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Johannes Instructor
03-05-2011, 06:32 PM
Use this thread to upload your value mass map sketches from these photographs attached. Only select one out of the three. I only want maximum three masses but you can end up with fewer than three if the case applies. You also need to crop off what is not necessary in these photos if that applies. Also wherever it applies redesign areas into more pleasing abstract shapes and melodic lines. We will revise these in class tomorrow. Good luck!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/135220-IMG_4846.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/135220-IMG_4894.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/135220-IMG_5451.jpg

robertsloan2
03-05-2011, 08:04 PM
I was using the big markers so please take the black mass to mean "Mid-Dark." There's no way I'd do it that dark, it would actually be just about as far from the middle as the mid-light one. Limitation of the markers set.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/70184-3-5-2011-Class-6-Session-1-Homework-Value-Map.jpg

Third reference, red cliffs in the desert, rearranged to form more abstract shapes. I added an entire mountain on the right to give it another plane and break the implied triangle of the sky shape. Also changed the shape of the foreground mass to give more room to the middle value middle ground cliffs and not repeat their angle.

It looks simple but it's not, this is my third try.

Lin Frye
03-05-2011, 08:47 PM
I couldn't agree more ... I'm working on my 4th attempt! sigh ....!!!

Wonderful webinar!!! THANK YOU so much!! and THANK YOU Robert for your notes -- I'm still catching up from the first several weeks, and your notes have been invaluable!

Lin

onlinewoman
03-05-2011, 08:59 PM
Hope this works, I have had some trouble with image uploads today. Johannes this was a marvelous exercise thanks for all that you do!


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/192942-value-map-2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/192942-value-map-1.jpg

karan55
03-05-2011, 09:07 PM
I have never done a thumbnail sketch before; it really forced me to do a lot of thinking. I really struggled with wanting too much detail. I really needed more time because I already want to make it better. Thanks for the kick in the butt to actually apply your teachings and the tools to actually get this far!!!!!!

Yabut
03-05-2011, 09:21 PM
Here's how I redesigned the photo, and then the value map.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/52194-redesigned.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/52194-value_map.jpg

Hmmmm.....I wish I had more time.....

Yabut

tvandeb
03-05-2011, 09:22 PM
I'm not sure I did this right, but here's my attempt... I cropped the image too, felt like there was too much foreground and too much sky. Thanks for a great class, still may take me a couple more times figuring this out; alot of information to absorb.:o http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/71359-scan0001.jpg

sherrysherman
03-05-2011, 09:30 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/616112-thumbnail_pic_2-2.jpg

A great exercise. I tried a couple; plan to do more.

hungry4art
03-05-2011, 09:37 PM
Here is my quick photoshop thumbnail. with cropped, melodic line and better composition (I hope)http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/120152-value-massing-ontop-of-phot.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/120152-value-massing-greyed-in.gif
Entry and exit lines not at same level. check. Melodic lines and no straight swooshes, check. Trees overlap boring distant hills, check. Melodic stream bed, lower value of water to not stack with sky, check. Make sure bushes are not bulbous, check. Things I'm not sure of: are the trees too even a band width and too horizonal across the canvas? and I'm unsure if that soup bowl in the mid mt range is a no no or if it is compensated by the trees overlapping onto it and other interesting lines going on.???
many many thanks for this critical class. Can't tell you how many teachers I've tried to learn from who refuse to share this knowledge, or just don't know it. Johannes, I too am mad as a wet hen over the lost years I've spent trying to hone my skill by myself...or at the hands of an unskilled instructor. Anita

Pinklady219
03-05-2011, 09:55 PM
Wow, what fun. I tried this desert scene first. (I'm going to do more for fun) Thank you for the wonderful lessons.

gardencorner
03-05-2011, 10:02 PM
red rock cliffs photo also - cropped sky dramatically & reshaped mid dark value into a more abstract shape & reduced it. great class today -- you make it look so easy with that mouse...did this drawing 7 or 8 times. plan to do the others also. will be tuned in tomorrow. this is fascinating stuff -- as you say -- this is HUGE! thank you so much for sharing your golden nuggets! shea

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/178974-addtl_drawing_exercise_001_resized.jpg

jmcedeno
03-05-2011, 10:05 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/159973-03-05-2011-18-49-27-921.jpg
I moved the big rock to the right a bit.

mlgk
03-05-2011, 10:08 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/161785-WC-value.jpgI used photo #1 And did it two different ways

Lin Frye
03-05-2011, 10:18 PM
Can't seem to upload -- will try tomorrow am ....

Lin

Pinklady219
03-05-2011, 10:26 PM
I am trying a second one for practice. This is the first mountain scene. It looked more complicated so I tried. thank you:wave:

Silverlark
03-05-2011, 10:26 PM
All three are from the first photo.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/10034-homework1.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/10034-homework2.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/10034-homework3.jpg

Thanks Johannes, this was a whole lot of fun AND it's something I had a vague understanding of that you've made very clear!
Theresa

shbezaire
03-05-2011, 10:36 PM
Thanks for another great lesson - I will re-do my beach scene I uploaded Friday this week. In the meantime, here's my sketch of the snowy mountains:
Susi
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/308661-CCF03052011_00000.jpg
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Johannes Instructor
03-05-2011, 10:38 PM
I was using the big markers so please take the black mass to mean "Mid-Dark." There's no way I'd do it that dark, it would actually be just about as far from the middle as the mid-light one. Limitation of the markers set.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/70184-3-5-2011-Class-6-Session-1-Homework-Value-Map.jpg

Third reference, red cliffs in the desert, rearranged to form more abstract shapes. I added an entire mountain on the right to give it another plane and break the implied triangle of the sky shape. Also changed the shape of the foreground mass to give more room to the middle value middle ground cliffs and not repeat their angle.

It looks simple but it's not, this is my third try.

Robert I beg you. Please change that symmetrical shape in the foreground. The two sides are visually equal.

oCDs01-711
03-05-2011, 10:55 PM
Value Mass Thumbnail
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/283401-Value_Mass_Thumbnail1.JPG

Silverlark
03-05-2011, 11:06 PM
Wow, folks are busy tonight. Good job, y'all!
One more, for good measure. Here's the same photo, first I liquified it a little and changed the mountains' proportions. Then I mapped it.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/10034-homework4A.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/10034-homework4B.jpg

robertsloan2
03-05-2011, 11:26 PM
Robert I beg you. Please change that symmetrical shape in the foreground. The two sides are visually equal.

Will do, I see it now that you mentioned it. I put in an indentation but it's not enough. I'll see what I can do to change it. Maybe a pile of rocks would be better than a boulder.

Johannes Instructor
03-05-2011, 11:28 PM
Wow, folks are busy tonight. Good job, y'all!
One more, for good measure. Here's the same photo, first I liquified it a little and changed the mountains' proportions. Then I mapped it.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/10034-homework4A.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/10034-homework4B.jpg

Please make the mid dark to a value 7 and the mid value into a 5. Your "mid dark" is a mid value.

crem
03-06-2011, 12:10 AM
I tried to upload images, but I am a newbie and can't seem to do it right, or perhaps they are coming through where others can see them, just not me?

crem
03-06-2011, 12:18 AM
Second try.

crem
03-06-2011, 12:20 AM
3rd time is a charm? Arghh! Maybe better luck in the morning.

Silverlark
03-06-2011, 12:26 AM
Please make the mid dark to a value 7 and the mid value into a 5. Your "mid dark" is a mid value.

OK thanks, hope this is more like it.:)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/10034-homework4c.jpg

Tresgatos
03-06-2011, 12:33 AM
I used the following photo for my value map - has been cropped from original

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/113757-Photo_for_Value_Mapping_FOR_JOHANNES_CLASS_-_3-6-11.jpg



I created the following value map using the above photo as a reference - I wanted to focus on the mountain with the snow

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/113757-3-5-11_Value_Map_Homework.jpg

tuscanni
03-06-2011, 12:36 AM
I am not sure if I did this correctly, but here goes. I made 3 masses, cropped part of the photo that I didnt like, made sure that the mid darks were connected. I left some of the trees out because I didnt want them all lined up in a row. I might have to eliminate another tree. My scanner isnt working, so I had to do this on my pc.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2011/187535-wetcanvas_webinar_homework_week_9.jpg

firesignart
03-06-2011, 01:15 AM
wow that is tough to do! This is the first image
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/97017-valuestudy1-NCook.jpg

MarkJBrader
03-06-2011, 01:26 AM
Here is my attempt at the desert scene

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/129440-desert.jpg

Mark

Obion
03-06-2011, 01:55 AM
:wave: Think I got it right advise please

JammieGrammie
03-06-2011, 02:01 AM
I cannot figure how to attach sketch. No size seems to satisfy Wet Canvas Live's requirements. I do not have Photoshop but did reduce size in IPhoto and it should have been accepted, but???:confused:

susanc
03-06-2011, 02:03 AM
Have you checked out this uploading FAQs page?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3917295

Sometimes the uploader works off and on, or your file might be over the limit in file size.

If you want to try to attach the photo instead of using the uploader,
1. click on the little paperclip above,
2. browse for the photo you want
3. push the "upload button" to upload it.
4. Next, you have to return to your "Edit Post" box and click on the arrow to the right of the paperclip.
5. select the name of the file you want to attach. Click on it.

It's a bit more effort, but it sometimes works when the uploader doesn't.

