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Harry Seymour
02-23-2011, 06:51 PM
This is an 8x10 on blackboard. Recently Lorna showed us one of her works in its "ugly" stage. Here is mine in it's truly ugly stage. It is my hope that it will progress http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Feb-2011/131361-Sweetness_WIP.jpgand live up to its title, "Sweetness."

artofnature
02-23-2011, 07:15 PM
So glad you are doing a portrait Harry. We can take the path together. I will be watching your interpretation and followups very closely. Portraits and smooth surfaces scare the living daylights out of me.

Harry Seymour
02-23-2011, 07:30 PM
Lesley, I'll be following your progress as well and I'm confident you will produce a great piece. Lorna and Diana have given you great advice. Don't rush it. There is always a bit of apprehension when starting a piece.

PatrickHedges
02-23-2011, 08:31 PM
For once I agree with an artist about the 'ugly' stage :lol: But we know you always bring them round to the 'magnificent' stage. No pressure mind you :lol:

lorna12
02-24-2011, 05:45 AM
Awwww...not so ugly! I'll enjoy watching this develope...it looks like it's (he?she?) so cute! Are you using a pin/needle?

Rodman
02-24-2011, 03:02 PM
This project is in the right hands.... pulling up a seat...close...front row.

FoggyMountain
02-24-2011, 04:55 PM
I can't wait to see this develop as well. A great learning experience. Looking pretty darn good for the ugly stage.

Diana Lee
02-25-2011, 02:59 AM
Excellent start. I am such a fan, I am eager to see you do what you do so well.

Diana

Buggin3
02-25-2011, 01:56 PM
I always enjoy seeing your WIPs, and how your projects develop. I think it is a huge help to see how others work their way through a piece. I have thrown out pieces that got into a stage where I was not happy with the progress. With this medium I find that you just have to ignore those stages and keep working on it until you get it to where you want it. I will be following along for sure. :thumbsup:

Harry Seymour
02-25-2011, 06:00 PM
Thanks Patrick, Lorna, Rodman, Lynn , Diana, and Brett. Here is an update.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Feb-2011/131361-Sweetness_WIP2a.jpg

lorna12
02-25-2011, 06:20 PM
Awesome looking skin, Harry! Lovely eyes, too.

MuttHut
02-25-2011, 06:33 PM
This is looking really nice Harry, great skin.

Wendy

FoggyMountain
02-25-2011, 07:43 PM
Incredible difference already. Great skin technique.

pamelalbd
02-25-2011, 10:06 PM
Wow.......love seeing how other people work. What a huge difference from one to the other! Your work is so smooth and beautiful...once your past stage 1 :lol:

Buggin3
02-25-2011, 11:23 PM
Man, that is a big difference. You have already achieved "Sweetness" here!! :thumbsup:

artofnature
02-25-2011, 11:32 PM
Harry, your skin is really good. Mine's a bit of a struggle at the moment but plugging on

annamelia
02-26-2011, 01:17 AM
Harry this will be so cute and that skin is looking FANTASTIC!!!

VENKAT
02-26-2011, 01:40 AM
Remarkable transformation .waiting for updates
Venkat

03ahmed
02-26-2011, 11:41 AM
Such a difference!! Looking beautiful! :)

Diana Lee
02-26-2011, 01:37 PM
Oh, velvet skin!! Just lovely!! What is your technique here?

Diana

Harry Seymour
02-26-2011, 02:05 PM
Oh, velvet skin!! Just lovely!! What is your technique here?

Diana

Thanks Diana. I use a very fine straight pin (it is bendable). I scratch in one direction and rub in the dust remnants. Then I scratch in a slight angle from the first direction and rub again. I repeat this process over and over again until I've create what may appear to be skin pores. The pin is about an inch and a half and depending on how rigid I want it I vary it's length. The longer the length the more flexible and less likely to scratch too deeply. I also use black pastels to enhance and rebuild areas (similar to re-inking). I mix a little mineral spirits or denatured alcohol to achieve a particular pastel consistency. Various blenders and brushes are used with the pastel.

