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kodik9
03-10-2011, 05:26 PM
I'd like to think that after seeing everyone's amazing SBs and learning... my fur texture has improved in the past months. As much as I try I can not find a way to do eyes. The tutorials aren't catching on...and Lesley even sent me a great email on how she masters her eyes...I can't seem to get it. :(

I started this SB because it has big eyes to work with. I've fiddled around, scratched and rescratched...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/161021-catwip1.jpg
Any suggestions on how to fix it? I feel like the eyes don't have that glossy texture. Here is a crop of the actual eyes I'm working from:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/161021-s.jpg
And besides the eyes...any C&C is loved :)

MuttHut
03-10-2011, 11:50 PM
No expert on eyes here, but what I see is that the pupils are looking to our left a bit too much.......maybe try moving them toward the cats nose a wee bit. and rounding the iris out a bit on the right eye, with a bit of ink and bringing the lower right eye lid in a touch.

Wendy

lorna12
03-11-2011, 01:06 AM
You have to remember that eyes are not flat and you should follow the contour of them. Look at the ref at the highlight...they are curved and then look at yours which are very straight. Wendy was right about the pupils, too. In this instance you are looking at the eye from the side so the iris should not be equal distance around the pupil...to make it more oval the lines radiating out from center need to be shorter on the nose side of the eye nearest us...the other eye should be slightly shorter on the outside. Also, compare closely the eye furthest from us to the ref.

One thing to make them look glassy-er is to make the eye slightly darker than the highlight.

The fur is looking just lovely...very soft and touchable!

PatrickHedges
03-11-2011, 02:28 AM
I think your fur is gorgeous.

As to the eyes, I used to do the stipple method which is pretty easy to control. Might be worth a try. You could re-ink (gently) and give it a go. Bounce the knife up and down on a slight angle and each bounce flicks a bit of ink off.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Mar-2011/60252-Cheetah_eyes_2008.jpg

artofnature
03-11-2011, 07:33 AM
Jessica, your fur is beautiful. Just listen to what the others above have said. Once you get the pupils in the right place, then it will be easier to work with. They need to be positioned carefully and made much slimmer. Don't make the edges of them too jagged. They should be fairly smooth. Try not to scratch the highlights out to heavily. They can be quite transparent in parts.

A bit more scratching in the eye to remove a little more of the black in the iris might help. But you are going in the right direction. Just take your time and look at your reference all the time. I might do about 6 layers with my eyes till I get them the way I want them.

Everyone has different ways of doing eyes as patrick has said. Maybe try his method on your next one. Or you can re-ink what you have done and stipple them as he suggested.

It's all a learning curve and the more you do the better you will get at it. Keep going with this one. I am liking it so much.

Rodman
03-11-2011, 07:52 AM
Jessica..the fur is ROCK'N!!!... the pupils are a bit off but that's a easy fix...

Here's how I think of eyes.....or annything wet... I draw what I see thru the water/tears/ 7-up....whatever. THEN do the SURFACE of the liquid itself.

This piece ISN'T IN TROUBLE...its the same kind of corrections, that all of us do.

Harry Seymour
03-11-2011, 09:01 AM
Great advice here and I'm learning about eyes. Based on what's said you should turn this into a strong piece.

Diana Lee
03-12-2011, 11:25 AM
This piece ISN'T IN TROUBLE...its the same kind of corrections, that all of us do.Ain't it the truth!!! I once had to raise an eye in a portrait so much I was forced to ink it out and do the eye over again! NOT fun but sometimes necessary. At least you are not at a point where you might have to do that!

Diana

kodik9
03-12-2011, 07:02 PM
Big thank you to everyone for their eye tips! :heart: I did a lot of work on it today. I think I like Patrick's suggestion of the stipple technique since I seem to fail at other techniques. I've scratched the hell out of those poor eyes...I think I've reinked them 3-4 times. And I don't want to give up on the board...so hopefully my new eyes won't need too many more revisions :o
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/161021-cat2.jpg
I forget who..but someone had posted the link to Micro Mark's small fiber glass brush. I just received it today and love it! Great for that long/soft-ish fur. C&C encourage! ;)

MuttHut
03-12-2011, 09:10 PM
That the way to do it........it's alla learning curve, and you learn quick.

Wendy

pamelalbd
03-12-2011, 11:36 PM
Big thank you to everyone for their eye tips! :heart: I did a lot of work on it today. I think I like Patrick's suggestion of the stipple technique since I seem to fail at other techniques. I've scratched the hell out of those poor eyes...I think I've reinked them 3-4 times. And I don't want to give up on the board...so hopefully my new eyes won't need too many more revisions :o
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/161021-cat2.jpg
I forget who..but someone had posted the link to Micro Mark's small fiber glass brush. I just received it today and love it! Great for that long/soft-ish fur. C&C encourage! ;)

I think the eyes look good now! Good job! there is a spot that is jumping out at me and that is the upper right lip.It seems to be making the line of the bottom lip/jaw and odd shape. I have a terrible time using my words :rolleyes: so I did a gimp demo to explain. I hope you don't mind.
So I changed the line of the lip, also I added a bit of tonal work to knock it back some and allow the left side to be closer to the viewer and also took a bit of the size back a bit. What do you think?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/104479-161021-cat3.jpg

PaintDog
03-13-2011, 01:27 AM
I like that suggestion Pamela - your revision works well. That lip was standing out to me too. It was contrasting a lot with the other parts of the face.

candy e
03-13-2011, 04:02 AM
great job on the eyes now , the fur wow , my work on boards look so kiddish compaired ... keep it up ;)

kodik9
03-15-2011, 02:40 PM
Wendy- I'm a visual learner so seeing all of the great eye examples was a big help.
Candy- Aw, thank you! :o
Pamela- Thank you for the great gimp demo ;) I knocked back the right upper lip and tried to reshape it how you showed.
I took everyones advice and reworked the upper lip. I added some hints of color to the eyes and the nose. I feel I could call it complete if the lip doesn't look to messed up :lol: C&C please and thank you :grouphug:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Mar-2011/161021-c3.jpg