Rosemarie
03-06-2011, 02:29 AM
I cannot figure how to attach sketch. No size seems to satisfy Wet Canvas Live's requirements. I do not have Photoshop but did reduce size in IPhoto and it should have been accepted, but???:confused:

Get the free ResizeIt for Mac. It is a small application where you can see the images pixel measures and change them. It is handier than iPhoto. You need to get the size less than 800 by 800 pixels.

Susan Peltonen
03-06-2011, 03:12 AM
After cropping the photograph, I re-adjusted some of the lines in an attempt to give it a better flow.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/153022-Value-Masses.jpg

Rosemarie
03-06-2011, 03:21 AM
I think we are supposed to fill in the masses, not write it with letters. Or am I wrong?

poolekv
03-06-2011, 03:36 AM
I hope these make sense to you I have done various crops of the scene, making the water smaller and smaller until I removed it altogether second down on the right.

Dharma_bum
03-06-2011, 04:53 AM
Here is mine, black = mid dark. I had to stretch the trees to get a dominant mid dark shape, and lighten the distant hills for contrast.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/41430-135220-IMG_4894-1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/41430-P1030558.jpg

Dan

wetbob
03-06-2011, 05:43 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/100299-joh1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/100299-joh3.JPG
-My water looks like an implied arrow? That needs a change isn t it?
-Removed hill, it met the canvas half way, at about same hight tree line on the other side
-I changed the water because it looked like an implied pizza slice to me.
-8=for little darks spots in front of the trees to make layers/3d.

Lin Frye
03-06-2011, 06:40 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/82363-Value_Sketch_of_Mtns_and_Stream_sm.jpg

I used the second photograph with mountains and a stream and that long block of trees. (So many of my watercolors contain just such a block, so I was anxious to try to CHANGE that!!) ...

I placed the tree 'block' in the darkest value and cut them off at mid-line, but wanted to keep the emphasis dark against the lighter mid-tone. I wasn't certain if I was to abstract each TREE or simply the tree GROUPING -? Since we were working in masses, I kept the trees in a mass - so while it may read as a 'block' and probably needs more shape changing, my intent is to NOT paint them as such -- I merely wanted to keep the values in a single mass ...

I plan to try more of these as time permits .. it was much more challenging and required a lot of erasing!! LOL

Thanks again for such a wonderful lesson!

Lin

JFountain
03-06-2011, 07:16 AM
I chose the second image I changed a few things because I didn't like the picture much. So I think I accomplished a better lead in and I took the tree on the left and made it a dead tree. Stole the idea from johanneses watercolor demonstration.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/775222-Homework_6.jpg

Ruthie57
03-06-2011, 07:37 AM
I did 5 thumbnails altogether then went back to the first one, made some adjustments, and chose that one.

Here's the crop I used

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/189061-135220-IMG_4894.jpg

And here's the thumbnail

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/189061-thumb.jpg

Sorry for the scan quality. It's taken me longer to get it on here than it did to do it!

Rosemarie
03-06-2011, 07:38 AM
Here are my first attempts on the first photo. Eventually I'll try the others too.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/2623-Thumbnail_landscape001.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/2623-Thumbnail_landscape002.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/2623-Thumbnail_landscape003.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-06-2011, 08:21 AM
I don't need you to map out all the individual shapes I only need 3 large shapes. Do not outline these in the photos. Please draw te shapes and make it very obvious which is light, midlight and mid dark. A good example is what Robert did post #2 and sherry post #8. Use only a gray scale.

Colorix
03-06-2011, 08:22 AM
I cannot figure how to attach sketch. No size seems to satisfy Wet Canvas Live's requirements. I do not have Photoshop but did reduce size in IPhoto and it should have been accepted, but???:confused:

Try again, as you now have the two posts required before being able to upload images.

Johannes Instructor
03-06-2011, 08:23 AM
I hope these make sense to you I have done various crops of the scene, making the water smaller and smaller until I removed it altogether second down on the right.
Make the value contrasts more clear.

Stephanie_Draws
03-06-2011, 08:55 AM
Photo 2, cropped: I sketched, so the masses are not uniformly coloured which is why I put another up with descriptions.

I don't have one single mid dark mass, but two that are nearly connected which I hope is OK: I could integrate both into one easily.

And I have the lone mid dark tree in the foreground for which I solely blame you, Johannes! I felt compelled to break up the triangle, thanks to your teachings, so I couldn't resist putting it in. ;)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/765572-johannes_mass_planning_2.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/765572-johannes_mass_planning_1.JPG

poolekv
03-06-2011, 09:11 AM
I have redone mine to show the different values more clear.

thanks Kev

JammieGrammie
03-06-2011, 09:16 AM
679646

Pinklady219
03-06-2011, 09:32 AM
Okay, hoping this is done right. The first is the first one you posted and the second is the desert scene. I sometimes get carried away with my details. Sorry. thank you so much!

crem
03-06-2011, 09:33 AM
Still no success sharing my thumbnail. This time I tried "attachments". OK, so this is my FOURTH post recently. Why won't Wetcanvas let me share my picture now? I've reviewed the tutorials. I am on a Mac.

hayday77
03-06-2011, 09:35 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/136427-dale_value_sketch_lesson.jpg

SalzburgBJ
03-06-2011, 09:43 AM
Here are my efforts.
Beth

CatinVT
03-06-2011, 09:55 AM
Not sure I came close to "getting it." Tried not to stack. I'll definitely continue to work on this.
Cathy

Seems I'm having an issue uploading the image :confused:

SUNQMKS
03-06-2011, 10:11 AM
This is my exercise.
Jimmy Sun:clap:

oils4me
03-06-2011, 10:11 AM
Seems I'm having an issue uploading the image :confused:


Me too...:( for quite some time now...will try again later.

CatinVT
03-06-2011, 10:15 AM
Me too...:( for quite some time now...will try again later.

Thanks. I'll give it rest for now and try later too:crossfingers:

tedzart
03-06-2011, 10:15 AM
I selected image #2. I have cropped down to focus on the stream and trees, with the mountain as the background. I liked the violets that I saw in the photograph. They will make a great background for the scene.
I have kept midvalues at 65 to 70% of the composition. The stream is a natural leadin with pleasing melodic lines. The mid darks are at my focal point. In looking at the photo, the mid darks appeared too symmetrical, so I will correct that in a second image.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/180589-DSCF9277800.jpg

Moyer
03-06-2011, 10:24 AM
choose #1 photo


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/187408-1234.jpg (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/#)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/187408-1234.jpg (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/#)

tedzart
03-06-2011, 10:32 AM
In attempting to correct the symmetry, I may have made them to jagged. I am hoping that "With pain, will come gain". My left brain does not want to be upstaged.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/180589-DSCF9278800.jpg

Silverlark
03-06-2011, 10:33 AM
I don't need you to map out all the individual shapes I only need 3 large shapes. Do not outline these in the photos. Please draw te shapes and make it very obvious which is light, midlight and mid dark. A good example is what Robert did post #2 and sherry post #8. Use only a gray scale.

Thanks for clarification and citing great examples. Redone, as per above.
Theresa Bayer
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/10034-homework4A.jpg

tedzart
03-06-2011, 10:37 AM
Thanks. I'll give it rest for now and try later too:crossfingers:

Have you resized your images to 800?

singsong
03-06-2011, 10:44 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/759462-valuestudy.gif

I drew this with my pencil, then the values weren't showing very well, we're having such a grey day, I couldn't get a good photo of it. So I went into photoshop and layered values over the shapes.

Blah
03-06-2011, 10:48 AM
Here is my value mapping of the third reference picture. I have cropped out the bottom and the right side of the photograph, and I have also slightly altered the edges of the masses on the left side of the picture.

elisamaria
03-06-2011, 10:55 AM
I hope the values in my pencil thumbnail sketches are clear enough. I cropped the original and designed it in 5 different ways.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/735472-135220-IMG_4894.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/735472-P1030903.JPG

Elisabeth

oils4me
03-06-2011, 11:04 AM
I don't know about the rest of you but this was/is hard...I'm going from doing people to doing landscapes...big change!! And I'm so GRATEFUL to be taught by you Johannes and Kenneth, from the very beginning, talk about good fortune.

I love these challenging exercises and btw those are all hard pictures :evil: LOL....I did the mountain range with water and evergreens in the foreground. I didn't work into the shapes as much as I concentrated on masses and values. I did work on melodic lines and asymmetry. I believe you said that our largest mass should be a mid value...and I tried to achieve that...not very exciting lines I know...I know, I know I need work...:)

CatinVT
03-06-2011, 11:11 AM
Still can't use the uploader, but perhaps this will work. :crossfingers: The image has been sized down below 800x800.
It worked using the IMG tags! Yahoo :clap:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/147827-Value_Map_for_03-06-11_class.jpg

singsong
03-06-2011, 11:12 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/759462-IMG_1691.gif My camera is lying again, the mid darks are darker than I drew them. This is the red rocks.

tukai
03-06-2011, 11:20 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/913782-sketch1.jpg
Please excuse me , I am not good at sketching but wanted to try . I want to know if I understood what you are teaching with such patience. Thank you so much.

Judibelle
03-06-2011, 11:24 AM
this is a crop and value sketch of the first photo..
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/103700-scan0002.jpg_thumbnail_HW_value_sketch.jpg

tuscanni
03-06-2011, 11:29 AM
I got rid of my blue outline, hope this is better. For the fun of it I added a fence as a lead in, just to be creative, but it doesnt have to stay there. I got rid of my soupbowl shape on the mountain.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/187535-wetcanvas_webinar_homework_week_9.jpg

LynnM
03-06-2011, 12:16 PM
I chose the second reference, cropped and photoshopped

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/97813-Homework-reference-edit.jpg

Masses

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/97813-Homework-masses.jpg

I can see now it's posted that I cropped the sky too close to the top of the mountain......so many things to think about doing this!

