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Johannes Instructor
03-21-2011, 01:48 PM
The homework was for you to landscape subjects with soft edges and lost and found edges. It can decidious trees or evergreens.

LynnM
03-21-2011, 02:17 PM
I found it hard to separate the left brain thinking about where the patches of wet paper were, from shaping the trees....a bit too much symmetry in the first but I liked the technique. The single tree, done first while I was watching your demo, worked best. These are tiny, about 3 inches high, watercolour.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2011/97813-Edges-two.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2011/97813-Edges-single.jpg

painterted
03-21-2011, 02:38 PM
Last Sunday was awesome for watercolorists, I have improved my watercolor greatly from your teaching.

Leaf and evergreen done in wet and wet.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2011/909312-P3200002.JPG


Leaf tree with hit and miss water, and a evergreen wet on dry with some edges defused.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2011/909312-P3200001.JPG

NeldaJansen
03-21-2011, 03:59 PM
Edges Homework: Oils

What a fun technique, though I probably took too long with it, and let it get overworked. I think it would have been better to have had an abstract shape in mind beforehand, then done the brush loading and imitated the preconceived shape, in a fresher application.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2011/84957-Tree_on_a_Hill.jpg

I loved the colors loaded together on the brush, and the interesting way they marbled. I tried to soften some edges and leave others crisp.

Nel

Johannes Instructor
03-21-2011, 04:46 PM
Edges Homework: Oils

What a fun technique, though I probably took too long with it, and let it get overworked. I think it would have been better to have had an abstract shape in mind beforehand, then done the brush loading and imitated the preconceived shape, in a fresher application.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2011/84957-Tree_on_a_Hill.jpg

I loved the colors loaded together on the brush, and the interesting way they marbled. I tried to soften some edges and leave others crisp.

Nel

Nice job, nice shape! Now can you blur some of the areas on the right into the sky so it looks more 3D. More lost & found edges. The lost edge indicates that section of the tree goes back and the found edge (hard edge) indicates that area is closer to you.

robertsloan2
03-21-2011, 04:59 PM
Edge Experiments I: Not a Pretty Picture...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2011/70184-3-21-2011-Edge-Experiments-1.jpg

Things that worked: the Paynes Grey clumps of distant trees floating soft-edged into the wet in wet sky. Some of the softer passages in the clouds. The variegation of colors in the orangy hill area, which was done wet in wet. Some of the shapes in the shoreline of the water bit. Getting the water darker than the sky.

Things that completely fell apart:

Dragging the Paynes Grey distant trees down over the edge of the original melodic horizon line I created by painting the whole sky area with water. If I was going to do that I should've washed the whole page first and then brought in broad masses of color wet in wet, then started refining specific areas in it.

Doing hard-edged areas of the painting without stopping short of the area I watered.

Playing with the water area after I got it too dark, trying to soften its hard edges, sponging out cloud reflections with a tissue. I should use a DAMP cloth or tissue for sponging out soft cloud reflections and try next time not to go right up to the edge of the washed area.

It would've been a lot prettier doing that water shape wet in wet, then refining it later wet on dry or wet on damp.

But this does have a variety of soft and hard edges and I did get a feel for the edges and ways to create them. More later. It'll be easier doing individual trees on white, I think, or I'll just tone a page with light blue to begin with and develop everything with light blue undertones. Or sketch my tree masses to begin with.

Since this was just goofing around I didn't plan its values. It'll become part of a stack of experiments or get recycled by toning the big white patch and turn it into pastel paper with pastel primer.

Let me know if you think it'd be worth treating it as a pastel underpainting or if it's hopeless at this point. I think values are mostly middle with possibly a mid-dark mass of trees situated in that big white unpainted area, could always value map it ex post facto to see what I can salvage with pastels. It's Montval practice paper anyway so it's not a great loss to treat it as a Failed Trial.

Next time I won't try to show off just painting spontaneously without a plan!

karan55
03-21-2011, 07:56 PM
The Arches 140 CP, 100% cotton paper made a huge difference. I still need to keep my focus on controlling the wetness of the paint and the brush. I forgot to dry my brush a few times and my paint would dry up so I would wet my paint and then it would be too wet. etc, etc.

One thing I did notice!! I would have a soft edge while the paper was still wet, but as the paper dried... the pigment would go up to the end of the wettness and later form a hard edge....the color was lighter in color and value but none the less it was physically a hard edge that was not there when I was finished painting????????????