Harry Seymour
02-27-2011, 03:57 PM
Thank you Lorna, Wendy, Brett, Lynn, Pamela, Lesley, Judy, Venkat, and Irfan for looking and commenting. Here is an update.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2011/131361-Sweetness_WIP4b.jpg

Diana Lee
02-27-2011, 04:00 PM
Oh, wonderful!! I sure would love to see you work in person, it is such an unusual technique! Are you planning to come to Texas?

Diana

Harry Seymour
02-27-2011, 04:49 PM
Oh, wonderful!! I sure would love to see you work in person, it is such an unusual technique! Are you planning to come to Texas?

Diana
Thanks Diana for your continued support and encouragement. No, I won't be able to come to Texas. As for my technique, it is a technique in progress. The last several pieces I've done have some aspects of it. "Enjoying a Cone" was a breakthrough, but was my first white board, and now "Sweetness" is an extension of that on blackboard. Each piece moves me closer to ????? We shall see where I end up, but I'm enjoying the discovery. I say all this to say I'm hardly ready to give a demonstration.

artofnature
02-27-2011, 06:20 PM
Harry, you are well and truly ready to to a demonstration. Your work is very unique and you achieve such smooth texture. This is looking fantastic. Pulling up a chair

PatrickHedges
02-27-2011, 06:45 PM
Goodness Harry, you've well and truly left the ugly stage behind and gone into the "amazingly life like skin" stage!!

emilycolors
02-27-2011, 06:54 PM
I'd love to see a close up of the skin tone! Looks amazing!

PaintDog
02-27-2011, 07:29 PM
Wow Harry, that's fantastic! The comparison between the rough and smooth is great to see. I know there's a lot of work to get from one to the other.

I love the way everyone has adapted their own styles and techniques to this surface.

FoggyMountain
02-27-2011, 08:36 PM
Your skin texture is so incredibly smooth; really lovely.

Harry Seymour
02-28-2011, 03:31 PM
Thanks Patrick,Lesley, Ann, Lynn and Emily. As requested by Emily, here as a close up.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Feb-2011/131361-WIP_Sweetness_crop.jpg

PatrickHedges
02-28-2011, 07:17 PM
Must take you hours and hours :eek:

Harry Seymour
02-28-2011, 08:03 PM
Must take you hours and hours :eek:

Yup!

lorna12
02-28-2011, 08:19 PM
Exquisite looking skin Harry! Hours and Hours are nothing when you're doing something that you love and it shows in your work.

Harry Seymour
02-28-2011, 08:39 PM
Thanks Lorna. You may not believe this but I learned from you the necessity to put in the time-as I reflect on my first introduction to scratchboard in that article in International Artist featuring you.

lorna12
02-28-2011, 08:55 PM
Oh...so you're the one who read it?! :D Seriously, I'm glad if I helped in some way...now I'm learning from you.:)

Harry Seymour
03-03-2011, 05:53 PM
Lorna-you flatter me but that will be the day when I have something to teach you. Here is my next update.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Mar-2011/131361-WIP_Sweetness_5b.jpg

Diana Lee
03-03-2011, 06:05 PM
So very impressive!! She is beautiful!

Diana

objectivistartist
03-04-2011, 04:56 AM
Oh my - how this IS coming along!! :thumbsup:

Maxime Thiffault
03-04-2011, 10:31 AM
Wow!! wonderfull. the skin texture is superbe.

kenmacf
03-04-2011, 10:50 AM
I want to rub my finger on it just to feel the contours. I love it.

Obedec
03-04-2011, 11:33 AM
Amazing and Inspiring!

fire angel
03-04-2011, 11:58 AM
This is soooo wonderful, Great job Harry!!!

Harry Seymour
03-06-2011, 08:01 PM
Thank you Diana, Robert, Maxime, Ken, Karen and Greg. Here is an update.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2011/131361-Sweetness_WIP6b.jpg

artofnature
03-06-2011, 08:13 PM
Feel like a broken record here Harry, but that skin is so smooth. Love the expression

jeniart
03-06-2011, 08:47 PM
Beautiful Harry - the skin looks so soft and smooth - I'd love to see your technique. Looking forward to more:wave:

Rodman
03-06-2011, 08:52 PM
Wow....for what ever reason... I had not checked in on this.... Harry!!! This looks fantastic ...I love it that your exploring AND sharing... yea man, this is soooo cool.