Super class yesterday, Johannes! Thanks.

vapsman88
03-06-2011, 12:35 PM
Here is my version of the Mass Planning Exercise:

I used Image No. 3 and did 2 different crops.

~John

sherrysherman
03-06-2011, 12:38 PM
Oh geez, I DREAMED about this exercise last night!! I posted yesterday afternoon, then last night in my dream I started revising my value masses.... "I think I'll move this area of tree shapes back in space and lighten them to merge with the Mids, then I'll revise the stream's direction here, then I need to ..." etc. Plus I "worked" on the other photo I did (which I didn't post because Johannes said just one).

This morning I was working on the changes I dreamed. I won't post them, but I'm telling you - this stuff takes over your life!! :eek:

B4painter
03-06-2011, 12:58 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/68215-Thumbnails.JPG Here's Mine I made changes of layouts right on the cropped pictures

mbellows
03-06-2011, 01:10 PM
Thanks so much for the fine education! It has already made a big difference in the way I approach my paintings! Like you say, wish I'd known this twenty years ago (even 30!)

mbellows
03-06-2011, 01:11 PM
Thanks for the links to the site, too. The site is not entirely intuitive. Took a while to figure out how to upload a file!

mbellows
03-06-2011, 01:13 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/913412-Class_11_Assignment.JPG

pastelpainter62
03-06-2011, 01:28 PM
Be gentle, Jo. This is my first ever thumbnail, first ever abstract shapes for trees. I think I should have left out one tree, just made 3 instead. The shrub isn't very abstract... back to the drawing board :) Thanks so much, BBhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/198015-Homework2_3-5-11_001.jpg

mozapony
03-06-2011, 01:29 PM
Value map and other adjustments
- crop, shortened the height of the backgrnd mt. which brought the glacier flow further down into the valley
- in backgnd removed some of the meadow lines on right side and changed the meadow mountain straight line on right to simplify things there
- redesigned the foregrnd land mass to water, allowing for a lead in
- moved the trees closer to the lone tree to bet it away from centre and to get the evergreen trees away from the border edge
- brought the bushes forward to create a depth in foregrnd
- avoid the soup bowl in front by creating irregular shoreline with clumps of grasses
- I'd like to keep the little red roofed bldg in the backgrnd will harmonize the color with the dead evergreen in foregrnd, and elsewhere

Squinting and Greyscale for Values:
original
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/133246-thumb_full_scene_orig.jpg

redesigned
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/133246-135220-IMG_4846_2_gr.jpg

thumbnail sketches 1 and 2
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/133246-thumbnail_sketches.jpg

- Snow on mt. ? the white puzzles me due to the stacking effect with its reflection, I did notice there was the same Light value in the reflection and would not be as white as the snow? I pondered keeping the snow as another value. eeps. ?

I understand more time spent on the sketches is a good preparation, I felt that depth of knowing as I became more familiar with this scene. A fine exercise for the importance. Thanks
.
rgds
Sandee

Anoella
03-06-2011, 01:35 PM
My cropped photo and value map. The sky is mid light and everything else is mid.I changed the lines to be more melodic but they probably need a little more work.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/102384-value_photo.crop.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/102384-value_sketch0001.jpg

pixieartist
03-06-2011, 01:37 PM
Hi Johannes, Finally found this homework thread. Now, how do I put my homework here??? Not sure how to get into the paint area, then put that info here.Help, please!!!

Adriana Meiss
03-06-2011, 01:38 PM
Johannes,
Yesterday's class was a great one!This exercise of planning your value masses before painting is somewhat foreign to me. I'm familiar with notans using 3 main values, but I have always seen that as a way of copying what you see in nature into a sketch. With what you taught us yesterday I feel I have all the right to manipulate colors anyway I want so that the end result has more cohesion.
This is not a step that I'm eager to do, but I see how important it is. I have a painting that is giving me some trouble and it has a lot to do with this.
Here is my 2nd attempt:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/41853-MeissValueMap3.jpg
Thank you!

pjbenson
03-06-2011, 01:50 PM
Here's my homework for 3-6-11.....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/75398-PAM_BENSON_Homework_3-6.jpg

pjbenson
03-06-2011, 01:57 PM
Hi Johannes, Finally found this homework thread. Now, how do I put my homework here??? Not sure how to get into the paint area, then put that info here.Help, please!!!

My son is here, that's how I did it!!!

Just make a new post and hit the insert image button (underneath the arrow going to the left)...then open your file and upload it. Good Luck!

NorthCarolinaStudent
03-06-2011, 01:58 PM
Value map
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/774972-tonehw.jpg

pat-trew
03-06-2011, 02:02 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/105243-135220-IMG_54511.jpg

Obion
03-06-2011, 02:04 PM
:)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/42526-Art__06_March_2011_home_work.jpg

Cropped photo http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/42526-Art_home_work___Values.jpg

Colorix
03-06-2011, 02:05 PM
Glad I could do these inbetween nursing. Which is why they are made with PSE.

6 Varieties of same photo -- I could make many more, for example one with dark sky.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/117343-Masses.jpg

pat-trew
03-06-2011, 02:07 PM
the values are off a bit, tried to improve it in an hour and a half. need loooots of practice. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/105243-try_1.JPG

northbank
03-06-2011, 02:07 PM
Didn't know If I should crop these or you wanted all the same, so i just did the value plan.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/846392-Puzzle-IMG_4894.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/846392-puzzle-IMG_5451.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/846392-puzzle2-IMG_4894.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/846392-puzzle-IMG_4846.jpg

Lynn 592
03-06-2011, 02:15 PM
I added a tree mass from one of the other pictures.

firesignart
03-06-2011, 02:25 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/97017-valuestudygrayNCook.jpg

I see that the dark is a bit too dark, trying for mid dark.

AnitaBee
03-06-2011, 02:32 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/739652-value_maps.jpg

pixieartist
03-06-2011, 02:40 PM
Here is my homework for Sat Mar 5 Fun to do now that I figured this out with help! Thanks for class.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/883082-Sat_Mar_5-11.JPG

LLeone
03-06-2011, 02:44 PM
I've been doing the exercises, but my computer is not connecting with my scanner right now, so I haven't been able to upload my drawings. I just want to say thank-you in so many ways! You and Kenneth have been so wonderful and giving. I've taught (high school) for many years - am only sorry that I won't be teaching any longer (health issues) so can't pass along the wonderful gems you've brought to us all. I was never able to break my students out of drawing realistically unless I used specific 'lessons' that forced them to think in a different manner. They simply 'LOVED' being able to draw realistically and wanted to do that continually. Several students have continued on and some have done very well professionally, so presumably they've come to further insight on their own.

I paint and draw some landscapes, but naturally gravitate to portraits. I have been very frustrated with my style, but KNOW that I will now be able to break loose!! This has been such a joy. Thank-you from my heart.

Dharma_bum
03-06-2011, 02:50 PM
Upon waking up I wasn't that wild about my choices last night, so here is my revision. Black = mid dark, pay no attention to slight variations in value due to changes made in photoshop.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/41430-135220-IMG_4894.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/41430-P1030560.jpg

Dan

winecountry
03-06-2011, 02:51 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/103030-value_ex.4197.jpg

Robert Savary
03-06-2011, 02:59 PM
How can I find my uploaded work?

buddingnewartist
03-06-2011, 03:00 PM
Hi here is my homework, I know you wanted us to draw them out but I figured that this is better than not doing it :)

LLeone
03-06-2011, 03:01 PM
Dawson City, Yukon has an art school "KIAC" that is affiliated with Yukon College and offers transfer to ACOA, Emily Carr and others across the country. Have you visited the Yukon? Would you be interested? I could contact them and see if they might create an opportunity for you to work with them. I really think you'd love the Dempster Highway, not to mention many other Yukon treasures. I was looking at one of your photos yesterday and I honestly thought you'd been to Keno City Yukon (30 minutes from me) - if buildings and sites can have doppelgangers, that was it!

horsthh
03-06-2011, 03:03 PM
My version thumbnails

crem
03-06-2011, 03:15 PM
One Last Desperate Try To Upload

charleyz
03-06-2011, 03:21 PM
679678

marionh
03-06-2011, 03:22 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/42113-scan0001_800x600_copy.jpg

Pic 2 - sorry my scan doesn't seem to have come out very well.

robertsloan2
03-06-2011, 06:16 PM
Johannes, thank you for sorting out the fix on my thumbnail! This is getting me excited about painting the scene. The more I look at this the more I see it can work.

I might try some value variations later in the week on the same design, shifting around what's in sun or shadow, maybe make it a stormy day with light breaking on the foreground or the mountain. Though if I did it stormy I'd be tempted to go back to the photo and flatten the other two masses to make it more of a skyscape.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/70184-3-6-2011-Class-Homework-Reworked-Thumbnail.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-06-2011, 06:32 PM
Johannes, thank you for sorting out the fix on my thumbnail! This is getting me excited about painting the scene. The more I look at this the more I see it can work.