I had a great time doing my homework; time flew by. I was amazed how long it took me, but it was time well spent. It is great having assignments to practice on!!!!! Thank you.....Thank you!!!!!

wetbob
03-22-2011, 05:58 AM
1 hour oils
did nt upload:(
"I ll be back"

Amandine
03-22-2011, 08:31 AM
The homework was for you to landscape subjects with soft edges and lost and found edges. It can decidious trees or evergreens.
Johannes, could you please explain what the homework is. :confused: I cannot watch live demos because of my satellite internet connexion so, I miss any instruction given. Thanks.
Amandine

Johannes Instructor
03-22-2011, 09:48 AM
I found it hard to separate the left brain thinking about where the patches of wet paper were, from shaping the trees....a bit too much symmetry in the first but I liked the technique. The single tree, done first while I was watching your demo, worked best. These are tiny, about 3 inches high, watercolour.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2011/97813-Edges-two.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2011/97813-Edges-single.jpg

The wet on wet application is spot on. You were able to make a
a) Hard edge
b) soft edge
c) diffused edge

Remember if your tree shape can fit in circle even though it has some variations which makes it scientifically non symmetrical but visually, especially from a distance it would still be symmetrical.

Johannes Instructor
03-22-2011, 09:50 AM
Last Sunday was awesome for watercolorists, I have improved my watercolor greatly from your teaching.

Leaf and evergreen done in wet and wet.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2011/909312-P3200002.JPG


Leaf tree with hit and miss water, and a evergreen wet on dry with some edges defused.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Mar-2011/909312-P3200001.JPG

Yes, you did. Those shapes are abstract. The two sides are different. You variegated colors. I am pleased with that. I see professional quality here.

Johannes Instructor
03-22-2011, 09:51 AM
Johannes, could you please explain what the homework is. :confused: I cannot watch live demos because of my satellite internet connexion so, I miss any instruction given. Thanks.
Amandine
Please type this in the ask Gina thread.

Johannes Instructor
03-22-2011, 09:52 AM
The Arches 140 CP, 100% cotton paper made a huge difference. I still need to keep my focus on controlling the wetness of the paint and the brush. I forgot to dry my brush a few times and my paint would dry up so I would wet my paint and then it would be too wet. etc, etc.

One thing I did notice!! I would have a soft edge while the paper was still wet, but as the paper dried... the pigment would go up to the end of the wettness and later form a hard edge....the color was lighter in color and value but none the less it was physically a hard edge that was not there when I was finished painting????????????

I had a great time doing my homework; time flew by. I was amazed how long it took me, but it was time well spent. It is great having assignments to practice on!!!!! Thank you.....Thank you!!!!!

I see a lost & found technique in the tree at the left at the top.

Johannes Instructor
03-22-2011, 09:54 AM
The Arches 140 CP, 100% cotton paper made a huge difference. I still need to keep my focus on controlling the wetness of the paint and the brush. I forgot to dry my brush a few times and my paint would dry up so I would wet my paint and then it would be too wet. etc, etc.

One thing I did notice!! I would have a soft edge while the paper was still wet, but as the paper dried... the pigment would go up to the end of the wettness and later form a hard edge....the color was lighter in color and value but none the less it was physically a hard edge that was not there when I was finished painting????????????

I had a great time doing my homework; time flew by. I was amazed how long it took me, but it was time well spent. It is great having assignments to practice on!!!!! Thank you.....Thank you!!!!!

You have some neat dry brushing at the top tree. The letters are showing up with the technique.

painterted
03-22-2011, 10:56 AM
Thanks Johannes. I have a couple of questions, how do you paint clutter (sort of a multi color fill in), and how to paint a light color tree in front a darker evergreen.
Maybe if you put a watercolor course on or if you get some time at the end of this course you could show us watercolorist how to do this.

ted

karan55
03-22-2011, 11:39 AM
I would have a soft edge while the paper was still wet, but as the paper dried... the pigment would go up to the end of the wettness and later form a hard edge....the color was lighter in color and value but none the less it was physically a hard edge that was not there when I was finished painting???????????? Is there something I did wrong or is there a way to minimize this occurence? I had to go back on the dry painting and scrub the edges with a wet brush and was not that happy with those results as much as the ones that stayed soft edged the first go around.

JFountain
03-22-2011, 11:50 AM
I did one in watercolor and acrylic I watered down the acrylic to get that soft edge effect. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/775222-johannes_landscape_pics_002.jpg

JFountain
03-22-2011, 11:52 AM
I did one in watercolor and acrylic I watered down the acrylic to get that soft edge effect. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/775222-johannes_landscape_pics_002.jpg I messed up the top of the watercolor tree. I rubbed it trying to get a softer edge on the top should have left it alone bah humbug.

jfwalton
03-22-2011, 01:14 PM
680698I am learning so much in this webinar. I attempted to keep to the three values, worked on my edges, soft and hard. I think I went to light too fast. Thanks for the webinar.

JFountain
03-22-2011, 01:25 PM
I did a water color and acrylic need more practicehttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/775222-johannes_landscape_pics_003.jpg

CatinVT
03-22-2011, 05:38 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/147827-watercolor_tree.jpg
It's been a while since I've worked with watercolors, which is probably obvious, but Sunday was incredibly inspiring. I think I fussed with this a bit too much, but I got it here. Look forward to your comments. - Cathy

B4painter
03-22-2011, 08:14 PM
Here's my attempt at watercolor letters and tree. Barb S
Clearly can tell I'm not a watercolor painter! LOLhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/68215-Graphic1.JPG
First E was to heavy with paint - Tree had a tendency to spread when I added more colors. :(

mozapony
03-22-2011, 09:26 PM
I'm paint watercolor.

