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Bobar57
03-05-2011, 06:02 PM
I just ordered the day before yesterday a Holbein 500 metal folding watercolor palette.
So far all I know from the manufacturer is that is made of baked enamel(not painted enamel)and that they will replace it if there is a manufacturer defect upon receiving it and initials uses.A bit hazy and/or confusing of a warranty,if you ask me........
I googled it and also searched here and there were some results of reports of the enamel bubbling in some spots due to corrosion in the metal underneath.
Others(rare)reports of leakage in between paint wells,mixing them.That's all
What are your experiences,anecdotes,what you have read or a friend told you(who happens to own one) or if you have received a different response from the manufacturer or your country distributor.?????

Bob

watercolourfanatic
03-06-2011, 03:48 PM
Bob:wave:

Charles Reid used a Holbein for years until Craig Young came along. I don't think he had any complaints about it.:thumbsup:

Peter:)

Marcio C
03-06-2011, 04:17 PM
Mine is the 16 wells model, it's sturdy, yet light and compact and has served me for 11 years. No bubbles, there are a couple tiny spots where the enamel got chipped. Castagnet used a model with larger wells when I took a workshop with him, but I've seen in recent DVDs that he now uses the Craig Young. Zbukvic's DVDs still show him using a Holbein. I love mine, just don't use it that often because I've gotten into using pan paints the last couple of years.

Bobar57
03-07-2011, 06:09 PM
Well,I received my Holbein 500 palette today.I'm happy with this one.Light yet sturdy.Excellent work on the baked enamel finish inside and out.There seems to be no leaks in between wells.All seem perfect.I'll post later when I use it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/214336-DSCF0890.JPG

:D Up in that one,the mirror finish catches the reflection of my hands with the camera.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2011/214336-DSCF0891.JPG

Bob

Neeman
03-09-2011, 06:44 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9872381#post9872381

I promised Grainne a picture of the Holbein 250 Sketcher
Dimensions open: 170 x 200mm
Closed 85 x 200mm
3 1/2 x 8 inches

This is has 16 wells, but as you see I have schtupped another 9 paints around the mixing well, mainly earths to get about 25 in all!!

It is great for Plein Air as it is small and holds easily
The wells hold a lot of paint, enough for a weeks painting holiday!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Sep-2010/22951-Copy_of_DSCN0106.JPG

gbrinton
03-09-2011, 08:28 PM
I heard someone had issues with the paint in the wells on the top of the palette dripping onto the bottom wells when the top is closed. Is this an issue at all?

Bobar57
03-09-2011, 09:39 PM
Never heard of such complaint yet.

Bob

cgonzaga
03-09-2011, 11:00 PM
I heard someone had issues with the paint in the wells on the top of the palette dripping onto the bottom wells when the top is closed. Is this an issue at all?

He has a point, after all one of them would be upside down. They have to be fairly dry so as not to drip. If I remember it right, you (Bob) put glycerin with your paints, may make them more viscous.

Bobar57
03-09-2011, 11:44 PM
He has a point, after all one of them would be upside down. They have to be fairly dry so as not to drip. If I remember it right, you (Bob) put glycerin with your paints, may make them more viscous.
Yes,I did,still no drips.On a Sakura plastic palette ,pretty much the same layout as the Holbein 500.
I spoke to a guy at Kremer Pigments and their Gillot Watercolor Medium(honey,glycerin and gum arabic) used to mix with the pigments to make watercolor paint,can be used too to prevent tube paints from becoming dry.Their shipping charge(flat)upped to $15.00,so it won't be now that I'll order some,but I'll definitely will do for the ShinHan colors.

Bob

Marcio C
03-10-2011, 12:39 AM
Mine is the same model that Neeman posted. As for dripping from the lid wells, I never had that problem, maybe because I used those wells for the less used colors, which tend to remain drier. You could use those four wells for your earth colors, those dry pretty fast.
The colors I have had problem with leakage were Indian yellow by Daler-Rowney, and phthalo green by Maimeri and by Winsor & Newton (yes, the same color, different brands).

