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Johannes Instructor
02-19-2011, 06:53 PM
The homework for next Saturday is the following. I want you to create a line that is about 5 inches long that would seem like the Manhattan skyline. It should have no repeated widths, heights in negative or positive spaces.

pjreads
02-19-2011, 08:45 PM
I'm looking for a whip & a chair to get my left brain to back off a little. :eek:
Clone city the first time, but maybe ... :crossfingers:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/190233-skyline.jpg

tedzart
02-19-2011, 09:27 PM
Okay! I have tried this with pencil and Photoshop Elements. It is really difficult.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/180589-Homework20110219_001_edited-2.jpg










http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/180589-Homework20110219PE.jpg

Obion
02-19-2011, 09:36 PM
:wave: Manhatton skyline atemp:lol:
Not to good at drawing straight line on Paint, but you get the picture I hope.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/42526-Manhatton_skyline_3.jpg

jmcedeno
02-19-2011, 09:51 PM
Johannes, another great class today, here is my Manhattan Skyline homework.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/159973-Manhattan_Skyline-02-19-2011-18-37-20-187.jpg

Eddypus1
02-19-2011, 11:19 PM
Here is my skyline drawing. It wasn't so easy to keep good elements of shapes and lines.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/827922-CITYSCAPE3.gif

Misty Mountain
02-19-2011, 11:51 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/54780-skyline.jpg

Misty Mountain
02-19-2011, 11:53 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/54780-skyline.jpg

This is very hard when you think its right you find something that does not fit.

Pinklady219
02-20-2011, 12:42 AM
Okay, here is the skyline I came up with.:crossfingers: yea or nay :clap: :crying:

tuscanni
02-20-2011, 04:25 AM
here is my manhattan skyline. Sorry the lines are so crooked, its the first time I have used paint program to draw lines. I dont know how to erase lines once I have put them down, so I cant fix the mistakes. Drawing this was almost like using an etch a sketch. I am learning so much in this webinar. I have told all my artsie friends about it.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/187535-wetcanvas_webinar_homework_week_7.JPG

carol_lee
02-20-2011, 05:47 AM
here is the eraser tool in paint!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/58142-PAINT.jpg
carol

Johannes Instructor
02-20-2011, 07:31 AM
I'm looking for a whip & a chair to get my left brain to back off a little. :eek:
Clone city the first time, but maybe ... :crossfingers:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/190233-skyline.jpg

Ok now you got it!

Johannes Instructor
02-20-2011, 07:32 AM
here is my manhattan skyline. Sorry the lines are so crooked, its the first time I have used paint program to draw lines. I dont know how to erase lines once I have put them down, so I cant fix the mistakes. Drawing this was almost like using an etch a sketch. I am learning so much in this webinar. I have told all my artsie friends about it.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/187535-wetcanvas_webinar_homework_week_7.JPG

Yes but you succeeded no protrusion or indentation is repeated. Now we have to think that way with tree, rocks, evergreens, etc

Johannes Instructor
02-20-2011, 07:33 AM
Okay, here is the skyline I came up with.:crossfingers: yea or nay :clap: :crying:
yea!!! Well done

Johannes Instructor
02-20-2011, 07:33 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/54780-skyline.jpg 3 buildngs have the same height.

Johannes Instructor
02-20-2011, 07:35 AM
Here is my skyline drawing. It wasn't so easy to keep good elements of shapes and lines.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/827922-CITYSCAPE3.gif

Yes well done. I know it is not easy. The lfet brain wants to take over and it its way. That's why many paintings end up having problem areas.

Johannes Instructor
02-20-2011, 07:35 AM
Okay! I have tried this with pencil and Photoshop Elements. It is really difficult.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/180589-Homework20110219_001_edited-2.jpg










http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/180589-Homework20110219PE.jpg

Two buildings have the same height.

Johannes Instructor
02-20-2011, 07:37 AM
Johannes, another great class today, here is my Manhattan Skyline homework.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Feb-2011/159973-Manhattan_Skyline-02-19-2011-18-37-20-187.jpg Ok it worked but I preferred not to resrot to circular protrusions.