I might try some value variations later in the week on the same design, shifting around what's in sun or shadow, maybe make it a stormy day with light breaking on the foreground or the mountain. Though if I did it stormy I'd be tempted to go back to the photo and flatten the other two masses to make it more of a skyscape.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/70184-3-6-2011-Class-Homework-Reworked-Thumbnail.jpg

AHHHH!! melody!!!

Johannes Instructor
03-06-2011, 06:38 PM
My version thumbnails
Water and sky are stacking. Put the water into a mid value

Johannes Instructor
03-06-2011, 06:39 PM
Hi here is my homework, I know you wanted us to draw them out but I figured that this is better than not doing it :)
The tumbnail is correct.

Johannes Instructor
03-06-2011, 06:41 PM
I chose the second reference, cropped and photoshopped

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/97813-Homework-reference-edit.jpg

Masses

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/97813-Homework-masses.jpg

I can see now it's posted that I cropped the sky too close to the top of the mountain......so many things to think about doing this!

Super class yesterday, Johannes! Thanks.
Amen on thumbnail values. Mountain kissing the edge though.

Johannes Instructor
03-06-2011, 06:42 PM
Thanks for clarification and citing great examples. Redone, as per above.
Theresa Bayer
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/10034-homework4A.jpg

Good job on the value mapping!

northbank
03-06-2011, 07:22 PM
JV was talking about making a place to test your values on, so I made up a greyscale image which you can laminate and then test your value mixes on top of. I think it will help me, and thought someone else may find it useful as well so i attach the jpeg.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/846392-Value_Scale.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-06-2011, 07:58 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/135220-100_0444.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/135220-Mvc-397f.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/135220-MVC-496F.jpg



Here are three more pictures for you to select from to do the mass planning thumbnail sketches.

SalzburgBJ
03-06-2011, 08:19 PM
JV was talking about making a place to test your values on, so I made up a greyscale image which you can laminate and then test your value mixes on top of. I think it will help me, and thought someone else may find it useful as well so i attach the jpeg.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/846392-Value_Scale.jpg



Thank you!
This is better than the one I downloaded.
bj:clap:

LynnM
03-06-2011, 08:19 PM
I chose the first image and came up with two versions. I would plan to put in a light patch for the snow at the end in both, unifying it with sky values. I think it is important to the painting, but muted, not pure white.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/97813-Homework-March-6-mass-plan.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/97813-Homework-March-6-mass-plan-.jpg

luvs2paint1
03-06-2011, 08:41 PM
For those of you who are having trouble uploading a pic, I feel your pain. I finally figured it out last week and this is what I did.

-click on the 'Go Advanced' button below
-click on the 'Insert Image' icon. It is a little pic that has a mountain and sun.
-Click on the 'Browse' button and find your pic on your computer.
-Click 'Upload Image'
-No one has said this, but double click on the link directly under your image and then click on the image. The link under your pic should look something like http:/www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images....jpg
The window with your pic should disappear and the link should be at the bottom of your message.
Make sure it looks like http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images....jpg
If it doesn't start and end in add it yourself. Make sure you add [IMG] at the beginning and after the .jpg. You can hit the 'Preview Post' button below all the smiley faces to see if it worked. Then just continue from there. If it worked click on 'Submit Reply' if not you don't go back or anything, just keep editing.
I hope that helps. My problem was that it would add the link of the image without the before the http:// and after the .jpg The [ ] are the two keys that are next to your letter p on your keyboard.

[IMG]http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/58166-egg_shape_smaller.jpg

hungry4art
03-06-2011, 09:16 PM
new value massing assignment adobe house http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/120152-do-again-value-mapping.gif Anita

Valerieart
03-06-2011, 09:54 PM
3 values plus snow value #1

Silverlark
03-06-2011, 10:02 PM
Johannes,
If I split the middark values side to side, is it stacking?
Thanks,
Theresa Bayer
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/10034-homeworkmar6.jpg

Silverlark
03-06-2011, 10:07 PM
however, I like it better this way...:D
Theresa Bayer
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/10034-homeworkmar6a.jpg

Silverlark
03-06-2011, 10:41 PM
Thanks Northbank for the value scale...very handy!:clap:
Theresa Bayer
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/10034-homeworkmar6B.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-06-2011, 10:41 PM
however, I like it better this way...:D
Theresa Bayer
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/10034-homeworkmar6a.jpg
This would work if you want the snow to be in shadow. If you want the snow to be sunlit you create a new mass which will be white. Take into account that you are indicating the evergreens will be a mid value. You would really need to pump up the value if it.

Moart
03-06-2011, 11:14 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/187068-Class_Homework_-_Photo_grey_scale.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/187068-Class_Homework_-_Mountain_Scene.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/187068-Second_step.jpg
I included the grayscale photo, the value masses in 3 values and the second stage, additional values. Am I on the right track?:rolleyes:

Obion
03-06-2011, 11:26 PM
Hi Silverlark would you mind if I asked you how do you get your painting into value on the right. What program do you use ?
I'm at a lost at how to do that.
Barbara

Windrawings
03-07-2011, 01:30 AM
I am having difficulty with gimp...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/56858-mass_value.jpg

LLeone
03-07-2011, 01:43 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/107387-Adobe_masses.jpg

I found it difficult to create a "lead in" here
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/107387-cropped_with_masses.jpg

This one seemed more straightforward, but I don't like the line on top of the mountain. I did all three with pencil, but can't get my scanner to work. I much prefer the pencil as a tool : )

johnbray
03-07-2011, 07:05 AM
What I wanted to do with this was have the village in the mid-lights, the hillside in mid-darks and the foreground rocks in the mid-range. Admittedly this puts the majority of the picture in the darks but there's little of real interest there - just olive groves, a few polars and terraces. I think the rock-formation is more interesting. I was thinking that - if the village and the rocks are made to stand out - then it might work.

I converted it to grey-scale, did a gaussian blur on it and then posterised it to 3 shades. I found this informative as it showed me where the problem areas would be in trying to paint it. Some are fairly obvious from the colour photo - but not all. The final sketch is the value-map.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/846372-Golco-plan.jpg

So, is there any chance of this working or have I completely missed the point? I'm new to this forum and only attended the first webinar yestserday so I've got some catching up to do :)

PS: I'd just like to say that you're doing a brilliant job, Johannes

Johannes Instructor
03-07-2011, 07:36 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/187068-Class_Homework_-_Photo_grey_scale.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/187068-Class_Homework_-_Mountain_Scene.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/135220-modif.jpg
I included the grayscale photo, the value masses in 3 values and the second stage, additional values. Am I on the right track?:rolleyes:
All those dark spots in the rocks are fracturing the mid gray mass. The trees are too dark. If those trees were brought to a value 7 and the rocks along with their shadows would remain in values 4 & 5 this painting would go way up a notch. This is exactly what happens when we depend on reference photos. Notice how your eye gets too attracted to the foreground. In the edited version you fly over that area and the eye moves more a more relaxed way. We tend to copy the black spots that result from the camera's shutter not staying open long enough. The composiiton otherwise is quite good. I have attached a modified version of your painting to agree with the thumbnail. I would love that you go back to this painting and modify it according to the observations I just made and re post it. This will be a reall good learning curve for you and I am sure you will be much happier with the painting. If you want, post the color version and I will work on it.

Johannes Instructor
03-07-2011, 07:57 AM
What I wanted to do with this was have the village in the mid-lights, the hillside in mid-darks and the foreground rocks in the mid-range. Admittedly this puts the majority of the picture in the darks but there's little of real interest there - just olive groves, a few polars and terraces. I think the rock-formation is more interesting. I was thinking that - if the village and the rocks are made to stand out - then it might work.

I converted it to grey-scale, did a gaussian blur on it and then posterised it to 3 shades. I found this informative as it showed me where the problem areas would be in trying to paint it. Some are fairly obvious from the colour photo - but not all. The final sketch is the value-map.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/846372-Golco-plan.jpg

So, is there any chance of this working or have I completely missed the point? I'm new to this forum and only attended the first webinar yestserday so I've got some catching up to do :)

PS: I'd just like to say that you're doing a brilliant job, Johannes
Your thumbnail sketch is correct! Way to go.You have a dome symmmtry but that's another matter.

Johannes Instructor
03-07-2011, 08:00 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/107387-Adobe_masses.jpg

I found it difficult to create a "lead in" here
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/107387-cropped_with_masses.jpg

This one seemed more straightforward, but I don't like the line on top of the mountain. I did all three with pencil, but can't get my scanner to work. I much prefer the pencil as a tool : )
I know some books use white and black for thumbnails. White representing the lighter gray and black being the darker gray. The way I teach it though is different. I have my students actually produce the correct values so they get used to thinking in those three distinct values. Other than that you are correct.

Johannes Instructor
03-07-2011, 08:01 AM
I am having difficulty with gimp...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/56858-mass_value.jpg
I would like the actual dark gray to be a real value 7. That way you will get used to thinking in those terms. Other than that your thumbnail is correct.

Johannes Instructor
03-07-2011, 08:03 AM
I chose the first image and came up with two versions. I would plan to put in a light patch for the snow at the end in both, unifying it with sky values. I think it is important to the painting, but muted, not pure white.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/97813-Homework-March-6-mass-plan.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/97813-Homework-March-6-mass-plan-.jpg

This proves you understood the lesson. Pat on the back! If you apply this to your paintings you will be amazed with the results.

bobsavannah
03-07-2011, 09:10 AM
This is a photo of a painting I am planning. And because of the lighting, I'm having a difficult time adjusting the masses and values.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/32167-Picture_060x.jpg
This is the best I can do until I learn more.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/32167-Picture_060xx.jpg

Pinklady219
03-07-2011, 09:27 AM
Hi Johannes, I know you asked for one mapped photo, but I decided I needed to do more and mapped all three. Thank you, thank you and here goes!