Also, notice that when closed, the lid wells align with the mixing area, so if the paint dripped, it wouldn't drip on top of other color wells.

Like Neeman, I used to add more colors, but instead of adding them to the palette directly, I used half pans that I stuck to the palette with blue tack, next to those four wells. I also used to carry a brush inside my holbein palette, I used a piece of sponge with a groove cut in it to keep the brush from sliding and bending the hairs. I have a photo of that in my blog at
http://marciosart.blogspot.com/search?q=palette

Bobar57
03-10-2011, 01:07 AM
The colors I have had problem with leakage were Indian yellow by Daler-Rowney, and phthalo green by Maimeri and by Winsor & Newton (yes, the same color, different brands).

Marcio,can you elaborate?Leakage?Do you mean into the mixing wells or in between paint wells?

Bob

Marcio C
03-10-2011, 03:38 PM
Marcio,can you elaborate?Leakage?Do you mean into the mixing wells or in between paint wells?
Hi Bob, I meant both into the mixing wells and over the other paint wells... I explain:
I used my Holbein 250 as my outdoor palette. It came with a clear plastic sleeve. After a painting session, I'd wipe any excess water from the mixing areas or wells, fold the palette, slide it into the plastic cover and place it into my backpack. Then a handful of times over a few weeks in summer, I would get home and find that paint from a couple of the wells had melted in the heat (even though I never left the palette or backpack in the sun), and leaked over the other paints and even out of the palette (disaster being averted by the fact I had the plastic sleep to stop the paint from getting all over my gear). So part my fault for not carrying the palette horizontally, part the paints fault (always the same colors leaked, whereas others never did). But it was never a defect of the design or quality of the palette itself. And if I'd avoided the paints that leaked I'd probably not have changed palettes. But given that I work outdoors a lot and like to travel with my painting gear, I decided to move to pans and never looked back, that is, until now that you made me nostalgic about my holbein palette (it was very light and comfortable to use).

Just to close the loop: Nowadays I use a 16 full+half pans paint box for outdoors, a homee 16-well covered plastic palette in the studio, and a butcher tray for larger paintings. I like them all very well and do not think a CY palette would be worth the cost for me, even if it lasts a lifetime... I'm be glad to replace my palette every 10 or 20 years, I don't think I need my palette to last me longer than my teeth :)

Bobar57
03-10-2011, 03:45 PM
Yes Marcio,they ligth and comfortable,at least the 500 model is.With this one I don't think I'll have that problem for two main reasons:
-When closed the paint wells in both sides are opposite positioned,not in top of one other.
-I use M.Graham paints.These tends to get sticky with the honey,yet ready to be moist in seconds.This make them to adhere to the palette with a good "grip".:wink2:

Bob

Timoat
11-09-2011, 06:17 PM
Hey guys, sorry to resurrect an old thread, I just received my Holbein knock off from Australia, (40 AUD with 20 AUD in postage) and of course, I got what I paid for. Upon arrival the enamel had splits along most seams, and started to flake off with the touch of a brush. SO, again I have been trumped by my own meanness!

I wanted to ask if anyone has the time to do some measurements for me, from the Holbein 500. I have the outer dimensions, but Id like to know the exact dimensions of the paintwells and the mixing areas. If anyone would do that, Id be most grateful! ( I want it to fit in my Soltek, but Im a bit worried that the mixing areas are going to be too small)

Cheers Tim

Marcio C
11-09-2011, 07:01 PM
Tim, the paint wells are about 3/4 x 1 1/2 inches, and the mixing areas about 3 x 2 1/5 inches. The Holbein 1000 has larger mixing areas, and better arrangement of the paint wells.

Timoat
11-09-2011, 07:07 PM
Haha, wow, thanks for the super speedy reply Marcio! I thought Id have to wait at least a few days! Those are pretty small mixing areas!. I wish it didnt have the full row of wells on the bottom half, just 4 and then a large mixing area. I guess the 350 has that, but its smaller on the other end. Maybe I should just accept the fact that my crap one wont fit inside the soltek, glue some velcro on it and stick it on the outside of it. And of curse the enamel rupture....