NOTE TO HARRY: your very much ready to do a demo.....trust us.

PaintDog
03-06-2011, 09:14 PM
Looking great, Harry - the skin is sooo soft and smooth! :thumbsup:

birdlover
03-07-2011, 01:41 PM
Very precious.

03ahmed
03-07-2011, 02:51 PM
Wow! Loving this one and the way you do skin is just amazing!

lorna12
03-07-2011, 03:38 PM
She's getting more adorable! Lovin' watching her come alive!

Buggin3
03-08-2011, 05:21 PM
The composition of this board is perfect. You've really taken this piece to the next level!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Crias
03-08-2011, 06:15 PM
Harry you are rocking this board! Fantastic!

tigress
03-08-2011, 09:50 PM
I love the kindness you have captured in her eyes. Is the skin texture achieved by elongated pointilism and a very light touch. I have not gotten beyond fur yet, but you are an insperation. Great job!

Garbonzo
03-09-2011, 12:15 AM
Harry, sweetness it is. Fantastic skin. You do it all.

VENKAT
03-09-2011, 02:13 AM
What impresses most is the texture of the skin . i am trying to guess how you could get smooth effect without showing scratches even in a zoomed version
Venkat

Harry Seymour
03-09-2011, 09:19 AM
What impresses most is the texture of the skin . i am trying to guess how you could get smooth effect without showing scratches even in a zoomed version
Venkat

Venkat, thanks and there is no need to guess. It is really quite simple. Cross scratch until you don't see the scratches. However, as I scratch I rub the dust remnants into the scratch grooves. This rubbing retains the scratchboard effect, otherwise what would be the point of scratchboard. It is important to have a very light touch which I achieve with the straight pin.

Thanks for looking and commenting to Lesley, Jenny, Rodman, Ann, Angela, Irfan, Lorna, Brett, Cathy, tigress, and Harold. Another update should be coming soon--all this scratching takes time.

Harry Seymour
03-10-2011, 04:58 PM
Here is another update.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2011/131361-Sweetness_WIP7b.jpg

PatrickHedges
03-10-2011, 05:18 PM
I don't know if I've ever seen skin this smooth in scratchboard. It's really something you are perfecting!!

Diane Cutter
03-10-2011, 08:28 PM
I've thoroughly enjoyed watching this evolve, Harry. Everything about it is well done and darling. I know the final results will be superb...

Diane

lorna12
03-11-2011, 02:42 AM
I don't know if I've ever seen skin this smooth in scratchboard. It's really something you are perfecting!!

Me either and I'm jealous! :wink2: :D

I just started another of one my granddaughters...gonna see if I can get it that smooth. :crossfingers:

MuttHut
03-11-2011, 03:49 AM
Beautiful work Harry, and your using a straight pin? WOW. Gentle touch or what.

WEndy

03ahmed
03-11-2011, 09:40 AM
Oh wow!! (Speechless)

Harry Seymour
03-19-2011, 11:03 PM
Thank you Patrick, Diane, Lorna, Wendy and Irfan. Here is my latest update and some close ups. I hope to do more with the mouth area. I'm not happy with it.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2011/131361-Wip_Sweetness_8b.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2011/131361-Wip_Sweetness_Crip_1b.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2011/131361-Wip_Sweetness_Crop_2b.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2011/131361-Wip_Sweetness_Crop_3b.jpg C & C appreciated.

Obedec
03-20-2011, 12:52 AM
Oh Harry, exquisite!!!

lorna12
03-20-2011, 04:42 AM
This thread is aptly named...she really is sweetness!

What might be making you unhappy about the mouth is, it appears a bit twisted... it seems to be coming forward on the left side (our left) instead of sloping down/back slightly...it might just be a matter of shading the lighter area above the lip?? I could probably show you what I mean better than explain it. Let me know if that will help.