My abstract shapes went out the window when I thought about the
technique. lol A new method for me (need practice). I hope I've mentioned
the techniques right. Oops, 90 lb paper was what I grabbed in my hasty
after thought to do exercises. Thanks for the nuggets.

These we done in Edges DEMO CLASS , paint along with Johannes.
It's apparent I lost control of the water in my hurry. Tree trunks made
using a small brush (I used a rigger) held upright for thin branches and
suppose to hold it down flat on paper, pulled along to make them thicker.
(RIGHT HAND PIC DONE FIRST, blah, thought I'd post it anyways)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/133246-homework_1.jpg

DEMO class I painted along: water patches at random, then loaded flat
brush with paint, apply with brush on its side to make hard & soft edges.
Hard edges are to be at eye level. I think the haste makes a difference,
the abstract shapes were not quite there for me. lol

The white circle marks in the leaves, the demo on removing paint with a spray
bottle turned to a full stream jet held close to the paper. It worked pretty
darn good. thx again.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/133246-homework_2.jpg

HOMEWORK on controlling water. Wet paper with water. Waited till
the shine went off the paper and then applied paint.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/133246-homework_4.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/133246-homework_3.jpg

I appreciate you muchly.
.
rgds
Sandee

thankful
03-22-2011, 10:15 PM
Hi Johannes,

Here is an attempt in oils from one of your reference photos. Very new to oils. Normally, work in watercolor.

Enjoying your instruction and thanks for offering to critique our work. Audio had breaks in last class so I missed it, but ususally able to watch.

Thanks!
June

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/58972-Jo_homework.jpg

wc3f4o9r1um
03-22-2011, 11:20 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/203506-img123_copy.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/203506-img124_copy.jpg

wc3f4o9r1um
03-22-2011, 11:57 PM
Tried to improve these. Not sure I succeeded.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/203506-img125_copy.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/203506-img126_copy.jpg

artastic
03-23-2011, 09:01 AM
I did not get the demo on sunday (sadly) but have been reading Roberts notes and the discussion.
here are some WC trees (my usual media) with lost and found edges (I hope)and an acrylc, thank you for the info on lost and found with acrylic, as I fear mine have been lacking the 3D look.
in the acrylic I have attempted the perceived soft edge using values, and some scrumbling.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/104250-tree1.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/104250-tree2-3.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/104250-tree4.jpg

spirothet
03-23-2011, 12:04 PM
Hi Johannes,

I started to practice the edges you asked for and one thing led to another and I found myself painting a seascape. This is the very first attempt at a watercolor. I believe I captured all the different brush strokes. Please give me your impressions. Thank you, Cali

spirothet
03-23-2011, 12:16 PM
I forgot to mention that the seascape was done on Cold Press paper.

sue burke
03-23-2011, 12:52 PM
These are all acrylic on canvas. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/4226-red_tree_edge_1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/4226-soft_edge_1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/4226-soft_edge.jpg

BumpaBob
03-23-2011, 02:26 PM
Hi Johannes:
Here is my shot at the latest homework, the letters and trees:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/946754-Mar21Homework1_1.jpg
Also I did a couple of experiments with the watercolor, trying to create soft edges on dry trees:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/946754-Mar21Homework2_1.jpg
For # 3, I painted on some thick paint with angular brush strokes, then after it dired, tried to wetbrush and drybrush out the edges, with just water and also paint in the brush. On #4 I put in some classic giant apples on the tree, then after the paint dried, I sprayed with water and let it settle in. Then I tried moving the paper at different angles to get the dissolving paint to run and spread out. It looks like #4 did work a little better; I did use a flat brush to help the mobile color move out a bit more.
Question: when painting a background tree and trying to get soft edges, do you recommend a flat or round brush? I messed around with both on another sheet and got pointy marks with the round brush. Thanks! bob.c

Silverlark
03-23-2011, 04:29 PM
Hi Johannes,
Here is my trees homework. I gave them environments (they looked lonely), hope you don't mind. Tried to get all the different kinds of edges on them. They are both 5x7, acrylics on illustration board.I think the colors got brightened up by my monitor. Anyways, please tell me what can be done to improve them!
Thanks,
Theresa

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/10034-edgeshomework.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/10034-edgeshomework2.jpg

Strawberry Wine
03-23-2011, 05:03 PM
Here are my two efforts.. I had more difficulty with the conifers trying to get my right brain around a non symmetrical shape.

