIS CLASS!!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2011/722862-pine_tree_2.JPG
After I took the first picture to post, I went back and made changes, took another picture and so on. Would love any insite on this.

Ok good you are not creating walls of trees. You are thinking in 3D which is front back. I tend to make the children evergreens lighter in value so they stand out more.

Johannes Instructor
03-29-2011, 09:40 AM
Hello Johannes, thanks for your wonderful class on Sunday, here are my evergreens.
Horst

Oh wow what depth!!!! way to go. You can glaze on those a bit to offset the chalkiness.

Johannes Instructor
03-29-2011, 09:43 AM
Hi Johannes,
Really enjoyed the demo yesterday!

Here is my homework. A pastel on Canson paper, 9x12.
Best to you,
Patricia
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2011/145129-hamlin_marsh_small.jpg

Nice and simplified. The puddles help take me to the back. I would have that tree on the left go right out of the picture so the eye does not wander around in that sky area.

Johannes Instructor
03-29-2011, 09:45 AM
watercolor trees planted around an old spring or well house, painted this weekend, trying to depict the greeny greens of Spring or early Summer in bright sunlight . . . also the sort of billowy deciduous trees which are native around where I live

10x14 on Arches rough

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/Grainne_photos/Watercolors%20I/TheSpringHouse2-1-1.jpg

Eager to receive feedback! :)

Grainne "Kaye"

In my book, everything that goes in the background in watercolor is done WET ON WET. The tree behind your house would recede if done this way. Now lets see if I can help solve a common problem with trees. I notice a great majority of emerging artists tend to prune their trees. It seems like they take hedge clippers and remove all smaller clump areas leaving only leaving the main frame. I see this almost in all theor paintings. Look at the edited version below. Both trees look more airy now.

marionh
03-29-2011, 09:47 AM
Here is my first attempt in watercolour
I tried to get all three type of edges but somehow didn't quite make it:lol:
As you can see I started to fiddle so I though I would post before I completely ruined it.
Also learnt not to use water soluble pencil for the outline - I though it would dissolve but it didn't.

I think maybe I am not using thick enough pigment?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Mar-2011/42113-010_800x600.JPG

Johannes Instructor
03-29-2011, 09:56 AM
Here is my first attempt in watercolour
I tried to get all three type of edges but somehow didn't quite make it:lol:
As you can see I started to fiddle so I though I would post before I completely ruined it.
Also learnt not to use water soluble pencil for the outline - I though it would dissolve but it didn't.

I think maybe I am not using thick enough pigment?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Mar-2011/42113-010_800x600.JPG

If you ever feel something is not painted strong enough and the pigment feels too weak, you can always glaze over them. Good thing you are thinking in trees merging together. Be careful with repeating tree trunks. the intellectual mind loves to do this.

raxu
03-29-2011, 10:27 AM
Mmm that tree is good. Now you are talking my language. Suddenly my coffee tasted more sweet when I saw your homework. I must also say, My eyes got a bit teary. YOU GOT IT! These edges are just fantastic. Notice how the soft edges make the tree feel part of the scene and that foliage area recedes? You also like that tree am I right? That's watercolor baby!!

:cat: my coffee also tasted sweeter than ever! My secret isI HAVE A FANTASTIC TEACHER - he is mercyless but knows what he is talking about :thumbsup:

Lin Frye
03-29-2011, 01:58 PM
"Remember allow some of the edges that are in the peripheral vision to bleed out. By adding more branches we don't make it better. It will create to many visual lines...."

Thank you once more ...! I have to admit that it takes quite a bit of 'thinking' to break out of one's bad habits in order to create shapes in a different/abstract way ... Does creating in this way ever become less difficult and more 'instinctual?' ....LOL

Lin

sherrysherman
03-29-2011, 09:36 PM
Well, here are a few trees. :) Let me know what "sins" you spot - okay, no sins, no mistakes, just learning opportunities. :) (I can stare and stare seems like forever, seeking out symmetries, clones, geometric shapes, etc, stamping them out, and then you take one look and pinpoint something obvious. Sheesh.)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Mar-2011/616112-evergreen_trees-rev800.jpg

BumpaBob
03-29-2011, 09:50 PM
Hi Johannes:
Here is my first shot at the homework, with #1 - 3 as individual trees and #4 a grouping:
MultiTrees HW-1.jpg
This did not seem to load correctly so I may have to try again. bob.c

BumpaBob
03-29-2011, 10:13 PM
Hi Jo:
Here is another try:
Logged out and turned off computer, scanned picture again, uploaded to iPhoto, reduced file size; all the rules being followed, did all the steps, but it will not upload--try tomorrow. Actually, uploader will not upload ANY photos to this message. Oh well........
bob.c

granddad
03-29-2011, 11:14 PM
Pastel on Wallis paper. Tree exercises. The first one I did out of my head and the second I tried to follow Johannes photo reference. I have learn so much here. I know they are not perfect or even up to other artist standards but these trees are the best I have ever done. I can only continue to improve. C and C most welcomed, thanks, james

Tresgatos
03-30-2011, 02:51 AM
Here is my first tree with bushes done in watercolor. :eek: More to come.

Barbara

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/113757-Trees_-_practice_-_wc.jpg

Laura2011
03-30-2011, 03:49 AM
I reworked the trees after last sunday class. What can I do to improve it?
Thank you for your comments.

raxu
03-30-2011, 07:41 AM
Here I am again..! Wanted to use one of your photos as reference, yet magically it became a north-of-the-arctic-circle-in-the-autumn- view :D . There, the plants on the ground get red and violet, as the birchtrees get yellow.

The background went well, with some happy accidents, yet I finally overworked the trees in front. I did not do any pre-drawing, and only noticed as the painting was "ready" that my tree trunks were PERFECT CLONES :eek: Then I started to rescue them, putting one of then further back, ending up in a dirty mass/mess. I will show this anyway, because others maybe feel relieved... seeing how I struggle

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/171274-m_IMG_0768.jpg

This is 8 x 10", on the back of an Arches sheet (the front was already spoiled :lol: )

Thanks for looking!

Johannes Instructor
03-30-2011, 08:47 AM
Here I am again..! Wanted to use one of your photos as reference, yet magically it became a north-of-the-arctic-circle-in-the-autumn- view :D . There, the plants on the ground get red and violet, as the birchtrees get yellow.

The background went well, with some happy accidents, yet I finally overworked the trees in front. I did not do any pre-drawing, and only noticed as the painting was "ready" that my tree trunks were PERFECT CLONES :eek: Then I started to rescue them, putting one of then further back, ending up in a dirty mass/mess. I will show this anyway, because others maybe feel relieved... seeing how I struggle

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/171274-m_IMG_0768.jpg

This is 8 x 10", on the back of an Arches sheet (the front was already spoiled :lol: )

Thanks for looking!
Nice water color bleeding at the back. You got a lucky back run.

Johannes Instructor
03-30-2011, 08:50 AM
Well, here are a few trees. :) Let me know what "sins" you spot - okay, no sins, no mistakes, just learning opportunities. :) (I can stare and stare seems like forever, seeking out symmetries, clones, geometric shapes, etc, stamping them out, and then you take one look and pinpoint something obvious. Sheesh.)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Mar-2011/616112-evergreen_trees-rev800.jpg
I sure see 3D depth in that. Some trees are chalky. i ususually leave white out of everegreens in my mixtures. Try to lighten colors with yellows using white as a last resource.

sherrysherman
03-30-2011, 10:46 AM
I sure see 3D depth in that. Some trees are chalky. i ususually leave white out of everegreens in my mixtures. Try to lighten colors with yellows using white as a last resource.
Forgot to say - these are pastels. No mixing, just choosing.

In the painting they aren't so chalky looking, except maybe the right middle. It sounds like there (and a couple other highlights), I used a stick that was too "whitish"? (The lightest one I used was a kind of light beige. It was a Terry Ludwig, which I've been told reflect lighter in photos than the Rembrandts.)

The tooth is pretty full on this paper (Canson) so I don't think I can add more on top. If it's worthwhile, I could brush some off. But what would you look for for the lightest bits? I have some lighter yellow-greens, but that sound neon. In the photo, those trees are a pretty bright "spring" green.