Silverlark
03-07-2011, 10:21 AM
Hi Silverlark would you mind if I asked you how do you get your painting into value on the right. What program do you use ?
I'm at a lost at how to do that.
Barbara

Hi Barbara,
Are you asking how I lightened up the grays in the photo?
First I put the photo into grayscale, then I used the Levels on Photoshop 6.0 to lighten all the mid values in the photo.

After that, I selected three grays (midlight, mid, and middark) and created my value maps in Photoshop 6.0.

Hope that answers your question!
Theresa

johnbray
03-07-2011, 10:50 AM
Your thumbnail sketch is correct! Way to go.You have a dome symmmtry but that's another matter.
That's easy for you to say - you understand this stuff :lol:

Me, I need more convincing that I'm actually getting it. I've been out to get another photo with better lighting (only a hundred yards up the track, so no big thing). I then modified my areas to make the values fall into three level-bands and then increased the saturation in the mid and light-mid areas to get an idea of whether it might work. I think it's worth trying it for real.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/846372-DSC_1186-800b.jpg

crem
03-07-2011, 10:56 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/141376-thumbnail_sketch.jpg

hungariancontessa
03-07-2011, 11:25 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/145129-value_ex1.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/145129-value_map2.jpg

This was a great exercise! Hopefully I am somewhat correct.

robertsloan2
03-07-2011, 11:43 AM
This is a photo of a painting I am planning. And because of the lighting, I'm having a difficult time adjusting the masses and values.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/32167-Picture_060x.jpg
This is the best I can do until I learn more.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/32167-Picture_060xx.jpg

Bob, it looks like you could connect your darks with a narrow line at the edge of the creek joining the two chunks of vertical trees, then with one or two board lines and/or a tree protrusion coming up from the left side tree group to cross the dark roof of the barn. Also to me the shadow side of the barn looks like a mid value.

That breaks off a chunk of mid value by itself though, so maybe optically connecting them with a bit of mid value in between could work and unify both. I can see how you're finding this tricky.

With those changes you have the building as a striking focal point where it's the lightest, brightest thing in the painting, emphasizing the way viewers would glance at it first by subject.

bobsavannah
03-07-2011, 11:49 AM
Bob, it looks like you could connect your darks with a narrow line at the edge of the creek joining the two chunks of vertical trees, then with one or two board lines and/or a tree protrusion coming up from the left side tree group to cross the dark roof of the barn. Also to me the shadow side of the barn looks like a mid value.

That breaks off a chunk of mid value by itself though, so maybe optically connecting them with a bit of mid value in between could work and unify both. I can see how you're finding this tricky.

With those changes you have the building as a striking focal point where it's the lightest, brightest thing in the painting, emphasizing the way viewers would glance at it first by subject.


Thank you. That creek at the bottom would naturally be in shadow because of the hill behind it and should be a connector for the darker values. I don't know why I didn't put that in. Thanks a lot for the help and suggestions.

CatinVT
03-07-2011, 11:55 AM
Wasn't sure how many we were supposed to do. Working on the third which I'm finding to be an interesting exercise. Given that we're snowed in here in Vermont, I might attempt to put these principles into practice with some paint :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/147827-03-06-11_1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/147827-03-06-11_WCL.jpg

Judibelle
03-07-2011, 12:30 PM
Here is my value sketch...not sure I've got it yet, but keep trying...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/103700-scan0003.jpg__thumbnail_3_values.jpg

susanc
03-07-2011, 12:41 PM
I should have looked for the handout and Robert's notes from Sunday before I posted this! So, this is my understanding of Saturday's class...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/1697-value_map4.jpg

Dougwas
03-07-2011, 01:17 PM
Here is my value map. My thinking on this was that most of the painting is in the mid (4,5) range and the mid darks (6,7) are connected. I think this is finally getting through to me. Now I just have to remember this while I am painting.

Thanks, Joe.






Doug

johnbray
03-07-2011, 01:39 PM
Alternatively, this value map keeps everything of interest (to me anyway) in the mid rages:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/846372-plan-C-800-strip.jpg

I think I prefer this one

Marianne Shields
03-07-2011, 02:50 PM
This has been awonderful expierence. :clap: I am gearing up to paint a picture. Can you tell me where the pictures you wanted us to use are??? mainly for value. Also would like the chart you showed concerning value..and where most shapes fall??
Marianne:wave:

Holly B.
03-07-2011, 03:12 PM
Unfortunately since I have Corel Paint Shop Photo Pro, I don't know how to fill the masses with the appropriate value shade.
:crossfingers:

Johannes Instructor
03-07-2011, 04:00 PM
This has been awonderful expierence. :clap: I am gearing up to paint a picture. Can you tell me where the pictures you wanted us to use are??? mainly for value. Also would like the chart you showed concerning value..and where most shapes fall??
Marianne:wave:
Here
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=923782&page=10

Silverlark
03-07-2011, 04:53 PM
This would work if you want the snow to be in shadow. If you want the snow to be sunlit you create a new mass which will be white. Take into account that you are indicating the evergreens will be a mid value. You would really need to pump up the value if it.

OK thanks.
Here it is revised with snow showing a 4th white mass on the mountain. Did two versions of it.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/10034-homeworkmar7A.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/10034-homework7.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-07-2011, 05:59 PM
That's easy for you to say - you understand this stuff :lol:

Me, I need more convincing that I'm actually getting it. I've been out to get another photo with better lighting (only a hundred yards up the track, so no big thing). I then modified my areas to make the values fall into three level-bands and then increased the saturation in the mid and light-mid areas to get an idea of whether it might work. I think it's worth trying it for real.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/846372-DSC_1186-800b.jpg

Just watch out for that symmetrical mid gray mass.

Johannes Instructor
03-07-2011, 06:02 PM
Unfortunately since I have Corel Paint Shop Photo Pro, I don't know how to fill the masses with the appropriate value shade.
:crossfingers:

Don't tell me the values from the photo. Show me what values you would assign in your painting with a sketch.

Johannes Instructor
03-07-2011, 06:03 PM
Bob, it looks like you could connect your darks with a narrow line at the edge of the creek joining the two chunks of vertical trees, then with one or two board lines and/or a tree protrusion coming up from the left side tree group to cross the dark roof of the barn. Also to me the shadow side of the barn looks like a mid value.

That breaks off a chunk of mid value by itself though, so maybe optically connecting them with a bit of mid value in between could work and unify both. I can see how you're finding this tricky.

With those changes you have the building as a striking focal point where it's the lightest, brightest thing in the painting, emphasizing the way viewers would glance at it first by subject.
Because you are letting the photo dictate to you its values. Make a simple drawing based on the photo then put the photo aside and map YOUR OWN values. Remember a good policy is to make the largest mass a mid gray.

Amandine
03-07-2011, 06:40 PM
Here is my homework. I did # 1 & # 3 of the photos posted yesterday. Not sure it's a success but I can tell you I'm learning how to work with Photoshop Elements ! Seriously, very good and not easy exercise. :) Did it after removing snow most of the day because of that big snow storm we had today (27 inches, and still snowing).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/661062-lac_montagne.jpg

Don't know what's happening, the second picture refuses to download. Will try later on.

Here's the second one. (Got it, sorry, I wrote the name of the file in french, with an accent which does't work :rolleyes: )

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/661062-arbres_riviere.jpg

Amandine

Moart
03-07-2011, 07:10 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/187068-scene_3_value_masses.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/187068-scene_re-designed.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-07-2011, 08:14 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/187068-scene_3_value_masses.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/187068-scene_re-designed.jpg

It seems that most of you are understanding the concept of mapping objects according to values. It took me three classes but from what I see the message from across.

Johannes Instructor
03-07-2011, 08:16 PM
Here is my value sketch...not sure I've got it yet, but keep trying...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/103700-scan0003.jpg__thumbnail_3_values.jpg

Can you make a better distinction between the mid gray in the dark gray?

Obion
03-07-2011, 11:01 PM
Hi Theresa thank you, have just brought Adobe Photoshop Elements 9, now lots of reading. I will try and do the same. Barbara

Silverlark
03-07-2011, 11:34 PM
Hi Theresa thank you, have just brought Adobe Photoshop Elements 9, now lots of reading. I will try and do the same. Barbara

You're welcome & have fun!

Tresgatos
03-08-2011, 12:24 AM
My value map - pencil

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/113757-3-7-11_Homework_-_Value_Map.jpg

bobsavannah
03-08-2011, 09:29 AM
Here is my second and third attempt. The color shot is what I've been trying to work on. The other two grayscale images are from suggestions from Robert, Bob, and Johannes, I believe.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/32167-Picture_060x.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/32167-Picture_060xx.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/32167-Picture_060x2x.jpg

bobsavannah
03-08-2011, 09:33 AM
Thanks, I've reposted the updated versions. I hope I'm headed in the right direction.

Johannes Instructor
03-08-2011, 09:43 AM
Here is my second and third attempt. The color shot is what I've been trying to work on. The other two grayscale images are from suggestions from Robert, Bob, and Johannes, I believe.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/32167-Picture_060x.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/32167-Picture_060xx.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/32167-Picture_060x2x.jpg
Yes this would work Robert. You can create a new white mass for the side of the building that is getting light. Remember you create a fourth mass which is white if the painting will meet this criteria

1. snow
2. water foam
3. white building
4 cumulous clouds.