I really liked working with the flat brush for the tree trunk... Wondering how I can adapt that technique for painting birches.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/13320-trees_hard_and_soft_edges__two_.jpg

Comments and critiques please

Cheers,

Gail

little miss sunshine
03-23-2011, 11:42 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/867242-Edges_in_Watercolor.jpg Exercize with edges. Watercolor.

azulparsnip
03-24-2011, 05:09 AM
didn't see the live session but read Sloan's notes - this is two takes on the same large bushy treehttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Mar-2011/88676-class1119.jpg

jmcedeno
03-24-2011, 02:49 PM
Well, here is my attempt to the exercise of edges in watercolor. Now will try Acrylic, wish me luck.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Mar-2011/159973-Edges_Excercises-IMG_0227.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:29 PM
Well, here is my attempt to the exercise of edges in watercolor. Now will try Acrylic, wish me luck.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Mar-2011/159973-Edges_Excercises-IMG_0227.jpg

No wet on wet in the watercolors? no.......................!

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:33 PM
didn't see the live session but read Sloan's notes - this is two takes on the same large bushy treehttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Mar-2011/88676-class1119.jpg

Hello Robin! Nice to see a moderator posting. The green has a nice color to it but the shapes would benefit by making them more abstract.
How do we make a shape more abstract?

1) If both sides differ
2) That visually (not scientificallty) they don't look symmterical
3) That is it were to placed ina box for shipping it would not fit in a square box. Neither would if fit in a box that would be circular such as for chocolates.

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:34 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/867242-Edges_in_Watercolor.jpg Exercize with edges. Watercolor.

I can never make a tree that ends up fitting into a circle work. If it isn't ovalish I just can't find myself to like it no matter what I do inside that shape.

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:35 PM
Here are my two efforts.. I had more difficulty with the conifers trying to get my right brain around a non symmetrical shape.

I really liked working with the flat brush for the tree trunk... Wondering how I can adapt that technique for painting birches.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/13320-trees_hard_and_soft_edges__two_.jpg

Comments and critiques please

Cheers,

Gail

I would like to see lost & found edges on the tree on the right. The whole shape is hard edge.

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:37 PM
Hi Johannes,
Here is my trees homework. I gave them environments (they looked lonely), hope you don't mind. Tried to get all the different kinds of edges on them. They are both 5x7, acrylics on illustration board.I think the colors got brightened up by my monitor. Anyways, please tell me what can be done to improve them!
Thanks,
Theresa

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/10034-edgeshomework.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/10034-edgeshomework2.jpg

I would still smudge edges in the parts that you see receding. You have soft edges but not DIFFUSED edges (this is softer than soft). The more something goes into the distance the less defined the edge is. This would also apply to edges that go into the no fly zone. The top painting where the tree is if you diffuse the edge near the frame more, the better it will look.

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:40 PM
Hi Johannes:
Here is my shot at the latest homework, the letters and trees:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/946754-Mar21Homework1_1.jpg
Also I did a couple of experiments with the watercolor, trying to create soft edges on dry trees:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/946754-Mar21Homework2_1.jpg
For # 3, I painted on some thick paint with angular brush strokes, then after it dired, tried to wetbrush and drybrush out the edges, with just water and also paint in the brush. On #4 I put in some classic giant apples on the tree, then after the paint dried, I sprayed with water and let it settle in. Then I tried moving the paper at different angles to get the dissolving paint to run and spread out. It looks like #4 did work a little better; I did use a flat brush to help the mobile color move out a bit more.
Question: when painting a background tree and trying to get soft edges, do you recommend a flat or round brush? I messed around with both on another sheet and got pointy marks with the round brush. Thanks! bob.c

Your alphabet letters are great but the trees are not showing lost & found edges. Just a bit on one evergreen.

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:43 PM
These are all acrylic on canvas. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/4226-red_tree_edge_1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/4226-soft_edge_1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/4226-soft_edge.jpg
The soft edge on the top left tree creates the illusion that the foliage is further back. That is good.

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:44 PM
I did not get the demo on sunday (sadly) but have been reading Roberts notes and the discussion.
here are some WC trees (my usual media) with lost and found edges (I hope)and an acrylc, thank you for the info on lost and found with acrylic, as I fear mine have been lacking the 3D look.
in the acrylic I have attempted the perceived soft edge using values, and some scrumbling.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/104250-tree1.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/104250-tree2-3.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Mar-2011/104250-tree4.jpg
Very symmetrical. At all costs if we put a tree shape in a mirror it should not look like we didn't

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:45 PM
I did one in watercolor and acrylic I watered down the acrylic to get that soft edge effect. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/775222-johannes_landscape_pics_002.jpg I messed up the top of the watercolor tree. I rubbed it trying to get a softer edge on the top should have left it alone bah humbug.

As far as edges left one is good. As far as shapes..... way too symmetrical both of them.

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:46 PM
Hi Johannes,

I started to practice the edges you asked for and one thing led to another and I found myself painting a seascape. This is the very first attempt at a watercolor. I believe I captured all the different brush strokes. Please give me your impressions. Thank you, Cali

Artists look for contrasts. Sharp hard edged angular rocks against soft edged foam. That recipe always works.