BumpaBob
03-30-2011, 01:30 PM
Hi Johannes:
Another failure at uploading my trees. Is there an email address I can send these to, or can you give me the name of a moderator who can help with photo uploading? I have an iMac which has worked several times before. In fact, I tried to upload some previous homework and it would not upload. I rescanned the painting and followed the steps for a Mac upload from iPhoto, but no joy.
Which moderator would be the one who can help? Thanks! bob.c

ecobb
03-30-2011, 02:15 PM
My tree samples:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/91975-Trees_002.jpg

BumpaBob
03-30-2011, 02:25 PM
One more try:
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=681451&stc=1&d=1301509420
using the Manage Attachments button below. bob.c

BumpaBob
03-30-2011, 02:37 PM
Hey Jo:
Well, this time it worked, using the alternate method found below the reply box. Here are some single trees along with a grouping. In the group I tried numbering the locations and painting the foreground ones first, drying them and then doing the rearmost ones, painting negative spaces with greyed out green -maybe too grey and too dark.
Also notice the Liquitex values card dated 1980 that I found in a box of old supplies. The card says the scale is referenced on tubes of their paint, but I couldn't find it on a new tube of Azo Yellow. Wonder when the number value system turned around, with dark being a higher value? interesting..... bob.c

sherrysherman
03-30-2011, 02:40 PM
Forgot to say - these are pastels. No mixing, just choosing.

In the painting they aren't so chalky looking, except maybe the right middle. It sounds like there (and a couple other highlights), I used a stick that was too "whitish"? (The lightest one I used was a kind of light beige. It was a Terry Ludwig, which I've been told reflect lighter in photos than the Rembrandts.)
Referring to my tree painting; you can see it about 6 posts up from this one.

I just went and checked; the lightest stick I used was a pale olive green (not beige). Definitely olive, but I'm sure it must have white in it. Again, I'm not sure what color to look for (and if I knew, I'm not sure I have it. The downside of pastels.)


The tooth is pretty full on this paper (Canson) so I don't think I can add more on top. If it's worthwhile, I could brush some off. But what would you look for for the lightest bits? I have some light yellow-greens, but that sounds neon. In the photo, those trees are a pretty bright "spring" green.

singsong
03-30-2011, 03:51 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/759462-treehomework.jpg

I need to learn so much, but at least I'm getting started with your class. This is acrylic, 8X10.

Donna

Johannes Instructor
03-30-2011, 05:09 PM
My tree samples:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/91975-Trees_002.jpg
Let's get some soft edges in there

painterted
03-30-2011, 06:28 PM
Iv'e been at a wall and haven't painted a picture that I was happy with since Christmas. But now that I have been a student of yours for the last 3 weeks, you have showed me how to over come some of the problems I was having. Thank you, and I hope you have more of these courses.

Here is my leaf tree.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/909312-P3290007.jpg

Stephanie_Draws
03-30-2011, 07:24 PM
I painted this one along with you Johannes, though I had to scramble since I had no ochre and fell behind mixing. WM oils, second time I did anything with them, first tree in oil.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/765572-tree_oil_IMG_5155.JPG

Johannes Instructor
03-30-2011, 09:09 PM
Iv'e been at a wall and haven't painted a picture that I was happy with since Christmas. But now that I have been a student of yours for the last 3 weeks, you have showed me how to over come some of the problems I was having. Thank you, and I hope you have more of these courses.

Here is my leaf tree.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/909312-P3290007.jpg Some real good things happening here. You are variegating nicely. You placed the tree trunk on a diagonal. The shape is abstract. Here is a recommendation that will come in handy. Think of the rule of thirds. 1/3 dark or 1/3 lights. In this case You have 50-50. Also try to gradually lighten the value of the accents as the application climbs to the top. Keep the accents dark near the eye level of a person which is the bottom part of the tree.You have a good handle on negative paintings.

Johannes Instructor
03-30-2011, 09:14 PM
I painted this one along with you Johannes, though I had to scramble since I had no ochre and fell behind mixing. WM oils, second time I did anything with them, first tree in oil.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/765572-tree_oil_IMG_5155.JPG
Yes you need that yellow ochre for better variegation. I still feel the tree is pruned. Please go to google earth zoom into Greece and look at the islands. You painted the mainland but left out the islands. This is a analogy for the bits of foliage clumps that are at the edge of the tree.

Johannes Instructor
03-30-2011, 09:18 PM
Hey Jo:
Well, this time it worked, using the alternate method found below the reply box. Here are some single trees along with a grouping. In the group I tried numbering the locations and painting the foreground ones first, drying them and then doing the rearmost ones, painting negative spaces with greyed out green -maybe too grey and too dark.
Also notice the Liquitex values card dated 1980 that I found in a box of old supplies. The card says the scale is referenced on tubes of their paint, but I couldn't find it on a new tube of Azo Yellow. Wonder when the number value system turned around, with dark being a higher value? interesting..... bob.c
I inverted the references because by using a high number subconsciously people with think in light. If I say value 4 it is a better number to indicate a lighter value than if I say 6.

Johannes Instructor
03-30-2011, 09:24 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/759462-treehomework.jpg

I need to learn so much, but at least I'm getting started with your class. This is acrylic, 8X10.

Donna
Nice expressive brushwork. Do you remember from the demo I made reference that too many artists depict trees as if they were pruned? If you add small clusters of leaves separate from the main tree mass, it will give a loose airy look. Watch out for cloning. The tree trunks are cloned.

Johannes Instructor
03-30-2011, 09:33 PM
One more try:
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=681451&stc=1&d=1301509420
using the Manage Attachments button below. bob.c
If you remember my demo last Sunday I made reference that if we make evergreens into merged masses instead of thinking of them individually, they will be easier to understand. The eye has to work too hard to put the symbols together when we isolated them. When I do evergreens in water color I paint the whole batch at one while everything is wet.

BumpaBob
03-30-2011, 09:36 PM
It does make more sense, having the value # go up as the darkness increases. Thanks..bob.c

granddad
03-30-2011, 10:17 PM
Here's my evergreens. Pastel on Wallis paper. C and C most welcomed. Again, I know there is a lot wrong but these are a hugh improvement for me. I am diffenently learning and improving by watching these classes. thanks for looking, james

Mary in Oregon
03-30-2011, 10:56 PM
My trees with ref photo...painted with ACRYLICS

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/156175-trees-evergreen.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/156175-tree_ref2.jpg


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/156175-trees-decidu.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/156175-tree_ref1.jpg

BumpaBob
03-31-2011, 12:50 AM
If you remember my demo last Sunday I made reference that if we make evergreens into merged masses instead of thinking of them individually, they will be easier to understand. The eye has to work too hard to put the symbols together when we isolated them. When I do evergreens in water color I paint the whole batch at one while everything is wet.
Hi Jo:
The demo made sense especially when dealing with oils, pastels and maybe acrylics too, but I have a hard time with the merged mass of trees in W/C. The images tend to merge and run into each other. So if I have a copse of trees in a more featured part of the picture, I try to render them in two or three planes rather than in one mass. Just can't seem to keep the front vs. back thing going, and I end up with a green blob. Right now I am working on a painting of an island in the Quabbin Reservoir which is a dead ringer for this exercise. The trees are the main feature and I have tried to paint them with some depth of field. Tomorrow I'll post a picture "in progress" for some tips. Thanks....bob.c

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 08:26 AM
My trees with ref photo...painted with ACRYLICS

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/156175-trees-evergreen.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/156175-tree_ref2.jpg


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/156175-trees-decidu.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/156175-tree_ref1.jpg

This smells like professional quality. Remember if we use the lost and found edges it will make the contour of the trees more interesting. In this case the trees are quite far back so you can give more priority to the soft edges but a sharper edge here and there will make this line more entertaining while the viewer is reading the edges of the trees. What I liked is you merged all those trees into one mass. The evergreen trees are definitely in planes instead of a wall. Still check the negative spaces (space between the evergreens). There are a couple of repititions at the right. Overall you did great. I am very pleased with the way you are turning this into symbology instead of thinking in realism.

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 08:28 AM
Here's my evergreens. Pastel on Wallis paper. C and C most welcomed. Again, I know there is a lot wrong but these are a hugh improvement for me. I am diffenently learning and improving by watching these classes. thanks for looking, james

The improvement is that I see progession in layers of evergreens. I believe their tips are too blunt.