Eddypus1
02-20-2011, 08:30 AM
Thanks Johannes for your comments. I'm posting my first try at skyline drawing. I thought it had too many jagged edges. What do you think? Does it look too busy? I kind of like it myself, but you're the pro.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/827922-CITYSCAPE.gif

Johannes Instructor
02-20-2011, 10:52 AM
Thanks Johannes for your comments. I'm posting my first try at skyline drawing. I thought it had too many jagged edges. What do you think? Does it look too busy? I kind of like it myself, but you're the pro.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/827922-CITYSCAPE.gif

Back to the drawing board. You focused on the positive shapes but neglected the negative shapes (white shapes) . If you measure the widths of these they are the same. The reason I am insisting is that you will pay more attention to these indentations in your trees as well. This way you become trained to check your "blind spot" which is the negative space.

karan55
02-20-2011, 10:52 AM
OK this was definitly a war between Left and right brain; I think I will repeat this exercise often. I really struggled. Is it OK for positive and negative spaces at the same hieght? I also struggled with gap widths and probably missed some. My right brain got tired!!!!!

Ruthie57
02-20-2011, 12:18 PM
This is hard!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/189061-line.jpg

tuscanni
02-20-2011, 12:27 PM
Yes but you succeeded no protrusion or indentation is repeated. Now we have to think that way with tree, rocks, evergreens, etc

I found this exercise very easy to do, except in using the paint tool. It was so easy, that I thought I was doing it wrong. Is it wrong of me to do this exercise in 2 minutes when it is supposed to be more difficult? I think that I will find that it is more difficult when it comes to adding these principles to landscapes since I see these landscapes everyday and they look a certain way. These trees shapes are embedded in my mind that they look a certain way. However, I have learned that its best to plan out a painting, even landscapes, instead of just jumping into it and starting to paint with no plan. The result of planing the composition of a painting will be a better painting...thanks so much for all your pearls of wisdom Johannes, a tiny lightbulb went off in my head too...ah ha she says, thats why I have to keep changeing things in my paintings subconsciosly knowing that tree doesnt look good there, but not quite knowing the reason why that tree doesnt look good there.

spirothet
02-20-2011, 01:00 PM
My Entry Thanks,

robertsloan2
02-20-2011, 01:01 PM
My THIRD go at this since I tried it twice in my notes and failed both times. It really is a war between the left and right brain. Left brain is yammering "But the street would be the same level all the time" and right brain growling "But you don't SEE the street level at that distance."

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/70184-2-20-2011-Class-4-Session-1-Homework-Skyline-Exercise.jpg

I considered penciling first instead of trying it with a pen. The result - a visible fix, but I think it counts that I noticed and fixed it. I was paying attention to the shapes and widths of intervals too, those are sneaky!

I feel like repeating this exercise occasionally will help keep me on my toes watching out for clones.

Proof, if any more proof was needed, how important planning, thumbnails, preliminary sketching and notans are. If I'd measured and penciled it first I'd have probably gotten it bloody perfect. I've just spotted another clone in there too - arrgh!

So maybe I'll put my money where my mouth is and try Penciling and Measuring before Inking.

I used a grid ruler and measured each interval, not repeating a measurement. Two that are only 1-16" off look similar but are actually different. It got tricky near the end not to repeat one of the smaller intervals or repeat the exact wide interval because I hit the end of the paper, hence the 1/16" division. Much easier doing the vertical matching with the grid ruler to plot across each of the previous marks!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/70184-2-20-2011-Class-4-Session-1-Homework-Skyline-Repeat.jpg

Colorix
02-20-2011, 02:45 PM
LOL! I just think European...

Not Manhattan...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/117343-Skylines.jpg

robertsloan2
02-20-2011, 02:57 PM
Aww Charlie, yours is so much prettier! I think you do have better looking city skylines. I've seen areas of Chicago that really look like my drawing.

horsthh
02-20-2011, 04:31 PM
O.K. So I am lazy, but resourceful, love your class, thank you very much.

Eddypus1
02-20-2011, 06:14 PM
Thanks Johannes for the comment on my second skyline. I see what you mean. Maybe I got my message crossed. My right brain was telling me all along "look, something is wrong with this drawing!"

firesignart
02-20-2011, 06:25 PM
hmmm been away from the city a loooong time

Holly B.
02-20-2011, 08:05 PM
Johannes, a million thanks for giving us such a perfectly beautiful painting and demo today and I want to apologize for my stupid comment about the bridge before you even finished it (or anytime), a blonde moment.
Keeping comments (not worthy of even calling a critique) constructive is an art in itself! An inadvertent lesson learned.