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:48 PM
Hi Johannes,

Here is an attempt in oils from one of your reference photos. Very new to oils. Normally, work in watercolor.

Enjoying your instruction and thanks for offering to critique our work. Audio had breaks in last class so I missed it, but ususally able to watch.

Thanks!
June

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/58972-Jo_homework.jpg

Lots of value 8's. We don't need to go that dark unless it is to create a concave indentation in trees or rocks and even that may be too dark unlesss you place those indentations into a value 7 mass.

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:55 PM
Tried to improve these. Not sure I succeeded.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/203506-img125_copy.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2011/203506-img126_copy.jpg
Lost & Found worked well for tree shape on right. Tree shape is not abstract enough though.

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 06:57 PM
I would have a soft edge while the paper was still wet, but as the paper dried... the pigment would go up to the end of the wettness and later form a hard edge....the color was lighter in color and value but none the less it was physically a hard edge that was not there when I was finished painting???????????? Is there something I did wrong or is there a way to minimize this occurence? I had to go back on the dry painting and scrub the edges with a wet brush and was not that happy with those results as much as the ones that stayed soft edged the first go around.

That's watercolor for you. Like a wild animal that needs to be tamed. I need to see a photo.

karan55
03-24-2011, 08:21 PM
That's watercolor for you. Like a wild animal that needs to be tamed. I need to see a photo.

Charlie agreed with me that art was similar to horses; her words were so cute...."You climb onto this huge thing, and it takes you for a wild ride! Painting can be loving and gentle, and screaming defiance and bite you! (Metaphorically.) Most often, a gentle but firm and steady hand does it, and if you get nervous it will show up in the strokes. Oh, you're right, there are many similarities!"

Now you tell me WC is like a wild animal that needs taming......I guess I have some fun ahead.....believe me taming wild animals seemed easier and I have gotten bit a few times too many!!!

I was too unhappy to post this picture....but I also want to learn from my mistakes....so here it is. It started out more asymetrical.....but my left brain went in and filled in the areas as I painted on. Darn that left brain; and I am suppossedly a right brain dominant!!!!

BTW....I really enjoyed all the animal humor...Your son was lucky there was a fence between him and the cattle or they would have been rite on top of him and in his stuff!!!!
__________________

NeldaJansen
03-24-2011, 08:27 PM
Hi Johannes:

I have tried another "tree" painting, with a palette knife and oils, on a canvas panel. This one more clearly has both lost and found edges. The blue-ish tree is supposed to look further back.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Mar-2011/84957-Trees_Palette_Knife.jpg

Comments and critiques welcome.
Nel

spirothet
03-24-2011, 09:28 PM
Your response is a bit unclear to me. Could you perhaps suggest how I could fix my watercolor. I realize this is my first attempt at it and it would help me to better understand as an artist how to correct this. You say to look for contrasts. Sharp hard edged angular rocks against soft edged foam. I see the hard edged angular rocks. How would I create soft edged foam for this recipe to work? Thank you!

shbezaire
03-24-2011, 09:47 PM
Hi Johannes,

Here is last week's revised home work: horizon straightened, 3 trees on the left now one mass, and both front and back river edges varied. Your recommendations made a better composition!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Mar-2011/308661-IMG_0022.JPG

Here is this weeks homework: deciduous and evergreen trees and soft and hard edges. I also left some spots where the under painting shows through, as you discussed on Sunday. Can't wait for spring!!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Mar-2011/308661-IMG_0020.JPG

Looking forward to what's next...
Susi
Fine Artwww.SusiHavensBezaire.com (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/www.SusiHavensBezaire.com)

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 10:37 PM
Charlie agreed with me that art was similar to horses; her words were so cute...."You climb onto this huge thing, and it takes you for a wild ride! Painting can be loving and gentle, and screaming defiance and bite you! (Metaphorically.) Most often, a gentle but firm and steady hand does it, and if you get nervous it will show up in the strokes. Oh, you're right, there are many similarities!"

Now you tell me WC is like a wild animal that needs taming......I guess I have some fun ahead.....believe me taming wild animals seemed easier and I have gotten bit a few times too many!!!

I was too unhappy to post this picture....but I also want to learn from my mistakes....so here it is. It started out more asymetrical.....but my left brain went in and filled in the areas as I painted on. Darn that left brain; and I am suppossedly a right brain dominant!!!!

BTW....I really enjoyed all the animal humor...Your son was lucky there was a fence between him and the cattle or they would have been rite on top of him and in his stuff!!!!
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Yeah, my son beefed up that painting. The tree shape is much better.

mcbru
03-24-2011, 10:46 PM
Johannes my tree sketch homework in oils. C & C's always welcome.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Mar-2011/57396-homework.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 10:56 PM
Hi Johannes,

Here is last week's revised home work: horizon straightened, 3 trees on the left now one mass, and both front and back river edges varied. Your recommendations made a better composition!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Mar-2011/308661-IMG_0022.JPG

Here is this weeks homework: deciduous and evergreen trees and soft and hard edges. I also left some spots where the under painting shows through, as you discussed on Sunday. Can't wait for spring!!!