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 08:29 AM
It does make more sense, having the value # go up as the darkness increases. Thanks..bob.c
Maybe we should call this Jo's value scale.

marionh
03-31-2011, 08:40 AM
I have an anecdote. There is a group of us that get together on a Thursday morning for watercolours. It is not a class but sometimes we have demonstrators and then try to emulate them. I was painting a mountain scene and for the foreground trees I was trying to remember - abstract shapes, found and lost, some diffused plus mixing paint on the paper and was pretty pleased with my attempt at the first tree. The demonstrator then came round and put water all around the tree saying it had to be diffuse......:lol: :evil:

singsong
03-31-2011, 12:22 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/759462-treehomework.jpg
Hi Johannes,
I worked away on this some more. I'm not looking at reference trees, I'm trying to put something together from what you've told us in class. So thank you for reminding me of the little dots along side the main tree. I do remember you telling us that now. :) I also redid the tree trunks. It was difficult to know how many little "leaves" to put outside the tree form itself. I hope I did it, without over doing it. Being of the "older generation" I feel like I have maybe 20 or 30 years painting left, and I want to learn to do this before it's to late!:evil: I can't thank you enough for all your hard work putting this class on for us. The internet is still a marvel to me, and to be able to not only take this class with you, but to have your feedback and input afterward, on these forums, is like some kind of awesome miracle. I'll never get used to what we can do with the internet!
Donna

Mary in Oregon
03-31-2011, 01:10 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/156175-trees-decidu.jpg

In this case the trees are quite far back so you can give more priority to the soft edges but a sharper edge here and there will make this line more entertaining while the viewer is reading the edges of the trees.

Thank you very much for the feedback Johannes. I agree that more sharp edges are needed here. Do you have suggestions for placement of sharp edges in a distant group like this? Would it be better around the perimeter where the sun is hitting trees (on left) or should I look for places within the mass where there's some light against dark that could be sharpened. I tried that light against dark with trees on right but I was afraid it'd make things "busy" if I added random spots of sharp edges within the mass.

NeldaJansen
03-31-2011, 02:56 PM
Hi Johannes:

This is a direct copy of your tree, but done vertically. I had the photo up on my laptop, and kept going back and forth to my painting area, taking quick looks and trying to memorize bits of your demo painting, then going back to the easel. (I believe in copying to learn, as long as you give credit.) Still not as beautiful as yours, but getting so much out of what you're teaching us.
A big THANKS!:) I'm changing my color palette, that's certain.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/84957-Tree_Study_3.jpg

Nel Jansen

hungariancontessa
03-31-2011, 03:28 PM
Hi Johannes,
here is another homework, a sample on pines.
Thanks for looking,
Patricia

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/145129-whispering_pines_small.jpg

hungariancontessa
03-31-2011, 03:31 PM
Nice and simplified. The puddles help take me to the back. I would have that tree on the left go right out of the picture so the eye does not wander around in that sky area.

Thank you!

BumpaBob
03-31-2011, 05:05 PM
Hi Jo:
Here is the painting (12x15 in.) I mentioned above, the island in Quabbin Reservoir:
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=681548&stc=1&d=1301604978
(Unfortunately the uploader is still not working for me, so I used the Attachment feature so that you can click on the link to show the picture. Sorry if this is inconvenient, but my uploads just don't take.)
I had mentioned about putting in the trees in layers, but not all at once; that is what I did here. BTW, the brown portions are tape, masking off partial reflections in the water. and I was wondering about the lack of detail in the hillside: in my photo there is a tree line at water's edge which would be about one inch tall in the picture. Also I don't have much detail in the sky. Do you think some more detail in those areas will help the composition? Thanks your comments, and anyone else's too. bob.c

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 06:48 PM
Hi Jo:
Here is the painting (12x15 in.) I mentioned above, the island in Quabbin Reservoir:
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=681548&stc=1&d=1301604978
(Unfortunately the uploader is still not working for me, so I used the Attachment feature so that you can click on the link to show the picture. Sorry if this is inconvenient, but my uploads just don't take.)
I had mentioned about putting in the trees in layers, but not all at once; that is what I did here. BTW, the brown portions are tape, masking off partial reflections in the water. and I was wondering about the lack of detail in the hillside: in my photo there is a tree line at water's edge which would be about one inch tall in the picture. Also I don't have much detail in the sky. Do you think some more detail in those areas will help the composition? Thanks your comments, and anyone else's too. bob.c
If you have an area about the size of a credit card and nothing changes you will have a dead spot. Where is the wet on wet in this study?

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 06:52 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/156175-trees-decidu.jpg



Thank you very much for the feedback Johannes. I agree that more sharp edges are needed here. Do you have suggestions for placement of sharp edges in a distant group like this? Would it be better around the perimeter where the sun is hitting trees (on left) or should I look for places within the mass where there's some light against dark that could be sharpened. I tried that light against dark with trees on right but I was afraid it'd make things "busy" if I added random spots of sharp edges within the mass.
I would really like to address this in class in more detail using tools to modify it. But the question is well founded. Pretty much those edges can be at random, maybe emphasizing more of them inside the painting and leaving more vague edges near the boundries. The point is whatever is soft edged conveys the illusion that that grouping of tree mass recedes. Whatever is hard edged makes it appear the foliage is closer

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 06:55 PM
Hi Johannes:

This is a direct copy of your tree, but done vertically. I had the photo up on my laptop, and kept going back and forth to my painting area, taking quick looks and trying to memorize bits of your demo painting, then going back to the easel. (I believe in copying to learn, as long as you give credit.) Still not as beautiful as yours, but getting so much out of what you're teaching us.
A big THANKS!:) I'm changing my color palette, that's certain.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/84957-Tree_Study_3.jpg

Nel Jansen

That is professional quality painting. You see this level of foliage in Kathryn Stats. Go see her work yourself. It seems she painted this tree. You've done it and hit the top. I AM AMAZED HOW QUICKLY YOU GUYS ARE PICKING THIS UP. These results are telling me I will need to demo more. Now this is a tree study but if it were a painting you placed this tree in the center and the negative space on both sides is equal. Just watch out for that when you do a painting.

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 07:02 PM
Hi Johannes,
here is another homework, a sample on pines.
Thanks for looking,
Patricia

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/145129-whispering_pines_small.jpg

Whule soft edges are always good in a painting but if we overdo it people will find it disturbing because the eye cannot focus. We can abuse hard edges but I feel we abused soft edges in this one. Good thing is that there is an easy fix. Just go back and match the mountain color and carve out the harder edges to being some parts into focus.

karan55
03-31-2011, 07:02 PM
Still had trouble controlling the wild beast (WC) and my intellectual brain interfered, but wanted to post my homework, anyway. I overworked it but still learned from it. Once you get going it is hard think of everything!!! I kept correcting and correcting and messing it up! I did find it easier to get I nice tree shape when supplied a nice reference photo, to work from. I will be painting trees for a while....till I get one to be happy with!:music: :music:

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 07:07 PM
Still had trouble controlling the wild beast (WC) and my intellectual brain interfered, but wanted to post my homework, anyway. I overworked it but still learned from it. Once you get going it is hard think of everything!!! I kept correcting and correcting and messing it up! I did find it easier to get I nice tree shape when supplied a nice reference photo, to work from. I will be painting trees for a while....till I get one to be happy with!:music: :music:
Remember ovalish trees are much more desirable than roundish trees. ( I am referring to the foliage excluding the tree trunk)

karan55
03-31-2011, 07:11 PM
Remember ovalish trees are much more desirable than roundish trees. ( I am referring to the foliage excluding the tree trunk)

It's funny you said this!! After I posted....I was shocked it looked so round...because when I was painting it It looked oval....to me!! My mind seems to be more of a beast than the watercolors!! I will do better tomarrow.

sherrysherman
03-31-2011, 07:41 PM
It's funny you said this!! After I posted....I was shocked it looked so round...because when I was painting it It looked oval....to me!! My mind seems to be more of a beast than the watercolors!! I will do better tomarrow.
LOL! Yes, that's where the beast resides! We've made it so comfy for him there. :)

mlgk
03-31-2011, 07:41 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/161785-Evergreen-trees http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/161785-yellow-tree http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/161785-green-tree
These are oils I am having a hard time keeping the canvas from showing through.

CatinVT
03-31-2011, 07:45 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/147827-Scan-110331-0001.jpg

hungariancontessa
03-31-2011, 07:48 PM
Whule soft edges are always good in a painting but if we overdo it people will find it disturbing because the eye cannot focus. We can abuse hard edges but I feel we abused soft edges in this one. Good thing is that there is an easy fix. Just go back and match the mountain color and carve out the harder edges to being some parts into focus.

Thank you!

winecountry
03-31-2011, 07:51 PM
evergreens and my ref.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/103030-vineyards_ref1323.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/103030-evergreens_in_vineyard_4247.jpg

karan55
03-31-2011, 08:07 PM
LOL! Yes, that's where the beast resides! We've made it so comfy for him there. :)

How did you slay your beast??????

valh
03-31-2011, 08:22 PM
Hi Johannes
Attached are my trees (uploader still not workin' for me) and also the reference photo's for each. I had great fun doing these but was wishing I had 'got to it' earlier in the week when your lessons were still fresh in my mind.
C&C always welcome.