Holly B.
02-20-2011, 08:10 PM
Johannes, a million thanks for giving us such a perfectly beautiful painting and demo today...and I want to apologize for my stupid comment about the bridge before you even finished it (or anytime), a blonde moment.
Keeping comments (not worthy of even calling a critique) constructive is an art in itself! An inadvertent lesson learned.

winecountry
02-20-2011, 09:28 PM
of all the cities here, I think I'd most like to live in Charlie's:music: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/103030-city_line.jpg

MissingK8
02-20-2011, 10:43 PM
'ere's me manhattan skyline, duckies (sorry: watching my fair lady on tcm).

i feel i should mention that i used to get yelled at in 4th grade for doodling these on my homework papers...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/249271-manhattan_skyline.jpg

Colorix
02-21-2011, 03:41 AM
Thanks, I guess I need to try to re-train the ole brain... not as quick a learner as I used to be decades ago... :-)

mij
02-21-2011, 04:26 AM
It's a long time since I used MSpaint.
cheers
jim

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2011/69634-Homework_manhattan_skyline.jpg

hewill4giveu
02-21-2011, 06:31 AM
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/images/attach/jpg.gif skyline.jpg (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=670852&stc=1&d=1298287786) (6.1 KB)

elisamaria
02-21-2011, 07:04 AM
The left and right brain were arguing. Who won?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2011/735472-P1030863.JPG

Johannes Instructor
02-21-2011, 07:34 PM
Johannes, a million thanks for giving us such a perfectly beautiful painting and demo today and I want to apologize for my stupid comment about the bridge before you even finished it (or anytime), a blonde moment.
Keeping comments (not worthy of even calling a critique) constructive is an art in itself! An inadvertent lesson learned.
I like the bottom one.There is just a lining up if some buildings, visually they are too close in height. Mathematically they are not.

Johannes Instructor
02-21-2011, 07:35 PM
The left and right brain were arguing. Who won?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2011/735472-P1030863.JPG

The winner in this case was...................... your right brian! Well done. Now think this way in your paintings.

Johannes Instructor
02-21-2011, 07:36 PM
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/images/attach/jpg.gif skyline.jpg (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=670852&stc=1&d=1298287786) (6.1 KB)
Yep well done.

Johannes Instructor
02-21-2011, 07:37 PM
It's a long time since I used MSpaint.
cheers
jim

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2011/69634-Homework_manhattan_skyline.jpg

You got it! Very good!

Johannes Instructor
02-21-2011, 07:39 PM
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/images/attach/jpg.gif skyline.jpg (http://wetcanvas.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=670852&stc=1&d=1298287786) (6.1 KB)

Very good nothing repeats. Think this way with your tree outlines, rocks, evergreens, etc

Johannes Instructor
02-21-2011, 07:40 PM
of all the cities here, I think I'd most like to live in Charlie's:music: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/103030-city_line.jpg

yes now think that way with your rocks.

Johannes Instructor
02-21-2011, 07:42 PM
My THIRD go at this since I tried it twice in my notes and failed both times. It really is a war between the left and right brain. Left brain is yammering "But the street would be the same level all the time" and right brain growling "But you don't SEE the street level at that distance."

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/70184-2-20-2011-Class-4-Session-1-Homework-Skyline-Exercise.jpg

I considered penciling first instead of trying it with a pen. The result - a visible fix, but I think it counts that I noticed and fixed it. I was paying attention to the shapes and widths of intervals too, those are sneaky!

I feel like repeating this exercise occasionally will help keep me on my toes watching out for clones.

Proof, if any more proof was needed, how important planning, thumbnails, preliminary sketching and notans are. If I'd measured and penciled it first I'd have probably gotten it bloody perfect. I've just spotted another clone in there too - arrgh!

So maybe I'll put my money where my mouth is and try Penciling and Measuring before Inking.

I used a grid ruler and measured each interval, not repeating a measurement. Two that are only 1-16" off look similar but are actually different. It got tricky near the end not to repeat one of the smaller intervals or repeat the exact wide interval because I hit the end of the paper, hence the 1/16" division. Much easier doing the vertical matching with the grid ruler to plot across each of the previous marks!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Feb-2011/70184-2-20-2011-Class-4-Session-1-Homework-Skyline-Repeat.jpg
In the first picture I can fit a positive shape into a negative next to it. the idea is all spaces positive and negative never repeat.

hewill4giveu
02-21-2011, 09:43 PM
Very good nothing repeats. Think this way with your tree outlines, rocks, evergreens, etc


Thank you johanes your guidelines are being burned into my brain. I was telling someone i was in an office today. There was a painting coarse of the aspens and pines perhaps local. You guessed it, full of pointed pines triangles , round aspens and no melodic like LOL.