Looking forward to what's next...
Susi
Fine Artwww.SusiHavensBezaire.com (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/www.SusiHavensBezaire.com)
Look at the tree about one third from the left. See how it appears pasted on? The way to avoid that is to blur some the edges. This is where lost & found edges work well. In this case blur the edges on the left leaving the right side with more hard edges because the eye will scan that in its journey towards the back. You should be proud of this painting. The design is so well done.

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 10:59 PM
Johannes my tree sketch homework in oils. C & C's always welcome.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Mar-2011/57396-homework.jpg
I would like to see lost and found edges. I see about the same edges along the contour.

Johannes Instructor
03-24-2011, 11:07 PM
Hi Johannes:

I have tried another "tree" painting, with a palette knife and oils, on a canvas panel. This one more clearly has both lost and found edges. The blue-ish tree is supposed to look further back.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Mar-2011/84957-Trees_Palette_Knife.jpg

Comments and critiques welcome.
Nel

You did a real good job. You probably intended this to be a study but it is good enough to be a framable painting. The negative shapes at the left are well designed. However you can vary the negative spaces in between your tree trunks as well as the tree trunks not to be the same diameter, Here is a tip that works for me. I place the darker shadows in the tree foliage near the bottom of my trees but as I get close to the top I start to lighten these. That way the two areas do not compete. The rule of thumb is that all your darks should connect visually. Once a shadowed tree area breaks off from this connection the value should change.

valh
03-24-2011, 11:30 PM
Hi Johannes
Here is my 'edges' homework. I had only Roberts, Terry K., and B4painters' notes (Thank You!!) to get an idea of what you wanted (last weekends audio/video was just not watchable).....so I really hope I'm on the right track. The lone fall colored tree shape I did before I found all info available. The evergreen trees grew from just one tree to a wee forest before I knew it. I started with the tree on the left and worked my way to the right fighting all the way for abstract shapes. Painting the sky in both pictures was a challenge but kinda fun too. I liked changing what had gone before. c&c welcome.
cheers!
Val

sherrysherman
03-24-2011, 11:39 PM
I have tried another "tree" painting, with a palette knife and oils, on a canvas panel. This one more clearly has both lost and found edges. The blue-ish tree is supposed to look further back.

Nel, I really like how you did these trees. You did this with a palette knife only?? Love the edges. I don't do oils, but I want to try to create a similar look with pastels.

azulparsnip
03-25-2011, 12:23 AM
Thank you Johannes for the critique on avoiding symbol/ staid shapes of trees. I just couldn't see what was making them so insipid.

Johannes Instructor
03-25-2011, 09:56 AM
Hi Johannes
Here is my 'edges' homework. I had only Roberts, Terry K., and B4painters' notes (Thank You!!) to get an idea of what you wanted (last weekends audio/video was just not watchable).....so I really hope I'm on the right track. The lone fall colored tree shape I did before I found all info available. The evergreen trees grew from just one tree to a wee forest before I knew it. I started with the tree on the left and worked my way to the right fighting all the way for abstract shapes. Painting the sky in both pictures was a challenge but kinda fun too. I liked changing what had gone before. c&c welcome.
cheers!
Val

The shape has a bit too much of a jagged edge. Can you make those edges more melodic so the eye surfs the linear movement in a rhythmic way.

karan55
03-25-2011, 10:21 AM
Yeah, my son beefed up that painting. The tree shape is much better.
You just could not resist adding more Humor!! So glad!

RE: Post #50

I left out the most important part/reason of my post (#50)! All those arrows were pointing to were the soft edges turned hard after it dried.

jmcedeno
03-25-2011, 02:34 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/159973-Acrylic_Edges-IMG_0230.jpg I'm, back with Acrylic Edges this time, I did this very fast so I could control the edges but soon I realized that this is a difficult animal to tame, but I will not quit trying because I like acrylic.

Judibelle
03-25-2011, 02:54 PM
I tried a couple of trees in watercolor...size 4x6
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/103700-scan0005.jpg_soft_edge_trees.jpg

Yabut
03-25-2011, 04:32 PM
I thought I'd try the tree in acrylics

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/52194-edges_tree.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/52194-soft_edges_letters.jpg
in Watercolour

Valleygarden
03-25-2011, 04:39 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/933712-misc_Mar252011_246.JPG Here's my watercolor homework on 140 lb cold press. Your c&c will be appreciated. This is my first attemp after taking your webinar.

aerynsun
03-25-2011, 05:16 PM
First time posting with upload. took a while to get right size. Dont like my branches on the trees. Still struggling with Trees.