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 08:41 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/161785-Evergreen-trees http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/161785-yellow-tree http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/161785-green-tree
These are oils I am having a hard time keeping the canvas from showing through.
You can still budget your accents so they don't look so dark as to make it appear there are holes in the canvas. Tree foliage is abstract thought. Good!

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 08:42 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/147827-Scan-110331-0001.jpg

I can still ship that tree in a round box.

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 08:44 PM
evergreens and my ref.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/103030-vineyards_ref1323.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/103030-evergreens_in_vineyard_4247.jpg

Once you have foliage in front of foliage you can sharpen the edges of the foliage that's in front. I would merge only the trees that correspond to that plane. Once you create anotehr plane you can sharpen the front one so we easily distinguish the two.

jtburton
03-31-2011, 08:58 PM
here is my tree, 8x10 acrylic on canvas. Fire away and let me know what to fix.

Jimhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/59338-tree.JPG

BumpaBob
03-31-2011, 09:34 PM
If you have an area about the size of a credit card and nothing changes you will have a dead spot. Where is the wet on wet in this study?
Yes, there is a lot of open space in the background especially, and I wanted to put in a darker row of trees along the water line, probably using up most of the grey background. There will be more cloud and sky detail added also.
And there is not that much wet on wet on the island, just a little in the trees, the bushes and in the reflection. I have to work on the wet on wet technique as it scares me right now! Too often I end up with a dark blob that takes over the space. Did you cover this in the earlier classes? I only came aboard around March 11; did you cover wet on wet prior to that time? I'll search thru Robert's notes too, as he has great stuff! thanks.bob.c

LAyers
03-31-2011, 10:20 PM
I unfortunately had to miss last weekend and I really could have used it. However, here are some trees in a grouping. I'd appreciate your comments. I'm still working up to a desiduous tree which I find frustratingly difficult.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/120844-DSC00148_800_x_600.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 11:28 PM
here is my tree, 8x10 acrylic on canvas. Fire away and let me know what to fix.

Jimhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/59338-tree.JPG

Where are the soft edges!!!!!?? Bottom of tree with trunk is not abstract enough.

Johannes Instructor
03-31-2011, 11:28 PM
I unfortunately had to miss last weekend and I really could have used it. However, here are some trees in a grouping. I'd appreciate your comments. I'm still working up to a desiduous tree which I find frustratingly difficult.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2011/120844-DSC00148_800_x_600.jpg

I like this vignette.

wetbob
04-01-2011, 02:57 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/100299-1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/100299-3.JPG
snow was coming, challange was a dark scene/grouping trees, Some spots are too dark,

Wb

raxu
04-01-2011, 06:34 AM
Johannes, thank you so much for your previous statements. Still battling with watercolors, shapes, values, edges, melodic lines...

Here my 10x14" on Saunders waterford 140 lb... did I overdo the color variation in the tree? What else?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0778.jpg

Maybe still too many hard edges? Tried to soften those at sky gaps. Too many branches?

Thanks for looking!

Johannes Instructor
04-01-2011, 09:33 AM
Johannes, thank you so much for your previous statements. Still battling with watercolors, shapes, values, edges, melodic lines...

Here my 10x14" on Saunders waterford 140 lb... did I overdo the color variation in the tree? What else?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0778.jpg

Maybe still too many hard edges? Tried to soften those at sky gaps. Too many branches?

Thanks for looking!

This seems to be over variegated to me. I would let the colors merge together more and have more subtle shifts not abrupt ones.

Johannes Instructor
04-01-2011, 09:34 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/100299-1.JPG


snow was coming, challange was a dark scene/grouping trees, Some spots are too dark,

Wb
I feel you have lots of protrusions. We need to create a way for the eye to roll over the contour more gracefully.

raxu
04-01-2011, 09:51 AM
This seems to be over variegated to me. I would let the colors merge together more and have more subtle shifts not abrupt ones.

Yep! That's how it was first, just wonderful merging of colors. Only as it was dry, it was far too pale, then I started adding more layers :D Funny (not really) how I still can't paint straight with the proper color intensity - i.e. darker than the "goal"!

So I did an almost monochrome study next... with a bigger flat brush, without sketching:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0779.jpg

still need practising. Feel tempted to try another media :evil: , but which one...?

shbezaire
04-01-2011, 11:11 AM
Hi Johannes,

"I've painted lots of trees - this will be a snap"...so much for over confidence!!! With a list of the compositional techniques you gave us last week beside my easel - I found this exercise to be quite challenging. Of course, I had to try trees in different seasons, so here's a summer, spring and fall tree, along with the evergreens. One note, I found that the trees were easier to paint with a flat sable than my usual flat bristle brush.

Appreciate any feedback,
Susi
Fine Artwww.SusiHavensBezaire.com (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/www.SusiHavensBezaire.com)



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/308661-IMG_0026.JPG

susanc
04-01-2011, 11:42 AM
Sadly, I missed the demo--but couldn't resist trying to copy the evergreen painting you posted. Now if I can only transfer this concept (except the mistakes I made!) to the painting I've been working on for the last couple weeks...(Grrr. It's probably the most reworked painting in the universe--:evil: painting!) :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/1697-evergreensbig.jpg

hungariancontessa
04-01-2011, 12:05 PM
Whule soft edges are always good in a painting but if we overdo it people will find it disturbing because the eye cannot focus. We can abuse hard edges but I feel we abused soft edges in this one. Good thing is that there is an easy fix. Just go back and match the mountain color and carve out the harder edges to being some parts into focus.

Hi Johannes,

Ok, I think that I did too much carving! I see where I could have soften some of the hard edges that I reinstated to the mountain.
The water was bothering before, it seemed dead, I added some more lighter values to it. Your thoughts?

Patricia-
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/145129-whispering_pines_small.jpg

Kurlie
04-01-2011, 12:24 PM
:wave: I call this one foggy day..with evergreens. It is an ATC 2.5 x 3.5..cropped from one of the examples, done with watercolors.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/187427-Foggy_day_OPS.jpg

I did it with a #8 brush..tried to limit details. It is headed for an exchange, but C&C are welcome.

Lin Frye
04-01-2011, 12:38 PM
Johannes: I am not crazy at all about this, but after so many attempts ending up as scrap, and after reviewing some of the evergreens in Catherine Gill's book, I am taking a big breath and sending it on ...

hungariancontessa
04-01-2011, 02:16 PM
[QUOTE=hungariancontessa]Hi Johannes,

Duplicate picture-Sorry!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/145129-whispering_pines_small.jpg

Johannes Instructor
04-01-2011, 03:08 PM
Hi Johannes,

Ok, I think that I did too much carving! I see where I could have soften some of the hard edges that I reinstated to the mountain.
The water was bothering before, it seemed dead, I added some more lighter values to it. Your thoughts?

Patricia-
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/145129-whispering_pines_small.jpg

Please read again. Quite the contrary. We need some more hard edges.

Johannes Instructor
04-01-2011, 03:09 PM
Johannes: I am not crazy at all about this, but after so many attempts ending up as scrap, and after reviewing some of the evergreens in Catherine Gill's book, I am taking a big breath and sending it on ...
If you are going to go as dark as some of those shapes then you will need to connect them.

Lin Frye
04-01-2011, 03:36 PM
If you are going to go as dark as some of those shapes then you will need to connect them.


Connect at the bottom of the shape....?

N.Ramchandran
04-01-2011, 04:10 PM
Hi Johannes.

Here is my home work on the TREE. I did not want to have a tree hanging, so I put it in a scene, entirely from imagination, trying toyse the elements taught by you.

Looking forward to your C & C and suggestions to improve, particularly the foregroung and middleground.

Thanks once again for your wonderful lessons, without which I would not have been able to attempt watercolors.

LAyers
04-01-2011, 04:19 PM
Finally, after using up a lot of my scraps here is my deciduous tree. Watercolour. Only now do I see the "V" and that the branches are same width but it's the foliage and the shape that I find so difficult. I'd appreciate your comments.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/120844-DSC00149_800_x_600.JPG

jfwalton
04-01-2011, 04:37 PM
My edges homework. I edited and edited photos and came up with this. Not too interesting but there are edges. Attempted to keep the values to my plan and have decent composition. Ok but not thrilled with it.:rolleyes:

jfwalton
04-01-2011, 04:40 PM
When attempting to keep most of it midtones it seems to end up bland for me. No drama.

jmcedeno
04-01-2011, 05:02 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/159973-Trees_excersice-IMG_0237.jpg Hello Johannes this is an 8x10 oil on canvas, it is not quite finished I'm not pleased with the Pine tree on the left border I might scrape it and do it again, I think overall is not too bad, you'll be the Judge.