Johannes Instructor
03-08-2011, 09:46 AM
My value map - pencil

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/113757-3-7-11_Homework_-_Value_Map.jpg
If you make the bush a mid gray you will have more square inches of mid value which is what we want the most we can.

luvs2paint1
03-08-2011, 10:19 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/58166-masses.jpg

This is from the Mexican building photo.

ddel
03-08-2011, 02:28 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/118398-135220-MVC-496F.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/118398-thumb_nail_edited-1.jpg

Doug

elsie50
03-08-2011, 02:39 PM
Hello Johannes, this is my homework,, I hope I did it correctly, I used carbon pencil. I used this photograph turned it and altered it a wee bit..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/142124-135220-MVC-496F_flipped_2_Small_Handheld.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/142124-img184-1_Small.jpg

I am thoroughly enjoying this course, and I sort of think I am getting it :clap:

Johannes Instructor
03-08-2011, 02:59 PM
Hello Johannes, this is my homework,, I hope I did it correctly, I used carbon pencil. I used this photograph turned it and altered it a wee bit..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/142124-135220-MVC-496F_flipped_2_Small_Handheld.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/142124-img184-1_Small.jpg

I am thoroughly enjoying this course, and I sort of think I am getting it :clap:
Make the mid dark gray an honest value 7 and the mid gray an honest value 5.

crem
03-08-2011, 03:10 PM
I've already started a painting of this and it needs help. I think this value study will be useful (should have done it first, eh?). This is a rustic sauna building and I want to focus to be on the door.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/141376-DSCF0068.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/141376-CCF08032011_00001.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-08-2011, 03:21 PM
I've already started a painting of this and it needs help. I think this value study will be useful (should have done it first, eh?). This is a rustic sauna building and I want to focus to be on the door.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/141376-DSCF0068.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/141376-CCF08032011_00001.jpg
yes this would work.

Johannes Instructor
03-08-2011, 03:26 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/118398-135220-MVC-496F.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/118398-thumb_nail_edited-1.jpg

Doug
Yes doug this will work. Well done

elsie50
03-08-2011, 03:38 PM
Thank you Johannes,, It is quite difficult finding the right value,, going dark enough without going too dark..

2nd try ;;
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/142124-img185-1_Handheld.jpg

ElaineV
03-08-2011, 04:37 PM
changed ratio

mlgk
03-08-2011, 04:49 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/161785-WC-Mountain-2_0444-1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/161785-135220-100_0444-1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/161785-WC--MOUNTAIN.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/161785-WC-Mountain--3--0444-1.jpg "
I did three studies of the same photo. Tony Couch's book "Water You Can Do It" has the basic patterns for value (which are very good) as well as elements and principles for design. I have had this book for years but it has just started clicking since watching your videos Thanks so much. By the way thus is a North Light book.

ElaineV
03-08-2011, 04:50 PM
Wondering if this works:

Tresgatos
03-08-2011, 04:52 PM
If you make the bush a mid gray you will have more square inches of mid value which is what we want the most we can.
Thank you Johannes - I see where it does make it look better - here is the re-do - pencil

Barbara

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/113757-3-8-11_Re-do_of_Value_Map.jpg


Here is the first one

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/113757-3-7-11_Homework_-_Value_Map.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-08-2011, 05:11 PM
I have redone mine to show the different values more clear.

thanks Kev
Now that's better. We need to have a real strong sense of the three grays.

Johannes Instructor
03-08-2011, 05:26 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/145129-value_ex1.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/145129-value_map2.jpg

This was a great exercise! Hopefully I am somewhat correct.
In principal yes. The idea is also to avooid equal square inches of the same mass. I'm trying to figure out which picture you are showing.

Chrisp47
03-08-2011, 06:01 PM
Thanks Johannes for the wonderful lessons.
My attempts at this lesson:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/165919-Johannespictopaint.jpg



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/165919-Johannespictopaint2.jpg



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/165919-Johannespictopaint3.jpg



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/165919-Johannespictopaint4.jpg

Artistammy
03-08-2011, 08:27 PM
This is a photo I'd like to paint:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/3341-CabinwithBrickFireplaceCabinHwy_small2-21-2011_5-05-17_PM.JPG
Here is my masses:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/3341-snowscencemasses.jpg
I'm moving the buildings to the lower right.

Sheri Hammond
03-08-2011, 09:09 PM
Johannes where have you been all my life? You have completely cleared up all my composition confusion!! I really can't blieve I some how found your classes. What a marvelous and generous teacher you are. Thank you so much Sheri I tried to send a picture of the home work but it needs to be resized I will try again

kittierue
03-08-2011, 09:29 PM
Hi Johannes,
This value mapping is so fabulous! I am totally blown away by the way it simplifies the world. Here's my first value mapping exercise. I'm excited to paint this scene.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/222668-Tetons-dp-march2011.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/222668-Mass_Planning_1.jpg

elisamaria
03-09-2011, 11:43 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/735472-135220-MVC-496F.jpg

I hope you can inerpret my value masses which are not the same as the original drawing on the screen.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/735472-P1030913.JPG

Elisabeth

N.Ramchandran
03-09-2011, 01:45 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/71956-135220-100_0444_homework.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/71956-IMG_0014.JPG

Ice has been given the 4th value of 1.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/71956-135220-Mvc-397f_homework.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/71956-IMG_0012.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/71956-135220-MVC-496F_homework.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/71956-IMG_0013.JPG

Look forward to your comments

Colorix
03-09-2011, 02:39 PM
From your photo with the farm, mapped by hand.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/117343-Farm_Notan.jpg

Start of actual painting (is really in colour):
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/117343-Farn_st1_bw_f4280.jpg

wc3f4o9r1um
03-09-2011, 04:05 PM
This is the map for the first photo. My mid grey pen was drying up. Hope you don't mind that I reserved my white for the snow caps. Sorry, but my dark mid tone wasn't dry enough when I took this picture so it came out a little to dark.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/203506-IMG_0119.JPG

mlgk
03-09-2011, 05:17 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/161785-WC_0444-1_2.jpg_4

Will this work for the mountain picture #0444 ? I forgot to change the right upper corner to mid light. Would do that.
I think the book by Arthur Wesley Dow is "Understanding Line, Notan, & Color".

bobsavannah
03-09-2011, 05:33 PM
Yes this would work Robert. You can create a new white mass for the side of the building that is getting light. Remember you create a fourth mass which is white if the painting will meet this criteria

1. snow
2. water foam
3. white building
4 cumulous clouds.

Better?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/32167-Picture_060x2xx.jpg

Moart
03-09-2011, 09:09 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/187068-Landscape_Study.jpg

I have started my painting over again to follow what you had suggested re: my values, It is in progress awaiting your instruction on color. I appreciate any help you can give
Thank you Johannes, I've learned a great deal in your class:clap:

tuscanni
03-09-2011, 09:22 PM
here is my homework for this week. Johannes, you asked for a drawing rather then doing this by computer, so I gave it a go. I had a difficult time with my materials I had to work with. I dont do much drawing, so I have only 1 charcoal pencil and my paper was very grainy. I cropped the original photo and added in a few of my own trees. I changed alot of the shapes. The dark mids arent as dark as they appear in the photo......ann
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/187535-135220-100_0444a.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/187535-IMG_5571.JPG

Johannes Instructor
03-09-2011, 09:36 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/71956-135220-100_0444_homework.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/71956-IMG_0014.JPG

Ice has been given the 4th value of 1.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/71956-135220-Mvc-397f_homework.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/71956-IMG_0012.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/71956-135220-MVC-496F_homework.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/71956-IMG_0013.JPG

Look forward to your comments
You got it.

Johannes Instructor
03-09-2011, 09:39 PM
From your photo with the farm, mapped by hand.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/117343-Farm_Notan.jpg

Start of actual painting (is really in colour):
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/117343-Farn_st1_bw_f4280.jpg

Value mapping is correct. Go for it. I am anxious to see your painting.

Johannes Instructor
03-09-2011, 09:43 PM
This is the map for the first photo. My mid grey pen was drying up. Hope you don't mind that I reserved my white for the snow caps. Sorry, but my dark mid tone wasn't dry enough when I took this picture so it came out a little to dark.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/203506-IMG_0119.JPG
I would change the repeated shapes.

Johannes Instructor
03-09-2011, 09:45 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/161785-WC_0444-1_2.jpg_4

Will this work for the mountain picture #0444 ? I forgot to change the right upper corner to mid light. Would do that.
I think the book by Arthur Wesley Dow is "Understanding Line, Notan, & Color".

I would make the whole mountain a midvalue except the snow.

Johannes Instructor
03-09-2011, 09:53 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/187068-Landscape_Study.jpg

I have started my painting over again to follow what you had suggested re: my values, It is in progress awaiting your instruction on color. I appreciate any help you can give
Thank you Johannes, I've learned a great deal in your class:clap:
Ignore some of the small rocks from the photo and merge some of them into larger ones. Diversify sizes as much as you can. Sometime3 and you need to take up to 3 rocks and combine them into one. I would darken the highlights on the rocks in the foreground because the light mid value will stack with the sky. If you leave the mountains that light in the background they will no longer be the focal area if that's what you want .From what I see in the photo I feel some of the areas in your evergreens are too dark. Budget the values 8's more. Ireally want to see this painting finished. Take into account that if your rocks are overall a yellow orange hues much of this will carry into the shadows as well. Yet you are thinking well by adding the cool blues into them. Also use grays. You are close to the stage where you got to put the photo aside and work within the painting in its context. You got enough info from the photo. I tend to get rid of the photo when I am at 75% of completion. What I like is you are overlooking the spotty darks from the photos.