Harry Seymour
03-20-2011, 09:27 AM
Thanks Lorna. Yes, I would appreciate that feedback.

FoggyMountain
03-20-2011, 10:14 AM
I am constantly amazed at this piece. Beautiful!

lorna12
03-20-2011, 04:29 PM
This is kinda what I meant...I'm not very good at 'painting' on the computer so it's just a rough idea. The arrows in the 2nd pic show where I adjusted. Not having seen the photo I hope I didn't change her appearance too much.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Mar-2011/11613-131361-Wip_Sweetness_8b_Harrys.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Mar-2011/11613-131361-Wip_Sweetness_8b_Harrys_adj.jpg

kenmacf
03-20-2011, 04:54 PM
Very beautiful.

Harry Seymour
03-20-2011, 05:05 PM
This is kinda what I meant...I'm not very good at 'painting' on the computer so it's just a rough idea. The arrows in the 2nd pic show where I adjusted. Not having seen the photo I hope I didn't change her appearance too much.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Mar-2011/11613-131361-Wip_Sweetness_8b_Harrys.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Mar-2011/11613-131361-Wip_Sweetness_8b_Harrys_adj.jpg

Thank you Ken and Lorna. I understand your suggestion and will work on it. While I have your attention what do you or others think about the value contrast between the dress, earrings and eyes. Technically the viewer should be focusing on the eyes but the earings and dress are the brightest on the image and thus draws your eyes away from the face. Also, is the finger under the lip distracting? Here is the original photo.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Mar-2011/131361-Little_Face9x12.jpg

lorna12
03-20-2011, 06:05 PM
Isn't she cute! That finger did bother me but only a bit...now it makes sense. If you plan on making the chair a bit shiny and putting it more in front then I would leave it. I actually thought she was holding a teddy or something and that was the ear.:D

With this crop you can't help but have those beautiful eyes as the focus. I don't find the earrings or dress a distraction but you might want to make the hi-light in her eye at least as bright.

I can see now that the shadowing could be a bit darker on our left side, than what I suggested.

Diana Lee
03-20-2011, 06:34 PM
Good catch on the corner of the mouth. It's hard to get away from those eyes and see anything else. I didn't notice the finger til you pointed it out.
Do you know this child? She is so beautiful!

Diana

Harry Seymour
03-20-2011, 08:22 PM
Lorna, thanks for your help on this. It was my intention to have the left side darker but I veered away from it simply on feeling effect.
Diana- no, i don't know her. She was photographed by a friend several years ago who thought it would make a good painting. I'm just getting around to it.

I'm going to put this aside for awhile. I'm beginning to burn out on it.

artofnature
03-20-2011, 08:32 PM
She is such a delightful subject harry. The skin is so smooth.

Why stop now? You have almost finished it. C'mon. Keep at it. I agree with Lorna about a little more highlight in the pupil but I like the contrast of the dress. After all she is a dark skinned child.

But I did find that finger distracting. I was drawn to it when i first saw it and couldn't work out until I saw the photo what it was. Maybe other viewers will be a little bewildered. It doesn't seem to make sense until you see the pic.

Personally, I think this stunning piece could live without it. There are so many other parts of the painting to draw viewer interest. But that's just my opinion.

Whatever you decide about the composition, it is already a winner.

PatrickHedges
03-20-2011, 08:44 PM
Wow, she really is a gorgeous girl. And you have such an excellent style with skin, making it so smoothe! You could lighten the lower edges to the lid on her right eye (our left) so it isn't so much an outline, nbut this is really lovely.

Harry Seymour
03-20-2011, 09:11 PM
Lesley, thanks for your kind words and I certainly will get back to it. But, sometimes you have to distance yourself from a work when you are puzzling over it.
Patrick-you have a keen eye indeed. Thanks for the observation.

Rodman
03-20-2011, 09:18 PM
Look how cool you guys are working together.... good on ya! I gotta tell ya..this is looking oh so good..the things the other artist saw...got by me..lol.