Lin Frye
04-01-2011, 05:20 PM
Johannes .. The 'connections' are close in hue in real life than shown by my scanner .... I'm not sure I did this right ...:crossfingers:

Thanks for your help ....

Lin

blarkin
04-01-2011, 05:47 PM
The demo was great, and much needed for the struggles I have with trees. I did two quick versions, one before Jo uploaded his examples, and one after. Before posting I meant to add a few more highlights but looks like I won't get around to it before tomorrow. thanks to Jo and the team so much for all this!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/86145-IMG_6673.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/86145-IMG_6675.JPG

Johannes Instructor
04-01-2011, 05:50 PM
Johannes .. The 'connections' are close in hue in real life than shown by my scanner .... I'm not sure I did this right ...:crossfingers:

Thanks for your help ....

Lin
That is much better. See how the eye flows easier when shapes of similar value are connected into larger value masses?

susanc
04-01-2011, 06:38 PM
When attempting to keep most of it midtones it seems to end up bland for me. No drama.
My painting looked like that, too--like someone forgot to turn on a light. But then I saw this

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13709783&postcount=60 and this

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13701133&postcount=44

and realized that I'd been over-doing the midtones. As you can see in these examples, it's OK to have accents and highlights, if they're not taken to extremes. This look is luminous, just what I hope to achieve in my paintings. :)

pat-trew
04-01-2011, 06:38 PM
LIVING IN FLORIDA, THERE ARE PALM TREES IN MY BACK YARD(AND FRONT ETC), SO AS I PAINTED THIS, I REFERED TO THOSE TREES THROUGH MY WINDOW, I USED YOUR COLOR COMBOS, A LOT OF WIND,SUE TO STORMS, A LOT OF FUN.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/105243-DSCN0687.JPG

BumpaBob
04-01-2011, 06:38 PM
Hi Jo:
In post # 80:
Re: HOMEWORK-27-28 March-Upload your samples of trees
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johannes Instructor
If you have an area about the size of a credit card and nothing changes you will have a dead spot. Where is the wet on wet in this study?
From me:
Yes, there is a lot of open space in the background especially, and I wanted to put in a darker row of trees along the water line, probably using up most of the grey background. There will be more cloud and sky detail added also.
And there is not that much wet on wet on the island, just a little in the trees, the bushes and in the reflection. I have to work on the wet on wet technique as it scares me right now! Too often I end up with a dark blob that takes over the space. Did you cover this in the earlier classes? I only came aboard around March 11; did you cover wet on wet prior to that time? I'll search thru Robert's notes too, as he has great stuff! thanks. bob.c

Here is the final result. I tried to get in more indistinct detail in the hillsides and the sky, plus in the reflections; not sure if it worked.....http://wetcanvas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=681621&stc=1&d=1301697060
Please give me your thoughts......bob.c

Lin Frye
04-01-2011, 07:02 PM
" See how the eye flows easier when shapes of similar value are connected into larger value masses?"

Yes .... and thank you so much! I was so focused on 'abstract shapes' I completely forgot about masses ....

Thank you once more ...

Your lessons and words are so appreciated ... I now 'hear' you with each tree I try ...! (smile)!

Mary54
04-01-2011, 07:03 PM
This is my attempt at a deciduous tree. I don't like the tree, but am not sure what's wrong with it. I would appreciate any comments.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/159058-Tree.jpg

Tresgatos
04-01-2011, 07:34 PM
Hello Johannes,

Here are two practice pieces of trees done in watercolor. Trying to remember everything and put it into practice is a lot harder than I thought it would be. Would very much appreciate a critique if you have the time.

Barbara


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/113757-Trees_-_practice_-_wc.jpg


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/113757-Trees_-_Pine_-_practice_-_wc.jpg

susanc
04-01-2011, 07:45 PM
Oh, I also wanted to add this one to the list of luminous paintings I put together in post #106, but missed the hour deadline by a few minutes.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13678859&postcount=38

HazelP
04-01-2011, 08:05 PM
Here is my trees homework. I tried to improve on one I mistakenly (I think) posted at -

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=925972&page=38

I'm a newbie at painting and WetCanvas and still trying to find my way round.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/915542-For-Johannes-class-2.jpg

tedzart
04-01-2011, 08:22 PM
These are acrylic on watercolor paper. Sorry, I had to miss your Sunday demo. Looking forward to this weekends class.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/180589-DSCF9368.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/180589-DSCF9372.JPG

sherrysherman
04-01-2011, 08:48 PM
... I was so focused on 'abstract shapes' I completely forgot about masses ....

Yes, isn't that just how it works?!? Remember why Johannes decided to do the tree demo? Because the week before, we were so focused on EDGES we forgot about ABSTRACT SHAPES.

It's like he wants us to remember everything. Huh. Imagine that. :)

Lin Frye
04-01-2011, 08:58 PM
"It's like he wants us to remember everything. Huh. Imagine that..."

Thanks so much, Sherri -- so true ....!!!! I'd be thrilled to remember just a 'bit' of it ....!

Lin

hungariancontessa
04-01-2011, 09:14 PM
Please read again. Quite the contrary. We need some more hard edges.

Will do, Thank you!

Johannes Instructor
04-01-2011, 09:28 PM
This is my attempt at a deciduous tree. I don't like the tree, but am not sure what's wrong with it. I would appreciate any comments.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/159058-Tree.jpg

It is not abstract. That is why it is bothering you.

Johannes Instructor
04-01-2011, 09:30 PM
Hi Jo:
In post # 80:
Re: HOMEWORK-27-28 March-Upload your samples of trees
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johannes Instructor
If you have an area about the size of a credit card and nothing changes you will have a dead spot. Where is the wet on wet in this study?
From me:
Yes, there is a lot of open space in the background especially, and I wanted to put in a darker row of trees along the water line, probably using up most of the grey background. There will be more cloud and sky detail added also.
And there is not that much wet on wet on the island, just a little in the trees, the bushes and in the reflection. I have to work on the wet on wet technique as it scares me right now! Too often I end up with a dark blob that takes over the space. Did you cover this in the earlier classes? I only came aboard around March 11; did you cover wet on wet prior to that time? I'll search thru Robert's notes too, as he has great stuff! thanks. bob.c

Here is the final result. I tried to get in more indistinct detail in the hillsides and the sky, plus in the reflections; not sure if it worked.....http://wetcanvas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=681621&stc=1&d=1301697060
Please give me your thoughts......bob.c

It needs more bleeding. I am going to so more demos this Sunday. Some including watercolor.

jtburton
04-02-2011, 12:45 AM
I have modified the trunk and tried to soften some of the edges, they may still need some more softening. I will try next time to soften them before the acrylic dries.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/59338-tree.JPG

Johannes Instructor
04-02-2011, 09:19 AM
Pastel on Wallis paper. Tree exercises. The first one I did out of my head and the second I tried to follow Johannes photo reference. I have learn so much here. I know they are not perfect or even up to other artist standards but these trees are the best I have ever done. I can only continue to improve. C and C most welcomed, thanks, james
I avoid sap green. It makes the greens too neon

sherrysherman
04-02-2011, 10:45 AM
How did you slay your beast??????
Karan, I was looking back a few pages and just spotted this, which I missed before. It was a response you wrote to something I wrote about the beast residing in our left brains....

My first response to your comment? :confused: <looks around in confusion> Huh? Who you talkin' to? MY beast is alive and kicking. My left brain LOVES its status as Chief Controller of All Things Mental (Artistic and Otherwise).

Now if you were talking to JOHANNES - well, that makes more sense. Except... I love that he keeps catching himself doing clones, symmetries, etc. So his beast is still there, he's just better and faster at catching it when it tries to have its way in his paintings.

So apparently, the answer remains to train ourselves to be constantly observant for such left brain "gifts." And to have pals who will help us spot them. I used to think I was "done" with a painting; now I take forever looking at it for all those things J talks about, using a mirror, turning the painting upside down, taking a photo, "fixing" something, only to find that the "fix" creates something else. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

If anyone has managed to tame the beast, I'm there to find out how. :)

raxu
04-02-2011, 11:24 AM
One more... a less than 10 minute watercolor study on Arches; with slingshots I tried to camouflage :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0857.jpg

size about 8x10"

rib00
04-02-2011, 11:33 AM
Sorry if this is a repost but I can't find the post in the thread I thought it was in. Will delete the other if I find it. Thanks.