Johannes Instructor
03-09-2011, 10:07 PM
Hey everyone how about we start seeing some paintings based on the photos and your thumbnail sketches. Give me some feedback.

Johannes Instructor
03-09-2011, 10:23 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2011/187068-Landscape_Study.jpg

I have started my painting over again to follow what you had suggested re: my values, It is in progress awaiting your instruction on color. I appreciate any help you can give
Thank you Johannes, I've learned a great deal in your class:clap:
Do me a favor. i want to have another look at the photo. Please email it to me: [email protected]

winecountry
03-10-2011, 02:06 AM
I used 2 of the posted photos and one of my own, so I could have a seascape
so that photo is posted here


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/103030-3_val_studies_4217.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/103030-3_val_studies_4218.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/103030-3_val_sea.jpg

Moart
03-10-2011, 02:40 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/187068-Jasper_Banff_Landscape_reference_re-sized.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/187068-Painting_gray_scale.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/187068-Landscape_small_file.jpg

I've attached my original reference photo, (I have usually been a slave to realism), I started a new piece this week implementing what you've been teaching. I'm liking my new piece much better, It isn't so static, I feel much freer now, thank you for releasing me from the bondage of realism :-) I felt I couldn't deviate from my signature style that I've been known for, for so many years, clients identify you with a certain level of detail and you become bound by it. I've been wanting to loosen up for many years and now I am taking the plunge. I am forever grateful for that.

northbank
03-10-2011, 03:29 AM
Here's a couple attempts at my homework playing with charcoal, tempura and chalk. I'm anxious to use this on my own pictures. Making the masses cohesive and appealing is going to force me into redesigning my photos.....a very good thing indeed. Free at last, free at last...........:crossfingers:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/846392-135220-100_0444.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/846392-J1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/846392-J4.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/846392-J2.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/846392-135220-MVC-496F.jpg

wetbob
03-10-2011, 03:43 AM
Hey everyone how about we start seeing some paintings based on the photos and your thumbnail sketches. Give me some feedback

Can t you open a new thread where we can post our paintings done after your photos?

wetbob
03-10-2011, 03:47 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/100299-joh1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/100299-joh21.JPG

wetbob
03-10-2011, 03:52 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/100299-johannes1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/100299-johannes5.JPG

Windrawings
03-10-2011, 05:59 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/56858-mass_value_2.jpg

Pinklady219
03-10-2011, 08:09 AM
Hi Johannes. I wanted to make sure you go to my value maps. I posted at #134. Just in case, here they are again. thank you so much.

Sheri Hammond
03-10-2011, 09:52 AM
Here is another try to send a photohttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/678462-resize_4.jpg

jmcedeno
03-10-2011, 12:32 PM
I made three versions of the same photo, not quite sure that this is correct, I might do a painting of the first one.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/159973-Value_Mass_4-03-09-2011-13-19-49-343.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/159973-Value_Mass_5-03-09-2011-13-30-20-93.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/159973-Value_Mass_6-03-09-2011-13-36-36-421.jpg

Tresgatos
03-10-2011, 04:48 PM
Johannes,

I found a photo I took several years ago of the Gunnison River in Colorado and would like to attempt to paint it.

I've done a value map of it and would appreciate your comments as to whether or not this value map works for this photo. I feel like I want to put a value 2/3 at the bottom right but when I did it looked stacked. I found this a bit confusing because I also see the darker reflections in the water and then did a second value map extending the value 6/7 down the river - I printed a copy of the first and then added the value down the river so it looks a bit different. Appreciate whatever help you give me.

Barbara

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/113757-EMAIL_-_GUNNISON_RIVER_-_COLORADO_DSC04346_-_G_-_RIVER.jpg


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/113757-Value_Map_for_painting_Gunnison_River.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/113757-Value_Map_2_for_painting_Gunnison_River.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-10-2011, 06:01 PM
Hi Johannes. I wanted to make sure you go to my value maps. I posted at #134. Just in case, here they are again. thank you so much.

I will address these in class Saturday.

Johannes Instructor
03-10-2011, 06:05 PM
I made three versions of the same photo, not quite sure that this is correct, I might do a painting of the first one.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/159973-Value_Mass_4-03-09-2011-13-19-49-343.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/159973-Value_Mass_5-03-09-2011-13-30-20-93.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/159973-Value_Mass_6-03-09-2011-13-36-36-421.jpg
I woukd make the water a mid gray and the mountain a mid gray as well.

pastelpainter62
03-10-2011, 07:17 PM
I'm so bogged down with tax papers...Here's a quickie of the adobe home.
Since the southwest is one of my favorites to paint, I'd sure like your
feedback on my second-ever thumbnail!

Sky is Mid Light, trees, shadows, door is Mid Dark, hopefully tied together enough, and the structure/foreground is Mid Values. Thanks, BBhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/198015-Homework_3-12-11_001.jpg

mbellows
03-10-2011, 09:23 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/913412-Trees_and_Stream_Assign.jpg

valh
03-10-2011, 11:13 PM
Sheeeesh! it takes longer to scan, etc. etc. than to actually do the value maps.

...........well perhaps another time! Uploader does not want to work. How annoying and time consuming.

Hopefully I'll be able to upload an actual painting by tomorrow.

Cheers
Val

carol_lee
03-11-2011, 12:25 AM
Hi,
Here are a few I made of the adobe hut.Felt that the image had a lot of challenge mainly because of the distinct lights at the bottom which I thought need a mass in its self...but was aware of the stacking problem ...
Here is the map of whole image....I let in a bit more sky.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/58142-adobe-01.jpg

cropped image

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/58142-adobe-hut-crp.jpg

2maps

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/58142-adobe-02.jpg
In this one I did choose the bottom area as my mid-light but also put in some mid-light in the sky area... #2 value

Bottom area all mid value...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/58142-adobe-hut-map-1.jpg
But now looking at it in preview I really could have made the sky more open ..
But that's the purpose of these exercises

While doing these in photoshop, have wacum table, I found the the basic shapes and masses could also be used for some interesting abstract paintings something on the of color fields....

I will certainly be using these tools before I start my next painting....thanks Johannes... this has been an eye opener...plus a lot of fun...

Am battling a head cold and need to rest for the seminar... here's it from 10PM-when its done..close to 1AM :lol:

Carol

poolekv
03-11-2011, 02:48 AM
heres mine for this week

sylvia
03-11-2011, 11:20 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Mar-2011/265-red_barn_1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Mar-2011/265-red_barn_11.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Mar-2011/265-red_barn_32.jpg
here is my versions of the thumb nail for the painting with the red barn hope some of it is working ..Phyllis

Lynn 592
03-11-2011, 12:41 PM
Here's my value map, my pencil drawing, and the cropped picture. Feed back would be appreciated!

BumpaBob
03-11-2011, 01:50 PM
Well, here is my first try at uploading a value sketch. This is the lake with mountain and trees in middle ground: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Mar-2011/946754-Mtn_Scene_1st_Try.JPG
This probably contains all sorts of 'sins' and I want to resize much of the picture: increase the emphasis on the mountains, increase the mid value area and thereby reducing the dark foreground, bring the treeline down or the bottom boundary up. It took me most of this past week just getting activated so I haven't had time to rework this one or try any more value sketches, but I will take a shot at one of your newest photos.
By way of background: Most of my art training has been from books by authors whose work I admire: Birgit O'Connor, Jack Reid, Stephen Quiller and Charles Harrington (for acrylic as watercolor). I am mostly self-taught and had learned about value mass sketches in David Becker's "How to Sketch With Watercolor". I only started your course on 3/5/11 so I have missed a lot of the earliest info, and don't follow some of the terms: lead in, stacking, tangent, domes, and such. But reviewing the notes and hand outs from previous classes are filling in the spaces. Thanks for all your efforts.

BumpaBob
03-11-2011, 02:25 PM
Here is try #2, making the changes mentioned in my last post:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Mar-2011/946754-Mtn_Scene_2nd_Try.jpg

Now back to the drawing board, literally! bob.c

BumpaBob
03-11-2011, 02:29 PM
Here's my value map, my pencil drawing, and the cropped picture. Feed back would be appreciated!

Hi Lynn: your reversal of the photo and the crop really make the barn pop out and the stream leads the eye right to it. Like the adjustments.1 bob.c

firesignart
03-11-2011, 03:57 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Mar-2011/97017-valuestudy3.jpgI used pastel on the first, then gave up and went back to photoshop--less messy on my mouse....http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/11-Mar-2011/97017-valuestudy1blk.jpg


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Mar-2011/97017-valuestudy2.jpg

Nansketch
03-11-2011, 05:08 PM
Johannes, thanks for a great exercise --this was a lot of fun, challenging and informative. I have a much better concept of how to work with a value plan and compare them to find an effective plan. (I hope I do anyway)

I decided to work on two photos and create 3 plans for each photo -- to compare the options.

first is the tree scene (photo 2) and then the desert scene.