Garbonzo
03-21-2011, 12:49 AM
Beautiful work Harry. I don't find the earring, dress and/or finger distracting. I was attracted to the eyes immediately and then allowed my eyes to move away to enjoy the rest of the image. Your scratchwork is so good.

Harry Seymour
04-08-2011, 06:50 PM
Thanks for commenting Rodman and Harold. Based on suggestions I've made a few changes. Here is my finished version.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Apr-2011/131361-Sweentness_Final_WC.jpg

SammyH
04-08-2011, 07:01 PM
What a beautiful portrait of a beautiful girl. Those eyes just pull one into the painting. The skin is exquisite - so smooth. I like it better now that you've removed that finger.
It's easy to see why you named this one "Sweetness." Great painting.

artofnature
04-08-2011, 07:11 PM
:clap::clap:Love it Harry. What a stunner!

jeniart
04-08-2011, 08:22 PM
What a beautiful portrait of a beautiful child Harry - and she looks definitely sweet. Just one thing bugs me and you don't need to take any notice as no-one else sees it but I feel she needs just a hint of eyelashes - even though they are not visible on the photo.

I took the liberty of printing your portrait so I could just show you how it might look. I just used a pencil - hope you don't mind?
682219

Harry Seymour
04-08-2011, 08:35 PM
Jenny--what a great observation. This happens when you hold to closely to a photograph yet you know that eyelashes exist. I've not sprayed this yet so I have ample opportunity to make modifications. Thanks for your keen eye.

PatrickHedges
04-08-2011, 09:02 PM
I do like what Jenny did but even so, this is masterful!!!

PaintDog
04-09-2011, 04:00 AM
I'm just repeating what everyone else has said, but I still have to say it - the smooth skin is impressive and amazing. It looks like charcoal until you see the texture in close-up.

Awesome job, Harry!

lorna12
04-09-2011, 06:42 AM
She's so beautiful! I like the changes you've made and Jenny's suggestion of eyelashes. Her skin is so awesome, Harry, her eyes just gorgeous...you should be so very proud of this.

kenmacf
04-09-2011, 10:49 AM
Just gorgeous. Very well done.

Diana Lee
04-09-2011, 02:48 PM
Harry, her eyes just gorgeous...you should be so very proud of this.Lorna, I couldn't say it better myself!
This is so wonderful!

Diana

Harry Seymour
04-10-2011, 09:40 AM
Thanks Patrick, Ann, Lorna, ken, and Diana. I've learned a lot from this piece.

MuttHut
04-11-2011, 03:51 AM
She is really sweet Harry, you have really done a great job on this.

Wendy

fire angel
04-11-2011, 10:56 AM
Excellent work Harry, what a sweet little girl!!

Harry Seymour
04-12-2011, 02:46 PM
Thanks Wendy and Greg.

artbygail
04-12-2011, 04:47 PM
A very beautiful rendering Harry. Love the softness and they eyes catch you immediately. Good suggestions from everyone, very helpful group. Gail

Rodman
04-12-2011, 08:06 PM
Stunning finish Harry... the first thing people are going to say when they see this is "AWWWwwww" second will be "WOW"...

Obedec
04-12-2011, 09:52 PM
Oh Harry, this is one superb piece, I hope you make prints because lots of people are going to want this.
Karen

Harry Seymour
04-14-2011, 08:01 AM
Thanks Gail, Rodman and Karen for commenting.

VENKAT
04-14-2011, 08:16 AM
Harry : This looks great in the final stages
Venkat

Harry Seymour
09-13-2011, 09:49 AM
Hi Venkat, just noticed this thread in my profile list and realized I never thanked you for your comment. I hate loose ends. THANKS!

Crias
09-13-2011, 10:02 AM
Her eyes sparkle with life - very well done!

FoggyMountain
09-13-2011, 10:52 AM
Beautiful job Harry. You have a unique style that results in a look so lifelike. She is sweetness.

Harry Seymour
09-13-2011, 08:54 PM
Lynn--thanks for your kind words. This piece was done several months ago but still enjoy reactions such as yours.

Harry Seymour
09-13-2011, 11:52 PM
Oops! Cathy, I missed your comment. I do appreciate it.