LadyMadonna
03-25-2011, 05:27 PM
I practised a few strokes with the tree. The smaller painting I just did to show different lines .. did I mention I am NOT watercolorist and I applaud all of you who are !!

Silverlark
03-25-2011, 05:34 PM
I would still smudge edges in the parts that you see receding. You have soft edges but not DIFFUSED edges (this is softer than soft). The more something goes into the distance the less defined the edge is. This would also apply to edges that go into the no fly zone. The top painting where the tree is if you diffuse the edge near the frame more, the better it will look.

Here are the same ones (believe it or not!)
Both: Acrylics, 5x7
I tried to get more diffusion. Also softened far edges of foliage.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/10034-edgeoakstree2.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/10034-edgesfirtree2.jpg

valh
03-25-2011, 06:01 PM
The shape has a bit too much of a jagged edge. Can you make those edges more melodic so the eye surfs the linear movement in a rhythmic way.

Thanks for your input Johannes. I redid the edges on the large lone tree and suspect I went too far. But it is easier to read that shape now. I also cleaned up some of the edges in the evergreens and then was reluctant to go further. I am such a chicken at times, worried about wrecking what's already done. :eek:
Practise, practise, practise......

judyfilarecki
03-25-2011, 06:14 PM
Here is my tree in acrylics. I use Golden Opens so they dry a little slower or re-wet to soften the edges. I like the technique of using the flat brush position for making the broken edges, but I need some older bristle brushes that I don't mind flaring out when back loading the brush for multi-colors.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/190342-lost_found_edges.jpg

robertsloan2
03-25-2011, 07:17 PM
Edges homework in monochrome Burnt Umber, 1/2" flat brush.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/70184-3-25-2011-Class-Edges-Homework-Burnt-Umber.jpg

For letters I used my monogram signature on three different levels of wetness - one of them had two levels at the same time, it still had some sheen on the right where it became very diffuse. The second one was damp but still very easy to read, the smallest was wet on dry for comparison. The tree on the left was painted over patches of water and some dry areas. The tree on the right, I painted it wet on dry to test what would happen if I sprayed an area with water. I liked what it did to the edges but it created blossoms inside it, so I went in with thick paint and created a dark streak to break them up.

It was a fun experiment. Wish I'd been up to doing more this week, came down with something a couple of days ago and have been way out of it for days. Still looking forward to class tomorrow, wouldn't miss that for anything!

mlgk
03-25-2011, 07:49 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/161785-tree-lesson
This is oil. I didn't dry brush the edges as it was still wet. Also I didn't get enough paint on the canvas so that the canvas is showing. When I started learning to paint I learned to do a value study and then glazed over this with color so it is hard for me to get thick paint on the canvas. How do I learn to load my brush and make thicker paint strokes ?

Mary in Oregon
03-25-2011, 08:35 PM
Didn't have time to create something new....so here's some old landscape subjects I've done with soft edges and lost and found edges....all painted with acrylics.

These evergreens are mostly drybrush, if I remember right!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/156175-lost-found2.jpg

This is a twilight scene, deciduous trees mostly painted wet into wet with acrylics. ("Golden Open Acrylics" used)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/156175-lost-found1.jpg

I tried all acrylic techniques in this scene ... a combo of drybrush, wet into wet and over-painting to combine colors.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Mar-2011/156175-lost-found3.jpg

On second look...those edges I have marked as 'found' in the above photo would probably be better if they were lost or soft...am I correct?

etdavis6
03-25-2011, 10:09 PM
Hi Johannes:wave:
I've attached my watercolor trying to do lost-and-found edges (with some wet-in-wet) as well as a little dry brushing on the foliage.
Please let me know what you think. Also, how do the colors work?

I'd like to work this up into a landscape watercolor, so I've also attached the original photo and a structure sketch. (There would be a white fence and shrubs in the background instead of the dark fence.) How is the composition of the structure sketch?

Thanks for your classes. I plan to buy the CDs of your webcams. It's very useful to actually see someone painting.:clap:

N.Ramchandran
03-26-2011, 03:57 AM
Hi Johannes,

I have attched my homework. I am not happy and want your comments
please.

wetbob
03-26-2011, 07:08 AM
oils on paper for oils
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Mar-2011/100299-4.JPG
Clooned tree and rock:confused:

wetbob
03-26-2011, 07:12 AM
oils on gessoed paper for oils
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Mar-2011/100299-3.JPG
WB

Jonnio
03-26-2011, 08:57 AM
Hi Johannes,

Here's my edges homework. I'm OK with my edges, but not all that happy with my shapes :(

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Mar-2011/724322-tree1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Mar-2011/724322-tree2.jpg

rib00
03-26-2011, 10:35 AM
Here's my attempt at edges. Am I close to where I need to be?

Kurlie
03-27-2011, 01:14 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Mar-2011/187427-Grassy_Knoll_Tree_6_OP.jpg
You can see from my title of this....I know I need HELP.:(
I was having problems sticking to the six color palete. This breaks about every rule Johannes has tried to teach! Late comers beware, notes are great, but live is better....I hope (Mar 27 first demo attended).