Bill in RI

Found the missing post. It's in "Reference Photos for Homework" thread.
MOD: Please delete, I am unable to. Thank you.

karan55
04-02-2011, 11:50 AM
It seems that I cannot control all the shapes and values and edges without over working the watercolors! The colors seem to fade and go dull as well. I was primarily concerned with shape and edges but lost edge control as well as I started adding highlights, in particular. I hope it does get easier...eventually. I know what I want, but doing it is another matter!


PS.....Sherry! If anyone has managed to tame the beast, I'm there to find out how. :) ME TOOOOO

Johannes Instructor
04-02-2011, 11:58 AM
It seems that I cannot control all the shapes and values and edges without over working the watercolors! The colors seem to fade and go dull as well. I was primarily concerned with shape and edges but lost edge control as well as I started adding highlights, in particular. I hope it does get easier...eventually. I know what I want, but doing it is another matter!


PS.....Sherry! If anyone has managed to tame the beast, I'm there to find out how. :) ME TOOOOO

Nice shape but we are missing the Greek Islands

sherrysherman
04-02-2011, 12:43 PM
Johannes, I tried to take out the chalkiness you mentioned. This is pastel on Canson. Hope I didn't get it too dark or too green. Frustrating sometimes that don't have and can't MIX the colors I want. (Even worse - that I can't make the photo be accurate.)

I also modified the left side - added that tree farther forward/lower on the board/standing straighter because when I looked in the mirror, it looked like the whole painting was sliding downhill to the right.

HERE'S THE NEW VERSION:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/616112-evergreens_2-rev800.jpg



THIS IS THE PRIOR VERSION:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/616112-evergreen_trees-rev800.jpg

little miss sunshine
04-02-2011, 01:15 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/867242-Tree_Study_WC.jpg Doing trees in watercolor has been a challenge for me. After letting it dry I noticed some issues, but at least I was able to see those.

tuscanni
04-02-2011, 01:33 PM
ok...so I wanted to work on the trees homework also. I worked on it very hard, but it turned out looking like a mess again!! :envy: I dont know how you other pastellists make your trees look so wonderful ...SHERRY!!!...your homework is melt in your mouth gorgeous to me. I wish that I could paint such wonderful trees.
I am having a horrible time trying to achieve the right colors in pastel, even though I have a 90 color palette. I am almost ashamed to post this homework, because it looks so terrible, but I wanted to do my part and be a part of this wonderful experience of these live webinars. Johannes, I know its terrible, so please dont be too rough on me. If only I knew the right way to achieve mixing these chaulky pastels.
This was supposed to be an exercise on trees, so I didnt do much of a background, middle or foreground. These are soft pastels on drawing paper.
ANN
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/187535-IMG_5582.JPG

etdavis6
04-02-2011, 01:36 PM
Here is my watercolor of trees (a group in the background and a single one in the foreground). I've based this on one of your photos, with some modifications (e.g., foaming water in foreground as well as midground).

I've also tried using some of the various techniques you've shown us (e.g., lost-and-found edges and using a credit card for creating rocks).

If I were to do this again, there are some things I would change -- it's hard to concentrate on everything when you're doing watercolor -- it all goes so fast.
Comments are greatly appreciated. THANK YOU!!!

sherrysherman
04-02-2011, 01:46 PM
ok...so I wanted to work on the trees homework also. I worked on it very hard, but it turned out looking like a mess again!! :envy: I dont know how you other pastellists make your trees look so wonderful ...SHERRY!!!...your homework is melt in your mouth gorgeous to me. I wish that I could paint such wonderful trees.
I am having a horrible time trying to achieve the right colors in pastel, even though I have a 90 color palette. I am almost ashamed to post this homework, because it looks so terrible, but I wanted to do my part and be a part of this wonderful experience of these live webinars. Johannes, I know its terrible, so please dont be too rough on me. If only I knew the right way to achieve mixing these chaulky pastels.
This was supposed to be an exercise on trees, so I didnt do much of a background, middle or foreground. These are soft pastels on drawing paper.
ANN

Omigosh, Ann, never be ashamed of what you are working on! I certainly have plenty that are in drawers FOREVER!! And I look at what Johannes produces in 1 hour and then what takes me, well, let's just say a lot more time than that! Yow. :eek:

Thank you so much for your remarks about my trees. It made me smile and read it out loud to my partner (who can't help himself, he is learning so much new stuff - osmosis, "lessons" from me, whether he wants them or not :) )

Let me say that I know what you mean about not having the colors that you need - 90 is not many!! Even if it's a 90-stick "Landscape" set. If it's a General set, it's even fewer! Also, the paper you are using - what kind is it? "Drawing paper"? Maybe not enough tooth to keep working on something?

Good for you for posting! Johannes's comments are so helpful.

BarbB
04-02-2011, 03:22 PM
This painting is from a plein air last september. The first one is before the class on trees, the second one is after. Also, I am still working on the grass and highlights on the bridge.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/722862-Bridge_a.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/722862-Bridge_1.jpg

eviepatra
04-02-2011, 03:32 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WgnhTnQCo5I/SpAMK8AnmUI/AAAAAAAAApI/MKRtwRPFv2w/s400/pic_013.jpg
soft pastel
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WgnhTnQCo5I/SpAMAkQZmvI/AAAAAAAAApA/5uWg2mCaQ8Y/s400/pic_011.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WgnhTnQCo5I/TJD72S3vXiI/AAAAAAAAAw4/B_r5mTn04yg/s400/pict.JPG
In the first dawn of spring ...
soft pastel

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WgnhTnQCo5I/SWXrPiAmIII/AAAAAAAAAD0/g_LKgPdndMY/s400/IMG_0053.JPG

after webinar i change a little the sky

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2011/870782-27022011n.JPG


they are my very first attempt in pastels

tuscanni
04-02-2011, 03:37 PM
Omigosh, Ann, never be ashamed of what you are working on! I certainly have plenty that are in drawers FOREVER!! And I look at what Johannes produces in 1 hour and then what takes me, well, let's just say a lot more time than that! Yow. :eek:

Thank you so much for your remarks about my trees. It made me smile and read it out loud to my partner (who can't help himself, he is learning so much new stuff - osmosis, "lessons" from me, whether he wants them or not :) )

Let me say that I know what you mean about not having the colors that you need - 90 is not many!! Even if it's a 90-stick "Landscape" set. If it's a General set, it's even fewer! Also, the paper you are using - what kind is it? "Drawing paper"? Maybe not enough tooth to keep working on something?

Good for you for posting! Johannes's comments are so helpful.

SHERRY....thanks so much for your kind words, but I still cant help feeling extremely disappointed in myself.
MY 90 stick palette is general colors, half stick senneliers. Really, not enough landscape greens to make a convinceing landscape. Way too many garrish greens. I just cannot bring myself to paint closeup trees in blue or pink colors.
I really do love your homework and I am hoping that eventually my pastels will look as good as yours.
ANN

susanc
04-02-2011, 04:02 PM
I thought about posting your painting of evergreens as my own yesterday because it was April Fools' day... ;) I wasn't sure how well it would go over, though! Thanks for the input.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2011/1697-evergreensbig.jpg[/QUOTE]

valh
04-02-2011, 05:20 PM
Johannes
I've looked and looked in this thread and cannot find a response to my trees homework in message #75. I know you're terrible busy but would you mind awfully to let me know if this homework is on the right track?
Thanks!
Val

sherrysherman
04-02-2011, 06:00 PM
I thought about posting your painting of evergreens as my own yesterday because it was April Fools' day... ;) I wasn't sure how well it would go over, though! Thanks for the input.
LOL! That would have been a stitch! :D

sherrysherman
04-02-2011, 06:23 PM
SHERRY....thanks so much for your kind words, but I still cant help feeling extremely disappointed in myself.
MY 90 stick palette is general colors, half stick senneliers. Really, not enough landscape greens to make a convinceing landscape. Way too many garrish greens. I just cannot bring myself to paint closeup trees in blue or pink colors.
I really do love your homework and I am hoping that eventually my pastels will look as good as yours.
ANN
Ann, Senneliers are nice soft pastels BUT those initial sets are sadly lacking in landscape greens. Not a lot of subdued, muted colors either, which show up a lot in nature. Lots of bright "pure" pigments - that bright green is something! Hard to find a good use for it. :)

I got a box of 90 Landscapes from Rembrandt - on sale so a decent price. They are not as soft as Senneliers but work just fine, esp if you use some kind of sanded or pretty textured paper. And don't forget, Johannes uses a lot of Rembrands on Canson paper for his demos - and they seem to work for him!