These are in graphite -- sorry about photo quality - had difficulty with showing contrast and a reflection off the graphite.
Best
Nancy

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Mar-2011/141858-ls_value_plan_1_1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Mar-2011/141858-ls_value_plan_2.jpg

Obion
03-11-2011, 07:45 PM
:wave: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Mar-2011/42526-Art_lesson_values.jpg

I am learning so much from these lessons with Johannes, and now putting into practice in a water color I have started. I hope I have got it right :crossfingers: Thank you

Little Mary
03-12-2011, 12:05 AM
My first attempt doing my value map of my picture.

shbezaire
03-12-2011, 06:26 AM
Thank you!
This is better than the one I downloaded.
bj:clap:

I took a paint stick that you can get free at any paint store and I divided it into the 7 values that Johannes has recommended we use. I then drilled a 1/4" hole in the center of each value and painted the values on it. Make sure you paint inside the holes, too. I had made one many years ago with all the values on it that I carried in my plein air pack - it's very handy.
Susi
http://susihavensbezaire.com

JFountain
03-12-2011, 09:30 AM
This is my second attemt at this exercise I do understand it but it was hard to get it to show up on my computer the way I wanted it to.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/775222-Homework_6_001.jpg

Arantxa
03-12-2011, 09:59 AM
I have put the reflection of the trees in the water as Mid-darkhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/190983-2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/190983-1.jpg

rib00
03-12-2011, 10:33 AM
Thumbnail for the mountain scene. Attached file doesn't show in preview.

NorthCarolinaStudent
03-12-2011, 11:25 AM
Here is a new value map I did of a photo I took.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/774972-value_hw_edited-1.jpg

Barbara01
03-12-2011, 12:50 PM
I must be your slowest student Johannes, but I think this value map is my best attempt.

From:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/213041-135220-IMG_4894_3.jpg

Value Map:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/213041-IMG_1570_800x591.jpg

I'm looking forward to the class today. Thank you.

Lynn 592
03-12-2011, 01:36 PM
Hi Lynn: your reversal of the photo and the crop really make the barn pop out and the stream leads the eye right to it. Like the adjustments.1 bob.c

Thanks!

tania_b
03-12-2011, 01:50 PM
I have a question: I used the photo with the building in the second group you posted. I originally made a mid-light in the upper left corner, a mid-dark of the tree shape and all the rest a mid value, as others here in the forum. But I was wondering if it could be done also like the following making the tree shape bigger so to include the door and make it stand out form the mid value range . In the painting there will be some foliage of the tree hanging over the door.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/51075-5.jpg


Thanks

robertsloan2
03-12-2011, 01:55 PM
Two more value map thumbnails based on this photo. I flipped it horizontally to change the way the river went in as a lead-in and tried two value map variations. Experiment in value mapping with Prismacolor gray pencils.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/70184-3-12-2011-Class-Homework-Mass-Value-Thumbnails-Prismacolor.jpg

I love this photo and may tackle it next after I've done the desert cliffs painting, which is in the student critique thread.

This is the reference I chose. I liked how the trees in the distance massed together with the larger ones near them so just connected the darks using those. I can vary them within the mass in terms of value and especially hue to push the smaller ones back.

The second one I figured on a blue sky and making the water the lightest thing in the foreground, but the pale grasses massed with it so I decided to distinguish water from grasses with hue.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/70184-Class-JV-Reference-3.jpg

Lynn 592
03-12-2011, 02:01 PM
Here's my edited value map after I tried to get rid of the "clones" in the original. See post #214.

Artistammy
03-12-2011, 03:59 PM
I'm going to try to get the photos to show up. I'm going to move the building to the bottom right http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/3341-snowscencemasses.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2011/3341-CabinwithBrickFireplaceCabinHwy_small2-21-2011_5-05-17_PM.JPG

karan55
03-12-2011, 07:30 PM
I found the slide on the illusion of 3D in the week 9 handout, but you have elaborated and added more details on the slide you showed today. You really have done such a great job of explaining and clarifying all this information. I cannot believe how much I have learned. I really appreciate the way you repeat the information in different ways and the analogies you use. The visual explanations and examples are so helpful.

You said today that we could use any of the reference photos you show; I really loved the one where you played chess with the bushes in theforeground; (the bushes had a little violet in them). When you showed that demo before and it really grabbed my attention. I loved the revised photo so much!!! I think I really understand it and would like to try painting that landscape. Can you post it or send it to me?

Thanks for all you have done!!!

Isaac M.M.
03-13-2011, 11:05 AM
my value map.
I decided to round the snow to mid-light too.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2011/97351-valuemap2.jpg

surob
03-16-2011, 03:14 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Mar-2011/100874-photo-3.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Mar-2011/100874-photo-1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Mar-2011/100874-photo-5.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Mar-2011/100874-photo-2.JPG

Johannes Instructor
03-16-2011, 03:52 PM
Here's my edited value map after I tried to get rid of the "clones" in the original. See post #214.
Yes this will work. If you pull one side of the building in a different value it will show more three dimensional like a box getting one side light and one side shadow.

Johannes Instructor
03-16-2011, 03:54 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Mar-2011/100874-photo-3.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Mar-2011/100874-photo-1.JPG




Yes this value plan will work. If you make your rocks slightly darker or lighter than the sky those areas will feel that they stack less.

Johannes Instructor
03-16-2011, 03:55 PM
my value map.
I decided to round the snow to mid-light too.



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2011/97351-valuemap2.jpg
I don't believe the mountains all work in a mid light value in the back. Make them a mid value and keep the sky in the mid light.

KenBratto
03-16-2011, 10:39 PM
Wet canvas says I need to post something so here it is.

Sallyabc
03-17-2011, 10:37 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Mar-2011/599812-lake_mt_Mar_17.jpg

I am having problems with the water. Help. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Mar-2011/599812-value_Mt_Jim_Selma_edited-1.jpg

BumpaBob
03-17-2011, 11:45 PM
Hi Johannes: Here is the value mass map I did after downloading the photo you used for last week's demo. I started on the painting right away, before you loaded any new photos or instructions, so I hope it's ok...I just went ahead with a watercolor of the rocky beach. Here is the value sketch:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Mar-2011/946754-RockyPond.jpg
Well, it is right side up this time. I had some problems with the painting, which I will upload tomorrow. I used a 12x16 Arches pad which does not fit on the scanner, so I have to take a photo of it, and would rather work with daylight. And I tried to use some techniques I learned from Jack Ried's book on painting snow and water. He has a way of making rocks look like they are sitting in a pool, but it is a close up method, not for a wider scene. And the water looks more like mud, and the colors are too intense, the masking fluid I used was too old and remained like chewing gum, and... well, you will see it and I look for as many suggestions as I can get.
In the gouache or acrylic section, I found a photo I want to try, one with no water in it. My favorite things to paint are places I want to go fishing, so they usually have some kind of water in it. But this one I found is a desert theme. Let me know if that is OK.
Thanks...bob.c

ddel
03-18-2011, 01:51 PM
I did this value painting in an afternoon. I wasn't interested in details - just values. Am I close?????? Doughttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Mar-2011/118398-values_pratice_2_edited_sm-.jpg

Sallyabc
03-18-2011, 04:01 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Mar-2011/599812-value_Mt_Jim_Selma_1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Mar-2011/599812-Mt_jim_by_Selma.jpg
Mountain scene Acrylic on 9x12 on multimedium paper 98 lbs. I would appreciate any critics good/how to improve. Thanks for the lessons I am learning lots.

Johannes Instructor
03-18-2011, 04:27 PM
I did this value painting in an afternoon. I wasn't interested in details - just values. Am I close?????? Doughttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Mar-2011/118398-values_pratice_2_edited_sm-.jpg
You went darker than a value 8 in the trees and the mid value mass where the grass and stream are is fractured due to the darks in that area. (At least that what I see in the photo)

Johannes Instructor
03-18-2011, 04:28 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Mar-2011/599812-value_Mt_Jim_Selma_1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Mar-2011/599812-Mt_jim_by_Selma.jpg
Mountain scene Acrylic on 9x12 on multimedium paper 98 lbs. I would appreciate any critics good/how to improve. Thanks for the lessons I am learning lots.

You did stay true to your value plan. Good for you. You have a bit of fracturing of dark values scattered in the grass.

Johannes Instructor
03-18-2011, 04:30 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Mar-2011/599812-lake_mt_Mar_17.jpg

I am having problems with the water. Help. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Mar-2011/599812-value_Mt_Jim_Selma_edited-1.jpg

Help is here! A simple answer to avoid the water from stacking with the sky is to darken the water one value. That will settle the dispute between the sky and the water.

Sunny7
03-19-2011, 09:04 AM
Johannes, here is my homework using a photo I have taken near my home in KY. I am not sure I am quite done with the painting.... Thanks for all the wonderful classes! This is the first "formal" training I have had. Love it!
Sunny

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2011/222019-100_5436.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2011/222019-100_4491.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2011/222019-100_5439.jpg

surob
03-19-2011, 10:56 AM
Before I attempt painting this I would like some feedback from Johannes if possible. I am including the photo, thumbnail sketch and 2 value studies. My intent would be to change the foliage on the left of the photo to more cliff/rocks with some hints of foliage and bring the rocks over to the bottom right as a lead in.

It seems like I am learning so much from your classes. I have not done too much serious painting for dare I say 30 years.
Please let me know if I should have posted this to a different thread. Thank you so much for all of your time. Your selfless sharing of your knowledge is amazing to me.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2011/100874-Splitrock.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2011/100874-splitrock_thumbnail_sketch.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2011/100874-value_study_split_rock_001.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2011/100874-value_study_split_rock.jpg