Silverlark
03-28-2011, 10:09 AM
Well Johannes,
I killed my little oak tree edges homework painting. Went back to work on it some more and it died under my brush. Frustrating, but I realize this is just an occupational hazard. Undeterred, I've started it over.

Someone said you reviewed this painting on the webinar. If so,I missed that part --if you did review it will you tell me what you'd said? Here it is again to refresh your memory. Thanks for all your help! This course has been great so far and has meant meant a lot to me.
Theresa
p.s. BTW I'm a professional caricaturist, have done some illustration, & also lots of clay sculpture.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2011/10034-edgeoakstree2.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-28-2011, 01:10 PM
Well Johannes,
I killed my little oak tree edges homework painting. Went back to work on it some more and it died under my brush. Frustrating, but I realize this is just an occupational hazard. Undeterred, I've started it over.

Someone said you reviewed this painting on the webinar. If so,I missed that part --if you did review it will you tell me what you'd said? Here it is again to refresh your memory. Thanks for all your help! This course has been great so far and has meant meant a lot to me.
Theresa
p.s. BTW I'm a professional caricaturist, have done some illustration, & also lots of clay sculpture.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2011/10034-edgeoakstree2.jpg
I said the tree shape was abstract and because it was ovalish, it worked.

Silverlark
03-28-2011, 01:13 PM
I said the tree shape was abstract and because it was ovalish, it worked.

Thanks! I'm glad it worked! Even if I ruined it in the end.
The new one is well underway. Hope to improve the overall value masses. My biggest challenge.
Theresa

northbank
03-30-2011, 02:22 PM
A bit behind with this upload, but no excuses...here are my edges and a few trees trying to work into some of the wet dabs as we were shown. I have been practicing trees a lot and need to do lots more, this is going to take me awhile....be still left brain. treeshttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/846392-letters.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/846392-1tree.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/846392-tree4.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-30-2011, 04:47 PM
A bit behind with this upload, but no excuses...here are my edges and a few trees trying to work into some of the wet dabs as we were shown. I have been practicing trees a lot and need to do lots more, this is going to take me awhile....be still left brain. treeshttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/846392-letters.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/846392-1tree.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Mar-2011/846392-tree4.jpg

I would like to see some bleeding edges. If we don't do this with watercolor the subjects will seem pasted on. You are variegating the colors and are thinking more in abstract. That delights me.

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 08:22 PM
Hi Johannes,

I have attched my homework. I am not happy and want your comments
please.
The idea os watercolor is not to blot the paint to get a soft edge but to allow the pigment to "bleed" into the sky and provoke these soft edges skillfully.
If the foliage fits in a circle the tree will not look good.

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 08:34 PM
oils on paper for oils
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Mar-2011/100299-4.JPG
Clooned tree and rock:confused:

Tree can be more abstract.

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 08:38 PM
Thanks Johannes. I have a couple of questions, how do you paint clutter (sort of a multi color fill in), and how to paint a light color tree in front a darker evergreen.
Maybe if you put a watercolor course on or if you get some time at the end of this course you could show us watercolorist how to do this.

ted
Your question is not clear to me but I assume you are asking how to variegate colors in a shape. I double load the brush place a short stroke, load the brush again with a different color place a short stroke again and keep on going until I fill the whole area.

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 08:42 PM
oils on gessoed paper for oils
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Mar-2011/100299-3.JPG
WB

Foliage is a circle visually and both your tree trunks are cloned visually because of the diameter.

Johannes Instructor
04-04-2011, 08:50 PM
Hi Johannes,

Here's my edges homework. I'm OK with my edges, but not all that happy with my shapes :(

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Mar-2011/724322-tree1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Mar-2011/724322-tree2.jpg

Round foliage is hard to make it work. Think in "ovalish" foliage. This excludes the tree trunks.

painterted
04-05-2011, 10:14 AM
Your question is not clear to me but I assume you are asking how to variegate colors in a shape. I double load the brush place a short stroke, load the brush again with a different color place a short stroke again and keep on going until I fill the whole area.


Johannes, I was meaning stuff like leaves, sticks, stones, small brush, weeds etc. I call it clutter. What do you do to paint this into a picture?

ted

Johannes Instructor
04-05-2011, 01:19 PM
Johannes, I was meaning stuff like leaves, sticks, stones, small brush, weeds etc. I call it clutter. What do you do to paint this into a picture?

ted
You leave all that out. Let the mind of the viewer put that in. Clyde Aspevig says you won't see a single grass strand in my paintings.
Look at paintings from some of these artists
Clyde Aspevig
Kathryn Stats
Scott Christensen
Matt Smith
Davod Curtis
Dan Gerhartz
Frank Serrano
Richard Boyer
Skip Whitcomb
Tom Browning
Jim Wilcox
to mention a few