I think everything I've posted here are mainly Rembrandts on Canson, because the paper is pretty inexpensive and I'm learning new stuff, doing homework, etc. I have some Terry Ludwigs (very soft) which I've used for the topmost layers here and there when the tooth got too full for my Rembrandts.

You should see the pastels Robert Sloan packed into a new box he got. Amazing! And most pastelists wind up just getting more and more. The colors are so addicting. :)

Johannes Instructor
04-02-2011, 07:00 PM
Hi Johannes
Attached are my trees (uploader still not workin' for me) and also the reference photo's for each. I had great fun doing these but was wishing I had 'got to it' earlier in the week when your lessons were still fresh in my mind.
C&C always welcome.

Joining those trees into one mass was the right thing to do. I would try to add more mauve the background everegreens to push them away from the front area.

Johannes Instructor
04-02-2011, 07:02 PM
One more... a less than 10 minute watercolor study on Arches; with slingshots I tried to camouflage :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0857.jpg

size about 8x10"
I would stop the tree branches where the foliage gets lighter. Watch out for value 8's

Johannes Instructor
04-02-2011, 07:03 PM
Johannes, I tried to take out the chalkiness you mentioned. This is pastel on Canson. Hope I didn't get it too dark or too green. Frustrating sometimes that don't have and can't MIX the colors I want. (Even worse - that I can't make the photo be accurate.)

I also modified the left side - added that tree farther forward/lower on the board/standing straighter because when I looked in the mirror, it looked like the whole painting was sliding downhill to the right.

HERE'S THE NEW VERSION:


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/616112-evergreens_2-rev800.jpg



THIS IS THE PRIOR VERSION:


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/616112-evergreen_trees-rev800.jpg

yes Sherry very good.

sherrysherman
04-02-2011, 07:19 PM
yes Sherry very good.
Thanks for looking, Johannes. I don't want to take it off the board if you have more suggestions... but I'm running out of boards to start new paintings. :)

Another good class, Johannes. They keep getting better - an incredible amount of material crammed into limited time. (You really expect us to remember EVERYTHING?? :eek: Where's my cheatsheet?) And you are clearly working hard to create professional classes each week.

BarbB
04-02-2011, 08:54 PM
Sorry that I am reposting all three of the same painting so soon. But looking at this painting while listening to all of the don'ts, I had to re-do it, again. So this is my next step in this painting.
First photo of painting is after the plein air last September:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/722862-bridge_a1.JPG

Second painting is this past week after the tree class:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/722862-bridge_1a.JPG

Third painting is after the Don'ts webinar today:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/722862-Bridge_4.JPG

Please let me know what more I can do to make it better. Thank you so much!!

tuscanni
04-02-2011, 10:26 PM
Ann, Senneliers are nice soft pastels BUT those initial sets are sadly lacking in landscape greens. Not a lot of subdued, muted colors either, which show up a lot in nature. Lots of bright "pure" pigments - that bright green is something! Hard to find a good use for it. :)

I got a box of 90 Landscapes from Rembrandt - on sale so a decent price. They are not as soft as Senneliers but work just fine, esp if you use some kind of sanded or pretty textured paper. And don't forget, Johannes uses a lot of Rembrands on Canson paper for his demos - and they seem to work for him!

I think everything I've posted here are mainly Rembrandts on Canson, because the paper is pretty inexpensive and I'm learning new stuff, doing homework, etc. I have some Terry Ludwigs (very soft) which I've used for the topmost layers here and there when the tooth got too full for my Rembrandts.

You should see the pastels Robert Sloan packed into a new box he got. Amazing! And most pastelists wind up just getting more and more. The colors are so addicting. :)

SHERRY....thanks for the advice about the Rembrandts. I just spent $100 on the sennelier set, so I cant buy the 90 pc rembrandt landscape set for $155. What I can do is probably buy some individual sticks of green and some yellow ochre, which should help out tremendously. I have lots of canson paper here in different colors, so I am good to go there. Having the right tools to do the job is half the battle, I just didnt know which were the right tools to have. SHERRY, you are a smart lady, thanks for your help.
So far Johannes hasnt commented on my tree that I submitted here, dont know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. I might cry if he says my painting looks like baby vomit LOL
Did you see Johannes youtube video? It touched my heart to know that there are art teachers out there who really CARE about their students. As with others here, I have had bad experiences with art teachers. Its good to know that Johannes is a genuine, caring teacher who has our best interest at heart.
ANN

raxu
04-03-2011, 08:11 AM
Wow, what a lesson yesterday! It was midnight here until I closed the webinar, after that intensive session. Made 11 pages of notes!!! Dreamed of beautiful landscape paintings :lol:

Today, I wanted to try a challenging landscape with lots of trees, from my own photo

photo ref here
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2011/171274-01_retki_alkaa.jpg

I changed some things and tried (TRIED!!!) to simplify. Actually, I put the photo aside after a light sketch, to become more free. Unfortunately I took the backside of something cheap, so the colors stayed floating on the surface. Anyway, this is where I got to:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0859m.jpg

Johannes, your critics have been so valuable and true... thank you for commenting this as well if you find the time... I am so willing to learn!

Size 10x14", 140 lb

Rosemarie
04-03-2011, 08:57 AM
Wow, raxu. it looks beautiful too me!
Maybe I hadn't wandered to the sleepy land if I had taken notes myself. I lost three quarters of an hour. Could it be Johannes' soothing voice??? ;)

raxu
04-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Wow, raxu. it looks beautiful too me!
Maybe I hadn't wandered to the sleepy land if I had taken notes myself. I lost three quarters of an hour. Could it be Johannes' soothing voice??? ;)

Hejsan Rosemarie,

yes, that's it - if you don't pay attention and just start listening to his voice, you get dreamy :lol: . However, I do believe it's worth concentrating...

Hälsningar till Sverige och tack för dina vänliga ord :music:

sylvia
04-03-2011, 10:35 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet_1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet_2.jpg these two sketches show my interpretation of wet on wet. I know I am missing somethig but cant get what that is. I do firat layer wet on wet second layer damp brush and third layer caligraphy? so where am i going wrong because i cannot seem to get the effect you ask for especially in foliage. I can see the flaws in design now or some of them, :confused: thanks to this course!. Phyllis:confused:

Johannes Instructor
04-03-2011, 10:36 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet_1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet_2.jpg these two sketches show my interpretation of wet on wet. I know I am missing somethig but cant get what that is. I do firat layer wet on wet second layer damp brush and third layer caligraphy? so where am i going wrong because i cannot seem to get the effect you ask for especially in foliage. I can see the flaws in design now or some of them, :confused: thanks to this course!. Phyllis:confused:

I don't see wet on wet except for the sky. The background bushes and mountain could be done lost & found wet on wet.

Johannes Instructor
04-03-2011, 10:40 AM
Sorry that I am reposting all three of the same painting so soon. But looking at this painting while listening to all of the don'ts, I had to re-do it, again. So this is my next step in this painting.
First photo of painting is after the plein air last September:

Second painting is this past week after the tree class:

Third painting is after the Don'ts webinar today:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/722862-Bridge_4.JPG

Please let me know what more I can do to make it better. Thank you so much!!

You did the right thing by removing all those unnecessary white spots from your mid dark value mass. The bridge is standing out too much. You will need to echo some of those greens into it

Johannes Instructor
04-03-2011, 10:43 AM
Wow, what a lesson yesterday! It was midnight here until I closed the webinar, after that intensive session. Made 11 pages of notes!!! Dreamed of beautiful landscape paintings :lol:

Today, I wanted to try a challenging landscape with lots of trees, from my own photo

photo ref here


I changed some things and tried (TRIED!!!) to simplify. Actually, I put the photo aside after a light sketch, to become more free. Unfortunately I took the backside of something cheap, so the colors stayed floating on the surface. Anyway, this is where I got to:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0859m.jpg

Johannes, your critics have been so valuable and true... thank you for commenting this as well if you find the time... I am so willing to learn!

Size 10x14", 140 lb

I like that. I would've avoid having the backgroun follow the same line as your white tree. It forms a train track. The watercolor is fresh and is not overworked.