allydoodle
02-22-2011, 12:23 AM
Well, here goes. I must have sat with this for 45 minutes, refining it and looking at both the negative and positive shapes. It was very revealing to see how hard it is to switch back and forth. Being from New York, I think the Manhattan skyline definitely influenced my design. I might have gotten carried away, the more I corrected, the more it influenced something else that then needed correction. I'm dizzy!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2011/93075-skyscraper_homework.JPG

artastic
02-22-2011, 03:52 AM
here is mine (manhatton of my imagination

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2011/104250-skyline.jpg )

Johannes Instructor
02-22-2011, 01:57 PM
Well, here goes. I must have sat with this for 45 minutes, refining it and looking at both the negative and positive shapes. It was very revealing to see how hard it is to switch back and forth. Being from New York, I think the Manhattan skyline definitely influenced my design. I might have gotten carried away, the more I corrected, the more it influenced something else that then needed correction. I'm dizzy!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Feb-2011/93075-skyscraper_homework.JPG
Wow this one mustve been complicated but the only way you could've solved it is by paying attention to the negative spaces. Look like I came up with a good exercise huh?

allydoodle
02-22-2011, 02:42 PM
Wow this one mustve been complicated but the only way you could've solved it is by paying attention to the negative spaces. Look like I came up with a good exercise huh?

:lol: :lol: :lol: Yes, I really was looking at the negative spaces practically the whole time. Like I said, every time I adjusted one thing, something else got skewed, so by the time I was done, it literally looked like Manhattan, and it got 'complicated'. It was a good exercise though, I've always liked painting using negative space, so this for me was fun. I enjoyed the exercise, and sort of got lost in the process. My brain hurt :eek: afterwards though!

Lynn 592
02-22-2011, 03:16 PM
Here's mine.

hayday77
02-22-2011, 04:53 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2011/136427-Abstract_skyline.JPG

Here you go - my abstract skyline. Good thing I am not an architect. Loving our classes Johannes and can't wait to start composing better paintings.

Amandine
02-22-2011, 07:22 PM
Instead of Manhattan, here is downtown Montreal :
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Feb-2011/661062-buildings.jpg
Amandine

Zanart
02-23-2011, 03:17 PM
Here is my abstract skylinehttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Feb-2011/63367-homework_Johannes.jpg

surob
02-24-2011, 02:14 PM
Kind of ugly, but??????????
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2011/100874-skyline.jpeg
Flipped. I think I was thinking with my upside down brain on the first one.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2011/100874-skyline2.jpeg

mozapony
02-24-2011, 03:51 PM
thanks - A good exercise.

Skyline
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2011/133246-homeworkSkyline_pos-neg_Feb202.jpg
.
rgds
Sandee

Johannes Instructor
02-24-2011, 04:59 PM
Kind of ugly, but??????????
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Feb-2011/100874-skyline.jpeg
Flipped. I think I was thinking with my upside down brain on the first one.

Right if you reverse the image from any point of view you would have different spaces. The positive spaces become the negative spaces and when you flip it again the negative spaces become the positive spaces.

pat-trew
02-25-2011, 01:03 PM
THIS IS THE BEST OF 8, TRIED TO DO SOME EYE HAND COORDINTAION, DONT LOOK AT PAPER JUST PICTURE, NOT SO GOOD, MANY MATCHING SPACES.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Feb-2011/105243-Scan1.JPG

pat-trew
02-25-2011, 02:18 PM
HAD TO TRY AGAIN, SORT OF LIKE IF AT FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Feb-2011/105243-Scan10002.JPG *********

JFountain
02-26-2011, 02:50 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Feb-2011/775222-skypine.gif

Silverlark
02-28-2011, 03:40 PM
Skyline exercise, OK to use.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Feb-2011/10034-skyline.jpg

B4painter
03-01-2011, 01:05 AM
Here's minehttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Mar-2011/68215-Graphic1.jpg
is it upside down or not?
Barb S

B4painter
03-01-2011, 07:28 PM
Here's minehttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Mar-2011/68215-Graphic1.jpg
is it upside down or not?
Barb S
Johannes can you please delete this I'm not sure what happened here but this is not what I uploaded. Thanks

Isaac M.M.
03-08-2011, 06:24 PM
my skyline:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/97351-skyline.jpg

Johannes Instructor
03-08-2011, 07:22 PM
Johannes can you please delete this I'm not sure what happened here but this is not what I uploaded. Thanks
I don't have moderator faculties to make any changes on wetcanvas.

etdavis6
03-25-2011, 10:53 PM
This homework is a little late... ;) Perhaps it's better never than so late???:confused:
Anyway, here's a "Manhattan skyline" upright, upside down, and mirror-image.