Johannes Instructor
04-03-2011, 11:11 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Apr-2011/867242-Tree_Study_WC.jpg Doing trees in watercolor has been a challenge for me. After letting it dry I noticed some issues, but at least I was able to see those.

AH!! I see diffused edges in background. clap clap!. Watch out for those dark accents. They are way too dark.

Johannes Instructor
04-03-2011, 11:17 AM
I will address the rest of your works early next week. I need to prepare my demo for today so please don't feel I overlooked you.

valh
04-03-2011, 11:25 AM
Joining those trees into one mass was the right thing to do. I would try to add more mauve the background everegreens to push them away from the front area.

Thank you Johannes. :)
I lightened the area with mauve as you suggested and it looks much better. I've been painting that particular scene in my head for years, and probably have a 'hundred' different photos of the same scene. It has always just caught my eye. I'm actually quite pleased with how it turned out and may eventually paint it in a larger size and on a 'real' support (not canvas paper). Looking forward to your class today!
Cheers
Val

New Version Old Version

sylvia
04-03-2011, 11:57 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet3.jpg :cool: OK I swear this wis my last attempt at foliage!!

Colorix
04-04-2011, 04:18 PM
Eveipatra, lovely first pastels, and wow what a difference the changes in the sky made, way to go!


soft pastel


after webinar i change a little the sky

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2011/870782-27022011n.JPG


they are my very first attempt in pastels

eviepatra
04-04-2011, 05:36 PM
Thank you Colorix!
They are made with rembrandt soft pastels on canson paper.
My second experiment will be on paper La Carte Pastel of sennelier and sennelier soft pastels. It is a different feeling more quantity of pastel than on canson paper.

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 08:13 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet3.jpg :cool: OK I swear this wis my last attempt at foliage!!

The tree trunk doesn't have to be that thick.

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 08:14 PM
Eveipatra, lovely first pastels, and wow what a difference the changes in the sky made, way to go!
I like moody paintings. This one definitely has a mood.

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 08:23 PM
Hi Johannes.

Here is my home work on the TREE. I did not want to have a tree hanging, so I put it in a scene, entirely from imagination, trying toyse the elements taught by you.

Looking forward to your C & C and suggestions to improve, particularly the foregroung and middleground.

Thanks once again for your wonderful lessons, without which I would not have been able to attempt watercolors.
This tree is better as an oval than the other one you did. Yet try to avoid your trees from looking pruned.

Johannes Instructor
04-05-2011, 01:09 PM
Here is my watercolor of trees (a group in the background and a single one in the foreground). I've based this on one of your photos, with some modifications (e.g., foaming water in foreground as well as midground).

I've also tried using some of the various techniques you've shown us (e.g., lost-and-found edges and using a credit card for creating rocks).

If I were to do this again, there are some things I would change -- it's hard to concentrate on everything when you're doing watercolor -- it all goes so fast.
Comments are greatly appreciated. THANK YOU!!!
The tree is quite vague if you seek somewhat a realistic work. If you are interested in stylized impressionist look, it looks pretty good. The rock shape is important here and it is working. I would add a breathing gap on the left of the tree trunk though

sylvia
04-05-2011, 06:24 PM
Some tree's: quite a challenge attempting landscapes for a change:wave: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet_41.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet5.jpg
I think it would have helped if i had spritzed the greenery or dry brushed
still i think i am "seeing" trees a little more clearly please critique if you will. thanks

Colorix
04-06-2011, 10:05 AM
Late with last weeks trees (not the wintertrees).

Quick ones in pastel, on paper I want to get rid of.

This one I call 'Broccoli'... :) , and it is the 4th try of this tree.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/117343-Broccoli-f4465.jpg

And tricky American evergreens (not like ours!) -- very sketchy:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/117343-Evergreens-f4456.jpg

Seems to me that even though the intellect has taken in the teachings, the hand and the spine has not, they go on automatic.

Johannes Instructor
04-06-2011, 11:34 AM
Some tree's: quite a challenge attempting landscapes for a change:wave: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet_41.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet5.jpg
I think it would have helped if i had spritzed the greenery or dry brushed
still i think i am "seeing" trees a little more clearly please critique if you will. thanks
I can definitely see you are applying the suggestions for tree branches. I feel the tree trunk is too thick for the amount of foliage the tree occupies. If you make it half that size you will like it more.

Johannes Instructor
04-06-2011, 11:35 AM
Late with last weeks trees (not the wintertrees).

Quick ones in pastel, on paper I want to get rid of.

This one I call 'Broccoli'... :) , and it is the 4th try of this tree.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/117343-Broccoli-f4465.jpg

And tricky American evergreens (not like ours!) -- very sketchy:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Apr-2011/117343-Evergreens-f4456.jpg

Seems to me that even though the intellect has taken in the teachings, the hand and the spine has not, they go on automatic.
I see two equal clusters of foliage on the left. I would join them. Definitely your top tree is abstract. Is there a way you can create a harder edge here and there in the evergreen grouping?

Colorix
04-06-2011, 01:29 PM
Thank you, Johannes. I thought of joining the two equal meatbally clumps, seems I did learn something, as that is the solution you suggest! I'll try to get in some harder edges in the evergreens, *and* move the little tree in front that lines up perfectly with the big 'un behind it... (just saw that, it had escaped me).

luicre
04-07-2011, 09:04 AM
Hi, Johannes. This is my very very first try at a winter landscape. I did it by memory on what youdid on the demo last Sunday.

There a lot of mistakes but I have enjoyed and learnt a lot.

Pastels on yellow Fabriano paper.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/152682-johanes_lanscape.jpg


Thank you very much for your kindness

Luicre

Johannes Instructor
04-07-2011, 09:15 AM
Hi, Johannes. This is my very very first try at a winter landscape. I did it by memory on what youdid on the demo last Sunday.

There a lot of mistakes but I have enjoyed and learnt a lot.

Pastels on yellow Fabriano paper.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Apr-2011/152682-johanes_lanscape.jpg


Thank you very much for your kindness

Luicre

Watch out for cloned shapes.

luicre
04-07-2011, 07:48 PM
Thank you, Johannes. I realized how difficult is to avoid cloned shapes. I have tried to draw with my left hand.

Will try to do better next time.

Saludos

Luicre

etdavis6
04-07-2011, 09:52 PM
Thank you Johannes. Yes, I was trying for an impressionist watercolor. The suggestion about a breathing space is a very good one -- I'll make that change in addition to some others in the larger format version.

Just got my Carlson's Guide and Gill's book today -- so gonna pour through them now.

sylvia
04-08-2011, 06:37 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet6.jpg

Here I thought I would give trees another shot with thinner trunks, how 's this working? Phyllis

Holly B.
04-08-2011, 07:29 PM
Hi Jo and All, w/o excuses here is my homework and thanks for any critique.
:)

Johannes Instructor
04-08-2011, 08:35 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet6.jpg

Here I thought I would give trees another shot with thinner trunks, how 's this working? Phyllis
Watch out for the sling shot look. Observe your tree at the right. At all costs we should avoid tree limbs with exact equal waist lines until the branches get thin.

raxu
04-09-2011, 05:35 AM
Hi Johannes,

Thanks for commenting my tree study and pointing out the background was forming a train track above the white tree. I managed to wash out it quite well, then added some details in the white tree, added some gold brown on the fence post and splatters in front.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0941.jpg

I still think it's better to crop the scene like this, because the white tree is right in the middle of the paper (not my fault, the left brain...)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0942.jpg

Critics welcome, as always! Thanks!

Johannes Instructor
04-09-2011, 07:54 AM
Hi Johannes,

Thanks for commenting my tree study and pointing out the background was forming a train track above the white tree. I managed to wash out it quite well, then added some details in the white tree, added some gold brown on the fence post and splatters in front.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0941.jpg

I still think it's better to crop the scene like this, because the white tree is right in the middle of the paper (not my fault, the left brain...)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/171274-m_IMG_0942.jpg

Critics welcome, as always! Thanks!
Agreed

sylvia
04-09-2011, 01:30 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet_7.jpg

another try at painting a tree which which actually looks like a tree!
why is it that as soon as I upload anything it immediately looks just awful Grrr. Phyllis

Johannes Instructor
04-09-2011, 02:01 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2011/265-wet_in_wet_7.jpg

another try at painting a tree which which actually looks like a tree!
why is it that as soon as I upload anything it immediately looks just awful Grrr. Phyllis
You can round up the foliage into a circle. I think that si what is bothering you.

Pinklady219
04-09-2011, 03:06 PM
My attempt for homework trees. thank you sooo much:wave: