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Johannes Instructor
02-05-2011, 07:26 PM
The homework for next week is for you to post two photos. One that is the original and then in the same posting put your cropped version of it and a brief explanation on why your cropped it where you did.

Davkin
02-05-2011, 07:38 PM
Okay, I guess we should have waited for a new thread to be created and a more complete explanation of the exercise to be given. :)

Here's mine;

Original;

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/201970-lake_mary.jpg

Cropped;

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/201970-lake_mary_crop.jpg

My crop was done mostly to remove most of the foreground water and some of the sky. I think it has a good lead in but I think maybe the middle ground is too busy, yet the trees need to vary more in height since they tend to form lines. The sky could use some interest, or maybe it should be cropped out altogether?

David

Grainne
02-05-2011, 08:54 PM
Original

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/Grainne_photos/Johannes%20Webinar/Homeworkphoto1Before.jpg

My Crop, and I tried to fix with Photoshop some of the compositional problems as in the triangular shape of the mountain, the receding planes, etc.


http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/Grainne_photos/Johannes%20Webinar/HomeworkPhotoAfter2.jpg

Grainne (aka Kaye)

LynnM
02-05-2011, 11:01 PM
This is a photo from the Lake District above Ambleside. I like the sweeping view and think the background and midground are worth doing a little work in the foreground. I have cropped out excess greenery on the right and bottom of the image, partly to bring the cows into a better spot (I realize this is not the prime real estate, but I would not make them very detailed). I will create movement in the grass to give a lead in, and remove the road in the top left. There could be another crop on the right half, but the folds in the pasture are more interesting in the midground behind the cows.

Original

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/97813-Scottish-cattle.jpg

Crop

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/97813-Scottish-cattle-crop.jpg

JTMB
02-05-2011, 11:37 PM
Another excellent class today! Here is my cropping exercise. (I jumped the gun and posted this first in the previous thread before this one was open...sorry!)

The first image is one I took of a flock of Great Egrets at the mouth of the Salmon River on the Oregon coast in early morning light. Since I am a birder, this was primarily a crop to show the whole flock of birds and enough of the background to set the scene. I first tried to paint this scene as in the photo, and quickly realized I was trying to say everything in one painting, as Johannes said. (I did reduce the number of egrets.)

The second image is a crop with a 3x4 aspect ratio since I wanted to do an oil version of this on an 18x24 canvas. I tried another smaller watercolor that had some issues, and refined the composition in a thumbnail, and then came up with something I thought worked. This crop, coupled with fewer egrets, emphasized the birds more but still kept the feel of the morning light and the unique location.

The third image is where I am with a WIP of the 18 x 24 inch canvas. There's a bit more to be done on it. Overall, I like it, but there are some obvious issues that Johannes I'm sure will point out - the small peninsula where the egrets are is too triangular...that I'm going to fix. The lines defining the top of the closest two headlands in the distance are not melodic enough, though they're better than I would have made them without Johannes' classes. I'm not sure I will try to fix them on this painting because I like a lot about how the painting is coming out overall. But I'll reserve that decision until I think about it a bit more. More likely, I think I may be finally comfortable enough with this composition and the problems with it that I'll take a blank canvas and try one more time.

I took some liberties with the actual scene, though it would still be recognizable to someone familiar with the area. I also reduced the number of egrets to make them more an active part of the composition, and faced the far right egret into the painting rather than out of it.

Hopefully Johannes will have some additional helpful comments here as well.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/165640-0516-PAN-SalmonRiverDelta-Oregon-Aug,09-WS.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/165640-0516-PAN-SalmonRiverDelta-Oregon-Aug,09-CROP-WS.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/165640-103-0762-PAN-SalmonRiverEgrets-WIP4-Jan31,11-WS.jpg
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Pinklady219
02-05-2011, 11:39 PM
Sorry, I posted in the former exercise and it uploaded #156 and #157 . I cannot upload here. ???? Here is what I would do to the picture.
I would tone down the water some and perhaps use yellows, reds, pinks in the sky and water. Otherwise I am hoping this works out well.

LAyers
02-05-2011, 11:45 PM
Here is the original

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/120844-Coopers_Marsh_6.jpg

Here is my crop, however I didn't like the resulting proportions

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/120844-Coopers_Marsh_6_crop.jpg

So I stretched it, tried to adjust for the melodic line and toned down a couple of the highlights which I felt were over bright
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/120844-Coopers_Marsh_6_crop_stretched.jpg

Yay! the upload worked!

horsthh
02-06-2011, 12:23 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/95516-central-park-walker.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/95516-central-park-walker_croped1.jpg
Lower the center of interest, and get rid of the left tree and the garbage can.

caemin
02-06-2011, 12:34 AM
This is the original:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/146891-DSCF7489-1.JPG

This is the crop. I cropped in on both sides and the top to remove unnecessary and uninteresting detail and to
bring more focus to the lead in between the shrubs in the foreground and the focal points in the mid-ground.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/146891-DSCF7489.JPG

B4painter
02-06-2011, 12:34 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/68215-arizona.jpg

This was really hard, like Johannes told us in the class, most of my photos are not good enough for painting! This my picture, I would not crop it but I would move the front bush back more out of the no fly zone and make the mountains in the background come up higher or the ones in the middle ground lower

Kumquat
02-06-2011, 12:46 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/71540-SanDiegoOriginal.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/71540-SanDiegoRedesigned.jpg
As Johannes suggested:
1) I moved the red foliage toward the center and desaturated the remaining “no fly zone” so it doesn’t take your eye off the picture;
2) cropped the photo;
3) made the lead-in brick path more defined and replaced the flagstone portion with brick for cohesiveness;
4) added clouds for interest [can’t have the dead areas—must have little paintings within the paintings];
5) broke up the “mound” of greenery on the horizon, paying attention to concave and convex shapes and varying the heights of stems;
6) moved the spiky far right bush farther in and elongated its fronds, pointing them more inward toward the scene;
7) made the wave wider and taller and brought the pergola columns down farther. I debated whether to keep the palm trunk.

THANK YOU! It seems so much better already!

“I give Johannes Vloothuis the right to to publicly display these photos for comment, editing, and recording, and I waive copyright for that use.”

B4painter
02-06-2011, 12:51 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/68215-foggy_mountains.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/68215-foggy_2.jpg

First picture is original, 2nd is where I'd crop it

Kumquat
02-06-2011, 01:02 AM
Here it is, desaturated--
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/71540-SanDiegoDesaturated.jpg :cat:

artistWilder
02-06-2011, 01:08 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/90593-IMG_2477.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Feb-2011/90593-cropped.jpg

original and the cropped...of course I would eliminate the power lines, the trees in the foreground ( although I may keep them and add falls colors), and the cows. This is a scene I see very often during my travels between Calgary and Banff. I love the shapes of the melting snow and the warm reds peeking through against the cool mountains. With the snow and the grasses I can create a more interesting entry and bring in more atmosphere ( fog and cloud) to the left side of the mountains to break up that line. I also would like to intensify the reds and yellows and introduce some warms colors in the mountain highlights and some of the cools in the shadows of the snow.

BeeMcD
02-06-2011, 02:39 AM
Sorry, I tried to upload my pictures but they are not showing up. Perhaps for the newbies in the group, there should be a little instruction on how to do this.

carol_lee
02-06-2011, 03:55 AM
Sorry you are having problem uploading... on the weekends the uploader sometimes kicks in.... I always have a plan B and make use of online image sharing sites like flickr and photobucket... which by the way allow uploading larger than 800px ... don't know how computer competent you are for this option but its not that complicated

But to get back to wetcanvas here (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35)is a link to the new users forum where you will find lots of information.

Here is a link to uploading guide (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297697)

One thing is to make certain you are in advanced mode,,, only there you will find the icon for the uploader....
see imageshttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/58142-advanced.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/58142-upoader.jpg
Yeh uploader working :thumbsup: I always pamper her/him

Good luck
carol

Catherine the Great
02-06-2011, 03:55 AM
I am extremely frustrated. I have tried for the last 4 hours to upload my photos using three applications. By the way, not everyone has access to photoshop. I cropped the photos successfully in my HP photo editing program, but they were too big to upload to Wet Canvas, even though the height and width size was good. This has put a pall on the class for me. I was extremely excited and learned very much from this last class. Would anyone out there please give me some uploading lessons for dummies. I would be greatly appreciative.
Sincerely
Catherine the Great.

carol_lee
02-06-2011, 03:58 AM
I just posted some advice....here (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12983852#post12983852)

Greg Long
02-06-2011, 04:02 AM
Sorry, I tried to upload my pictures but they are not showing up. Perhaps for the newbies in the group, there should be a little instruction on how to do this.

You need at least two posts before you can upload images. This is to stop images being posted by spam accounts. Make another post, then you should be able to upload.

Blah
02-06-2011, 04:06 AM
My main area of interest is the boat and the coconut tree next to it. Therefore I have cropped out the uninteresting sky, the very busy foliage on both sides, and large areas of water in the foreground (though leaving scope for a lead-in), thus bringing the boat and the main palm to one of the prime locations.
Balaji

Dharma_bum
02-06-2011, 04:08 AM
Here are mine. Not sure what to do with the sky, crop the sky completely out and it gets dangerously close to having the picture cut in half. Adding more foreground brings in either too many weeds, or too much snow. The background hills are very close in value to the sky, so I hope that makes a value mass that will interlock with the midground trees. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. :).



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/41430-P1000605.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/41430-P1000605-2.jpg

Dan

Rosemarie
02-06-2011, 07:02 AM
:clap: I learned a lot last night (the class is 9 - 11 PM in Sweden)
I am having a hard time finding photos to crop. They either are cropped in the camera or the are just touristy and not worth bothering with. This is a photo from Austria. The cropping accentuate the invitation into the image.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/2623-Ischgl_2004_nr104.jpg
Cropped version
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4518/ischgl2004nr104crop.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/ischgl2004nr104crop.jpg/)

Brenda Y
02-06-2011, 09:50 AM
Here is my original photo
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/83537-mokelumneriver1.jpg

And here is the crop
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/83537-mokelumneriver1crop.jpg

beejane
02-06-2011, 10:41 AM
Original photo:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/99014-snow_february_2011_035.JPG


And the cropped version: I lowered some of the snow pile to allow some rummaging around in the garage, and added a bit more greenery on the left. The two roof lines kiss and would have to be changed. I think the door is still too centred, but can't figure out how to make it better.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/99014-cropped_yellow_house.JPG

Judibelle
02-06-2011, 10:44 AM
Here is my original:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/103700-scan0005.jpg_barnum_barn_large.jpg

and the cropped version;
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/103700-scan0005.jpg_barnum_barn_cropped.jpg
I give pernission for this to be used in Johannes's class.

raxu
02-06-2011, 11:32 AM
Hi

here my challenge - Johannes, I give you the permission to use this in your class

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/171274-m_40_joulu.jpg

and the cropped one ( I wonder if I should have left the broken tree trunk there, in the cropped version?)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/171274-m_40_joulu_rajattu_2.jpg

The picture is taken at Christmas, at noon, in the Finnish Lapland, north to the arctic circle. As the sun does not rise at all that time, it only reflects to the clouds creating a magical atmosphere.
The question is: how do you paint a scene like this so it would not look "kitchy" :confused:

robertsloan2
02-06-2011, 11:43 AM
Yesterday I spent a long time playing with this photo. I chose this one because it has more planes in it than the other one I posted last week.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/70184-Class-MtPetitJeanCliffs-robertsloan2.jpg

It drove me nuts! It was almost impossible to crop. I finally got a crop that's about like the original photo for potential, but I will still need to move the rock at the bottom, enlarge the cliffs area and move things around to get a good composition.

If only I'd gotten this class before I went on the trip to Mt. Petit Jean - but this is the best photo I have of a scene that means a lot to me and I have one thing going for me on the painting. I was there. I remember it. I know how it'd look if I stepped to the side or dropped to my knees.

I'll do a lot better than this crop when we get to thumbnailing - they're about equal.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/70184-Class-MtPetitJeanCliffs-robertsloan2-Crop3.jpg

I prefer the whole photo to my crop, just posted the best crop I could get. At least I was able to get one as good as the photo as a whole. I don't like the vertical format as well though and it shares the same problems as the photo as a whole.

Everything I need is there in the full photo, it just needs new stage directions. The only thing I'd need to add is more of the rock in the foreground to create a place to stand. I'm good at drawing rocks so sketching in more rock at the thumbnail stage wouldn't be hard, neither would moving it.

I also want the middle ground cliffs larger, maybe quite a lot larger to go off the top of the painting and shoved off to the right so the bright rocks area is my focal area in the "Five Star Hotel" rule of three patch.

The rock I was standing on (foreground rock) stacks with the cliffs. So it needs to move to the left creating a nice zigzag pointing toward the cliff, perhaps widen a little too but angle it toward the cliff to direct the eye.

I also need to punch a visual path through the foreground greenery and take a weed whacker to it to show more of the middle ground cliffs.

My attempts at cropping did help me plan the painting - and see how next summer I could take a much better photo of the same area without any need for a crop. All I needed to do was move a little to the left and sit down! I had no idea!

AZSandy
02-06-2011, 11:59 AM
This is the original photo:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/338901-PSutton.jpg

Here is the cropped photo:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/338901-PSuttoncropped.jpg
My thinking here is the strong color of the water leads the eye toward the mountains, and the landscape has enough color and contrasting texture to be interesting. The things I would definitely change are to 1) break up the horizontal line where the green foliage line meets the mountain, 2) lighten up the foreground bank a bit (dead, dark zone), and 3) add a few clouds (with slight NW - SE orientation) to the upper lefthand corner to balance the composition and point the eyes back into the landscape.

callady
02-06-2011, 12:00 PM
First off I have to learn to crop so mine are not cropped although with the yellow flowers I would cut off part of them at the bottom. The other one I would crop out the 3rd artist on the right. Hoping my pics. came thru....it seemed like it stalled.


I'm learning sooooo much! Thank you.

callady
02-06-2011, 12:08 PM
I'm going to try this one again and hope it goes thru. I haven't learned to crop yet but would cut off part of the bottom flowers. Could you give some basic instructions on cropping and how to do it?

callady
02-06-2011, 12:23 PM
third time might be the charm to get this photo loaded!

SouthWestArtist
02-06-2011, 12:53 PM
This is the original. A scene in New Mexico.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/76372-IMG_1626-72.jpg

Then there is the crop.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/76372-IMG_1626-crop.jpg

I would lighten the value of the mountains that sit in front of the far distant light blue mountains, take out the pole that is in the center right, and add a lot of sunlight to that outcropping and all the trees.

flowergirl
02-06-2011, 12:55 PM
OK, wasn't sure where to post our homework. Below is a scene of Mt. Monadnock in NH viewed from a marsh area. After yesterday's class I now realized that ol' Monadnock is not melodic! So I changed its profile. I also cropped the photo slightly and thenextended the marsh waters to lead into the photo. Does this now work enough to be painting-worthy?

Thanks for your wonderful class; I've learned so much already!
Sharon in Vermont
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/59895-NH_Marsh_orig._resized.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/59895-NH_marsh_edited.jpg

Cynthia428
02-06-2011, 01:08 PM
Yesterday they said you have to submit 2 comments before you can post. This is my comment 1. :wave:

Cynthia428
02-06-2011, 01:09 PM
comment 2

spirothet
02-06-2011, 01:12 PM
I selected four photos. Thanks, Cali

jantz
02-06-2011, 01:14 PM
Rocky Mountain Park uncropped

jantz
02-06-2011, 01:17 PM
mountains,rocks,stream cropped

artastic
02-06-2011, 01:22 PM
I really liked the reflections, but the sky is dead and there is so much information
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/104250-Eiffel8.jpg
the crop, still busy, but I put in a better sky, would clean up under the arch and not include the tall building inside the arch, make the skyline more variegated, the fountain jets are quite heavy on the left, but would like to leave some of them in , cause they point at the tower, don't have to include the whole tower, as everyone knows what it is, the reflections were what caught my eye

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/104250-eiffelnew.jpg

IrmaH322
02-06-2011, 01:22 PM
I give permission to Johannes Vloothuis to use these photos in his class.
This is a study I am working on. I used Photoshop Elements (first time) to unclutter the scene. I didn't do a good job showing the values, find it very difficult with the mouse. I have 3 planes: foreground will be mid value; middle ground will be mid dark with mid value and background will be light mid (hill and sky).The cypress show too dark but I will give them a 6. I think I overworked the photo with PSE. Thank you Johannes.
Sorry it is not downloading

SouthWestArtist
02-06-2011, 01:31 PM
I experienced difficulty in 'loading'. I found that I could go in and edit my post and place the photos in that way. It worked much easier the second time around. :wink2:

Cynthia428
02-06-2011, 01:31 PM
Original Zion Park Storm
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/229110-ZionStorm_Ref_Photo.jpg

My cropped image

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/229110-ZionStorm.jpg
I cropped to eliminate some of the dark cloud and less than interesting foreground. In a final design I'd change the foreground a bit to make it less busy . I might crop a bit more from the RH side.
Cynthia in Kanab UT

nvcricket
02-06-2011, 01:55 PM
Here is my homework for week three. Washoe Valley, Nv looking north toward Reno. Uncropped, and cropped. In cropped I would scoot the clouds over to place interest in sky area, I would also carve a more "melodic" line through the sage.

C&C welcome

Carol

Ps, did'nt realize how close to my avatar this pic is :lol: I guess I am a sucker for the lonesome pine struggling to get a foothold on the mountain.
PPS....This area had been stripped of all timber for miles to supply wood for the Virginia City Mining lode.

gwatford
02-06-2011, 01:57 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/223570-Signal_Mountain_Wy.jpg



I cropped out most of the sky and used the shore line to bring you into the view of the sunlight hitting the mountains. I beleive the bay area is still too busy with the dock leading your eye out of the painting and wonder if it should it should be left out, shortened or changed. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/223570-Cropped_Signal_Mountain_WY.jpg

sundiver
02-06-2011, 02:14 PM
This message from Yorky about uploader problems (hope it helps!):

There is a workaround for the no click bug: [sometimes doesn't work either but give it a try}

There's an absolute maze of configurations out there different systems PC>Mac, different browsers - you name them - and the ill fated AOL browser. Many things can stop the uploader working, and the suggestions I made are ones which have worked for other members.

If a member has previously been able to upload and suddenly can't then patently something has changed at their end.

When someone reports a problem it would be very useful if they would give details of their setup and how far they got with the uploading process. Did they for example upload their picture but were unable to click it to insert the code?

The problems some members are having and the error messages generated have been reported many times to the powers that be.


UPLOADER WORKAROUND
If you upload and get an image returned but can't click on it, you can copy the picture url post it in your thread and add ...[/IMG} tags either side:

[IMG]http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jan-2009/1046-Uploaderworkaround.jpg

e.g [IMG]http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jan-2009/1046-Fallcolours6177.jpg[/IMG (add a ] closing bracket)

This puts the picture into your post.

Doug

DeboraM
02-06-2011, 03:11 PM
First is original and second is cropped, but not sure if I should have gone to the left a bit.

Yabut
02-06-2011, 03:19 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/52194-L3H1_OriginalR.jpg

I eliminated the unnecessary and came up with

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/52194-L3H1_CroppedR.jpg

I'll deal with the remaining triangle while painting.

Yabut

winecountry
02-06-2011, 06:38 PM
interesting to see all these here's mine Bodega Head California
photo

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/103030-bodega_head__2954.jpg

crop I psed a few things and added a wave
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/103030-bodega_head__crop_2954.jpg

pat-trew
02-06-2011, 07:15 PM
I HAVE 2 PHOTOS OF THIS BOAT CANAL, THE OTHER ONE IS THE OTHER DIRECTION, THE ONE SHOWN I WANT TO INCLUDE 2 CANOES ON THE BANK OF THE CANAL FOREGROUND AREA. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/105243-DSCN0435.JPG

pat-trew
02-06-2011, 07:20 PM
The Canoe To The Right Will Be Omitted, And There Are Some Pond Flowers I Would Like To Insert Near The Canoes.

pat-trew
02-06-2011, 07:26 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/105243-DSCN0436.JPG

hewill4giveu
02-06-2011, 07:47 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/184319-aspen125.jpg

This is the original

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/184319-aspen_cropped_final.jpg
Im taking out the road and making more brush that will have more of a s shape intro to the pic. I also took the tree to the right as it placed the tip of the mountain right in the middle of the picture. Tried to move it to the 1/3 (i hope thats it )portion of the pic

Catherine the Great
02-06-2011, 07:48 PM
I hope these get posted. It will make a very successful end to a weekend full of highs (the class) and lows, not being able to upload easily. I have included two cropped photos, as I would probably be doing both paintings. I am a relatively new artist, yes I call myself an artest, even though I do not do it professionally. I am trying to learn how to do it well and these classes will most definitely help me. I will await with baited breath the cd's of the ones I have to miss due to working. If anyone knows of anybody out in Winnipeg who would like to get together to just paint let me know. I am looking just for that, for the moment. A time to be with someone while I paint and shoot the breeze.
Thanks again Johannes for your diligence in making sure we learn how to paint well.:wave:

Catherine the Great
02-06-2011, 07:54 PM
Hi Its me again: The second photo did not come out very well. I want to make the logs in the water the focus of the painting so I would crop out the top with the sky in it, or make the mountains smaller. In the first one I wanted to focus on the mountains, so I cropped off most of the water. I may fiddle around with it further. This is of Moraine Lake at the part where the easy hike ends.

winecountry
02-06-2011, 08:21 PM
I'd like to do this one Johannes, but await your words as I'm not sure it's workable...I'd change the path as noted in the crop version, and make the sky the star of the show.. no people planned

.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/103030-bodgea_head_2930.jpg

crop
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/103030-bodega_head_crop_2930.jpg

qeenbee
02-06-2011, 08:24 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/120613-storm_sky_bak.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/120613-storm_sky.jpg

these are my cropped images. they may be used in class

Valerieart
02-06-2011, 08:33 PM
I thought I did this already, I actually uploaded the wrong uncropped photo.
I hope it is not too monochromatic. Here is the orriginal photohttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/305931-treeswithpogonip_250.JPG

Valerieart
02-06-2011, 08:35 PM
Here is the cropped image. I like the planes of the hills and the river coming in and around. Darn photo would not upoad/ Neither the image opener nor the manage attatchments will work? Where can I post my cropped image?
Can I delete my original and start again?

B4painter
02-06-2011, 08:41 PM
Sorry you are having problem uploading... on the weekends the uploader sometimes kicks in.... I always have a plan B and make use of online image sharing sites like flickr and photobucket... which by the way allow uploading larger than 800px ... don't know how computer competent you are for this option but its not that complicated

But to get back to wetcanvas here (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35)is a link to the new users forum where you will find lots of information.

Here is a link to uploading guide (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297697)

One thing is to make certain you are in advanced mode,,, only there you will find the icon for the uploader....
see imageshttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/58142-advanced.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/58142-upoader.jpg
Yeh uploader working :thumbsup: I always pamper her/him

Good luck
carol

For anyone who can not get your photos to upload please be aware that you may need to get a converter from the internet to make them smaller. I got mine from freeimageconverter.com and it converts photos to 800x600
and 70 DPI. Then I saved it to my desktop and deleted it when I was done uploading it. Hope this helps.

Valerieart
02-06-2011, 09:36 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/305931-waimeacrop.jpgCropped photo Wiamea Canyon

denise f. brown
02-06-2011, 09:47 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/121997-MVC-002F.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/121997-DeniseBrownOcean.jpg
Normally I would not crop out the buildings, but for the class assignment it made sense...Plus I added a lead in.

Dharma_bum
02-06-2011, 10:29 PM
Is the large rock enough to counteract the horizontal line of the river bank to keep the eye from exiting the picture? Would it be better if moved a bit to the right, but still out of the no fly zone? Would it be more effective if enlarged a little?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/41430-File0106-1.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/41430-File0106-2.jpg

Jean50
02-06-2011, 11:25 PM
Yes, I agree, Bonny, I am new a this also. I am so unsure of myself. But so enjoy the classes. Jean

raxu
02-07-2011, 03:16 AM
Hi,

am not sure if we are allowed to post twice. Yet I noticed my earlier photo has only a foreground and a background, not enough planes. Looks flat to me, even it is an interesting scene. So I would not paint it.

Rather this one
originalhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2011/171274-m_levi.jpg

and slightly cropped

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2011/171274-m_levi_rajattu.jpg

I like the lead-in created my snowmobiles and skis. The fell/fjell line might be boring but I need to keep it rounded, as these fells/fjells are typical for Finnish Lapland (mountains over the alpine tree line, in Scandinavia rounded by the former ice age - see also www.tunturi-lappi.fi for more info)

I would add white to the snow in foreground and on the snow-covered tree right. That would not be real - this scene is from the christmas time when the sun does not rise above the horizon, only reflects light to the clouds. The photo was taken about 2 pm. But adding white would create more depth, I think.

I'm not sure if I would leave the electrical lights there...

Johannes you may use this photo in your class if you wish

frosty greetings

carol_lee
02-07-2011, 04:07 AM
I like scene that tell a story... Here is a shot of a woman feeding the pigeons on the boardwalk... Tel Aviv Beach....
I cropped to put more emphasis on the figure and pigeons.. moved the beach toy and changed its direction... don't like the stone much so don't really know how to treat that mass... could made lead in through the pigeons...
original shot

659102

cropped

659112

spirothet
02-07-2011, 11:03 AM
I selected four photos. Thanks, Cali
I wasn't able to attend yesterday's webinar due prior commitment. I was hoping that I could get some feedback on photos I submitted. I really get what you are saying but still need confirmation that I am getting it. My photos are thread # 36. Thanks. I also noticed in someone's comments that we had to submit two comments to get any feedback. Is this true? I am still having problems navigating through this website and what thread to follow.

Colorix
02-07-2011, 12:10 PM
Cali, and everybody,

Johannes will comment on the photos, and he may do it next weekend. (He may do it here during the week, but don't be surprised if you have to wait until the webinar.)

To reduce spamming, WetCanvas has a rule of every new member having to make two text-only posts before being able to upload photos. Those posts can be nice comments in any thread anywhere on WC.

If the uploader doesn't work, the attachment might.

WC has a good solid FAQ section, with answers to most questions about how the site works. The New User Forum (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=35) has 'stickied' threads at the top, loaded with useful information.

While people here are very nice and usually help you out, it is a good idea to look through the available information before asking for help. (After all, everybody asks the same questions, so when there are 600 new people...)

In this partner forum, WetCanvas Live, the titles of the threads indicate where info is found. For example, Robert's wonderful notes are found in the thread named "Robert's Class Notes", which is stickied at the top.

To find Partner: WetCanvas Live, look at the Forum Jump (scroll down to the drop down menu), click on the relevant forum, then click on the button 'Go'.

You can also find it through the Landscape forum. How to find forums and navigate forums is found in FAQ and New User forum (see link above).

Ruthie57
02-07-2011, 03:06 PM
This was taken by me in the Lake District, England. I would leave out the large protruding rock at the rh side and make the "spurs" going into the lake more melodic.

I cropped it like this to take out the excess of sky and green. I think the shoreline makes a good lead in, even though it's on the right. The road from the left can make a secondary lead in.

Original
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2011/189061-wastwater.jpg

Crop
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2011/189061-Wastwater_crop.jpg

maxdawn
02-07-2011, 04:48 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2011/12193-possible.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2011/12193-maybe.jpg

ok hope I got this right this time

hayday77
02-07-2011, 05:42 PM
So this is a repeat from the other thread.
I cropped my original to a 12 x 12 format. Something I wanted to try for a change and i thought it would focus on the water. I took out some offending items - foreground tree and rocks, middle trees and lightened the background. The first photo is the cropped version.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2011/136427-Kingston_Stream_web_crop.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2011/136427-Kingston_Creek_web.jpg

valh
02-07-2011, 05:55 PM
This picture of 'sunny fog' was taken in southern Alberta......a chance glance in the passenger side mirror, and it was a 'stop the car!!' kind of pic. :-) The moment didn't last long.....
I cropped out the sky, thinking it's not needed. Am 2nd guessing myself now......'cause there is no background, only fore/mid ground. Hmmmmmm. I also removed a good portion of foreground.



659452

659462

Yay me! I finally got the pictures to load using the attachment feature. Whew!

Holly B.
02-07-2011, 08:34 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2011/217673-CpvlOrig.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2011/217673-CpvlCropped.JPG

Learning as I go...here's the before crop and after crop. :wave:

nvcricket
02-07-2011, 11:03 PM
I just can't resist, I have another photo I played around with, and really like the result.... fun homework! Thanks Johannes!!!
6 mile canyon, Virginia City Nevada

brookstream
02-07-2011, 11:36 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2011/315801-0206011324.jpg

Cropped:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Feb-2011/315801-0206011324b.jpg


I don't think I would paint the limbs coming in at the top in the very front foreground. I would leave those out and use the trees on the left bank as my stronger values and those on the right bank as my lesser values with those in the back of the picture at even lesser values.

H2Opaint
02-08-2011, 11:49 AM
-My cropped and altered photo..
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/88685-GSMNP_creek_4.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/88685-GSMNP_creek_crop2.jpg


I want to take some of the 'sparkle' out and darken the mass on the bottom left area.








“I give Johannes Vloothuis the right to to publicly display these photos for comment, editing, and recording, and I waive copyright for that use.”

kloklm
02-08-2011, 02:41 PM
Ok, jumping in to try posting some photos. Here is the first photo, uncropped:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/36568-waterlilies.jpg

and here is the cropped version:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/36568-waterlilies-cropped.jpg

Keeping my fingers crossed that this works :)

kloklm
02-08-2011, 02:46 PM
Wow! Worked first time! I also meant to say the photo of water lilies and this new photo may be used in class.

Here is the second photo, uncropped:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/36568-ocean-fence.jpg

And a cropped image...I would take the fence out of this image, and punch up the impact of the sky, too:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/36568-ocean-fence-cropped-2.jpg

Misty Mountain
02-08-2011, 03:41 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/54780-West_Coast_trail.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/54780-West_Coast_trail.jpg
Thanks for sharing your talents with us.

Joycemc

Misty Mountain
02-08-2011, 03:53 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/54780-West_Coast_trail.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/54780-West_Coast_trail.jpg
Thanks for sharing your talents with us.

Joycemc
The cropped photo did not come through I would have cropped the sky and broght the left hand side into the large rock.

mlgk
02-08-2011, 04:27 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/161785-Pickwick-original.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/161785-Pickwick-cropped-jpg
This photo has fore ,middle and distant ground. I used photoshop elements to crop and take out unwanted areas. I am not very good at this but maybe you get the idea. The water is a lead in. The background hills could be made more melodic. I have found that I have very few photos that meet Johannes criteria.

ipimentel
02-08-2011, 05:02 PM
I have spent hours looking at photos that I've taken over the years...I've tried to adhere to the principals suggested in this class when choosing this first picture to post.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/69426-DSCN4340.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/69426-DSCN4340_edited-1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/69426-DSCN4340_edited-1bw_edited-1.jpg

Now, with that said, I have a bit of a dilemma… I found a photo that on the surface seems boring, very flat, has a horizontal line crossing the whole landscape, and even has focused stuff in the no fly zone! In fact, I remember taking this picture from the window of a moving car. Yet I am totally intrigued by the photo and WANT to paint it. :eek: And I don't think cropping will help!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/69426-IMG_3594edit1resized.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/69426-IMG_3594bwresized.jpg

surob
02-08-2011, 08:03 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/100874-****ogate.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/100874-Shintoshrinecrop.jpg

I brought the lead in down by cropping the bottom of the photo. I would probably adjust the third tier of the gate so it did not match up with the mountains in the background. I might also lower the sky a little bit.

If you need permission to use these photos please feel free to do so.

Nansketch
02-08-2011, 08:26 PM
Like others, I realize how limited most of my photos are. Already have learned so much about what to look for when taking the pic --

This is a photo that I took in South Dakota -- I haven't cropped very much, trying to keep the stream -- perhaps take out more sky

Nancy

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/141858-sd_stream.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/141858-sd_stream_crop.jpg

Stephanie_Draws
02-08-2011, 09:49 PM
I took these photos and give Johannes Vloothuis the right to to publicly display them for comment, editing, and recording, and I waive copyright for that use.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/765572-Jo_IMG_0404.JPG

cropped:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/765572-Jo_IMG_0404_cropped.JPG
The crop should emphasize the lead in via the tracks and reduce unnecessary clutter, sky and foreground. I want to keep the warm afternoon light and sky, the snowy plateau with the winding tracks toward the farm, the farm itself and a few - non-cloned hopefully :wink2: - trees surrounding it.

jmcedeno
02-08-2011, 10:09 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/159973-02-08-2011-12-15-01-968.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/159973-02-08-2011-12-15-01-968-copy.jpg
First photo is the original, the second one is the cropped image. I would remove the table in foreground, the figures in mid-ground, and the Palm Trees on the right edge, also I would move the bush on the right corner toward the left a bit so it would be out of the "No Fly Zone".

Stephanie_Draws
02-08-2011, 10:09 PM
Original: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/765572-Jo_autumn_kotten.JPG

Cropped: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/765572-Jo_autumn_kotten_cropped+lead_in.JPG

I cut the yellow fall tree - though it hurt to do so! - in order to reduce sky and background foliage as well as the earthy field surrounding half the ground in the foreground.
Instead I photoshopped a path from the door as a lead in: it's fairly right-centered, but imo the only logical path possible needed to go between the two smaller trees in front of the farmhouse (rather than weirdly alongside the house and through the fence posts). Thoughts, Johannes?
I think I should keep the two small trees but give their foliage a contrasting colour to the big yellow one. I'd scrap the strip of grey-beige field between house and right side in the bottom 1/6.

I give Johannes Vloothuis the right to to publicly display these photos for comment, editing, and recording, and I waive copyright for that use.

Stephie4_ever
02-08-2011, 11:53 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/183525-IMG_0264_resized_only.jpg
This is my original photo. Next is the cropped version. I would leave out the tree in the centre left foreground would be omitted as it blocks entirely the lead in provided by the river. I am not sure whether the 'no fly zone' rule has been broken by the prescence of the trees and stone fence on the left, but the stone fence does assist the eye into going further into the depth of the painting but it could be artistically adjusted to begin further into the picture and it's line could be more melodic. The houses on the other hand, on the right side of the picture may break the rule entirely re no fly zone but their detail could be faded out but the 2/3 - 1/3 rule was followed. Unfortunately there is a gap that requires cropping on the top right...the light bright sky where one's eye is directed to and yet it is pivotal player for the reflection in the river. I welcome C&C on this one. I find I have very few pictures to choose from now that I have become aware of what makes a better photograph! ty for these very interesting and informative classes !! http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/183525-cropped-crop.JPG

Colorix
02-09-2011, 04:39 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/54780-West_Coast_trail.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Feb-2011/54780-West_Coast_trail.jpg
Thanks for sharing your talents with us.

Joycemc

Does the cropped and uncropped versions have the same file-names? If so, change one, and both will show. The same file-name will always show only one of them.

Stephanie_Draws
02-09-2011, 08:27 AM
The crop should emphasize the lead in via the tracks and reduce unnecessary clutter, sky and foreground. I want to keep the warm afternoon light and sky, the snowy plateau with the winding tracks toward the farm, the farm itself and a few - non-cloned hopefully :wink2: - trees surrounding it.

Also, I'd push the background higher so it doesn't concur with the middleground and make that line more melodic.
Converting the photo to greyscale showed me I have to make the values of the farm buildings more dramatic (the reddish brown of the bricks are the darkest parts in the picture which I believe fits with my memory of the afternoon) and greatly reduce trees and bushes in front of them to avoid hiding/crushing the farm.

Jerry Bridgers
02-09-2011, 09:09 AM
I didn't see this thread when I first posted these images. I will post them here.

Johannes has permission to use or display these photographs. (Is this necessary?)

The master image is of two waterfalls. It is a combination of water and ice.

I would have 4 crops of the photo.

I have used two of the crops for paintings. I admit that most of my paintings have only a passing resemblance to the reference photo. Beside the cropping, there would be a lot of detail change, removal of limbs, breaking up the water to avoid parallel water lines.

Original:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/74643-_0.jpg

Crop #1 The left waterfall

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/74643-_1.jpg



Crop #2 Right waterfall.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/74643-_2.jpg


Crop # 3 I have not done this yet but I am interested in the water motion and the static ice buildup.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/74643-_3.jpg

Crop #4 Both waterfalls cropped

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/74643-_4.jpg


Thank you

Jerry Bridgers

surob
02-09-2011, 12:31 PM
Sorry I have to do this again. They first time the original did not show up.

Original
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/100874-IMG_0988.JPG

Crop
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/100874-Shintoshrinecrop.jpg

I brought the lead in down by cropping the bottom of the photo. I would probably adjust the third tier of the gate so it did not match up with the mountains in the background. I might also lower the sky a little bit and take out some of the people

If you need permission to use these photos please feel free to do so.

sue burke
02-09-2011, 02:33 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/4226-lake_mokoma_012.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/4226-lake_mokoma.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/4226-lake_mokoma_3.jpg


This photo is from RIL. I cropped the bottom of photo because I thought the waterlilies there were too much and it made a better lead in. I cropped a little from the side so that the bridge would not be quite so centered. I would also raise the background trees a bit so that the bridge doesn't hit the shoreline and I would change the background trees so that they're not a straight line. I was wondering if I should add a few waterplants to the right side where the water goes out of the photo. As I was rereading this, I thought of another way it could be cropped--ergo my third photo

arp8nter
02-09-2011, 04:32 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/09-Feb-2011/79422-20110204_0058-small.JPG


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/79422-Copy_of_20110204_0059-small.JPG

I would be sure the road curves around to the house making the edges melodic as I painted. I would cover the brown triangle in the lower left corner with snow. I might also take out some of the trees on the right.

Thanks Johannes and Artists Magazine for this wonderful class!

DonaldRae
02-09-2011, 04:39 PM
660752

660762

this is my wife photo, cropped sailboat railing,sky, sea to the right side.

DonaldRae
02-09-2011, 04:51 PM
660782

660792

If anything I'm learning how to upload more than one picture as attachments
cropped foreground and sides to remove tree to left and surplus swamp grass.

russellh9
02-09-2011, 08:21 PM
I want to thank Johannes for a wonderful class. It's amazing how much you overlook when composing a scene and painting it. Here's a before and after crop from the same photo I took in Vermont.

I cropped the photo to eliminate the viewers eyes from wandering out of the picture on the left. I also wanted to bring up the barn larger with the path leading into it and make it the main focus of the photo.


Russ

patsbeads
02-10-2011, 12:51 AM
Here is my original http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/10245-july-2010_100-resize.jpg
Here is my cropped version which I have also edited in photoshop to remove the newer buildings in the background and tried to give it an older appearance. I added some of the yellow grasses to help to provide a lead in.I am not sure if I will leave the back building in. I think it will cause confusion. Maybe pushing it back and adding some space between the buildings will help. I do wonder if the barn it too centered in the photo to be a good comp.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2011/10245-july-2010-100crop.jpg
I waive copyright and give permission to use for Johannes webinar classes.
Thanks,
Pat

flowergirl
02-10-2011, 04:49 PM
This is a view to Mtn Monadnock in NH. I cropped the photo then made the mountain more "melodic". I extended the water to lead in to the mid and background. The trees in midground should be lowered in value.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/59895-NH_Marsh_orig._resized.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/59895-NH_marsh_edited.jpg

flowergirl
02-10-2011, 04:53 PM
This is a view of Lake Champlain in Vermont looking toward NY's Adinrondack Mountains. I cropped the photo then edited the mountains. The trees and beach should be lowered in value.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/59895-Lake_Champlain.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/59895-Lake_Champlain_cropped.jpg

Kat5
02-10-2011, 04:53 PM
Ok Here is the Original pic:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/788072-Fall_Colours_001.jpg
And here are a couple of cropped versions:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/788072-Fall_ColoursK.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/788072-Fall_ColoursW.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/788072-Fall_ColoursY.jpg
Comments/critique wecome.
Lee

flowergirl
02-10-2011, 04:55 PM
This is a view of a valley in Snowdonia in Waleshttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/59895-Snowdonia_Wales.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/59895-Snowdonia_Wales_valley.jpg

flowergirl
02-10-2011, 04:59 PM
Here is a view of Red Bay and Mull in Scotland from the Island of Iona. Don't tell my husband he got cropped! Made mountains more melodic, took out some fence posts and added a couple of crooked one. Took out rock near shore (thought it was distracting). Not sure about bush in lower right corner - stay or go??
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/59895-Red_Bay_Iona_Scotland.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/59895-Red_Bay,_Iona_Scotland_cropped.jpg

ladyB
02-10-2011, 05:14 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/177762-100_0048__resized.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Feb-2011/177762-100_0048_cropped_resized.JPG

On the cropped photo I marked how I would rearrange the picture to have
a place to enter and also have a background with the mountain drawn in.

LadyB

Permission for anyone to use this photo. I hope the picture appears when I
submit this, because as of now just the writing is on this page.

maxdawn
02-10-2011, 09:04 PM
Would you keep all the trees in or change that a bit?:wave:

kittierue
02-11-2011, 12:06 AM
Hard to decide. I might put the tall pines on the left to balance the tall mountain ridge. I can hear the tympani and the cymbals crashing in my mountain line!

Original:
661472

Crop 1:
661482

Crop2:
661492


Floating the Missouri in Montana:
661502

The crop:
661512

elisamaria
02-11-2011, 09:03 AM
Original
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/735472-P1030324.JPG

cropped
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/735472-P1030324_cropped_.jpg

Sunrise in the Finnish archipelago, taken by me Sept 2010.

I grant Johannes Vloothuis the right to use this photo to publicly display for comment, editing and recording that I waive all the copyrights.

Elisabeth

kittierue
02-11-2011, 11:19 AM
Sorry, I didn't follow the directions very well! I'll try again here.
This is the original capture.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/222668-_GNP1404-src.jpg

On this cropped version, I've added some trees to the lower left to give some interest, help maintain the melodic line (I hope) and a more defined starting point into the image. I've stretched the mountains to give them more drama and to add a sense of scale to the image.
I outlined a proposed line that I'd like to use to direct attention into the image, and the trees that are on the right and catching the sunlight will be my center of interest.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/222668-_GNP1404-4.jpg

surob
02-11-2011, 11:20 AM
Original
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/100874-DSC01436.jpg

Crop
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/100874-DSC01436_-_Version_3.jpg

I cropped off of the bottom to better define the lead in and get rid of some of the water. Also wanted to take the knob off the bottom of the tree

I give permission and waive copyright for these photos to be used in class.

SalzburgBJ
02-11-2011, 11:33 AM
Like so many others here, I went through hundreds of archived photos in search of worthy candidates for this exercise.

Here are a couple that (I thought) made the grade. They are my own photos, so I hereby give my permission to use these images for instruction purposes.

The first series is taken along one of my favorite walking routes near my home in Salzburg, Austria.

In my opinion, the "A" version should lose the dark line across the bottom (& of course the "severed heads") in any potential painting.

The C version tells a bit more of a story, but the walkers are heading out of the painting and the dark foliage line presents a visual barrier, IMO, so modifications are in order there, too.

My personal cropped version of the orig photo is B, which tells a better visual story, in my opinion – again, sans dark foliage line. I think I'd turn it into a brook heading toward the mtns ...

I hope these pix show up -- they don't appear with the preview function, tho' the WetCanvas shows the files as having been uploaded. But I'll give it a shot anyway.
Comments?
Thanks! Beth

SalzburgBJ
02-11-2011, 11:46 AM
This is frustrating... I've "successfully" uploaded these pix 6 ways to Sunday, yet they still don't show up....
Sorry for the "big build-up" & explanations of ---- nuthin!

ladyB
02-11-2011, 11:53 AM
Max: In answer to your question,I think the amount of trees left in would be
determined by the size of the canvas I was using. I'm not sure if that is the
way to determine it but that's what I think. Interesting what Johannes would
say about that.
LadyB

jayess
02-11-2011, 12:59 PM
HI! I am new to water colour painting. This webinar has been so informative and an eye-opener. I am so glad i signed on for this!
Here is the original photo:


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/775322-IMG_1853.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/775322-IMG_1854.JPG
the cropped one.
tried to remove the distraction from the foreground to focus on the mountains and the cabin. hope this works.

MKH
02-11-2011, 01:45 PM
Original
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/17160-Un-Cropped.jpg
Cropped
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/17160-Cropped.jpg

A scene from Peggy's Cove, Nova Scotia, Canada.

Cropped off the extra sky, the uninteresting foreground and some of the buildings on the right.

The focal spot is the red boat. I will simplify by eliminating the white house on the hill, the lamp post and a few of the boats. Also the two rocky outcrops on the left will be combined in to one mass. Will widen the water path in the foreground and will fade the green hill in fog and unsaturate its hue to violet for distance.

palongwell
02-11-2011, 02:07 PM
This was taken in London across from Buckingham Palace. It was raining intermittently.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/760902-London_Original.jpg

In the cropped version, the lines (trees & bushes) on both sides of the water may need some revision to be more melodic.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/760902-London_Cropped.jpg

You may use this photo in class Johannes.

Colorix
02-11-2011, 03:11 PM
This is frustrating... I've "successfully" uploaded these pix 6 ways to Sunday, yet they still don't show up....
Sorry for the "big build-up" & explanations of ---- nuthin!

Try this link to an explanation (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=886612) on how to get around the system when it misbehaves.

Misty Mountain
02-11-2011, 03:11 PM
Does the cropped and uncropped versions have the same file-names? If so, change one, and both will show. The same file-name will always show only one of them.
Thanks for the help

Colorix
02-11-2011, 03:20 PM
So many beautiful photos, and clever crops!

I give Johannes permission to use the below photos for educational purposes in the WetCanvasLive class, including the webinar and recording.

Original:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/117343-J-Hkanal-orig24.jpg

The original has burned out lights, so sky and far water needed to be taken from another photo of the same location 5 minutes later. (Good reason for keeping some shots even if they're not painting material -- they can give missing info.)

The Crop:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/117343-J-Hkanal-fixed.jpg

Changed some things in PSE, straightened, and cropped lightly, as the original photo was already composed when shooting. The reeds need some thought, possibly to be taken out entirely, or just get thinned out considerably.

Mary Brigid
02-11-2011, 03:47 PM
This is the original photo and my altered version. I will also alter the hills by a variety of different hights of the trees. And perhaps make it a more atmospheric scene. I shall also remove the outhouse at the side of the Norman tower. Loving all the fabulous photos on here.

PMFooks
02-11-2011, 07:30 PM
These are some really terrific photos. Makes me want to see the finished paintings.

PMFooks
02-11-2011, 07:32 PM
Should I eliminate a huge sky and huge water if I think that they are part of the mood I am trying to convey?

PMFooks
02-11-2011, 07:33 PM
Oregon Coast Lone Ranch Beach original is first http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/258321-Lone_Ranch_Beach.JPG
followed by my cropped version - also lightened it up a bit to show the foreground rocks better.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/258321-Lone_Ranch_Beach_cropped_and_lightened.jpg

SalzburgBJ
02-11-2011, 08:30 PM
:clap:Like so many others here, I went through hundreds of archived photos in search of worthy candidates for this exercise.

Here are a couple that (I thought) made the grade. They are my own photos, so I hereby give Johannes my permission to use these images for his instruction purposes.

The first series is taken along one of my favorite walking routes near my home in Salzburg, Austria.

In my opinion, the first version should lose the dark line across the bottom (& of course the "severed heads") in any potential painting. I would have cropped it out, but then the trees would have no "rooting".

The next version tells a bit more of a story, but the walkers are heading out of the painting and the dark foliage line still presents a visual barrier, IMO, so modifications are in order there, too.

My personal favorite crop of the orig photo is the bottom photo, which tells a better visual story, in my opinion, with the person gazing toward the mountaintops.... Again, I'd leave out the dark foliage line. I think I'd turn it into a brook heading toward the mtns ...

Thanks! Beth

Jean50
02-11-2011, 11:38 PM
Here is my photo. I took this photo and give Johannes permission to use it. Well, it didn't work.!! I guess I need help from someone. The upload said my photo was too large and to resize it. How do I do that?

charleyz
02-12-2011, 12:22 AM
I give permission for these images to be used for instruction purposes.

Original:

662742

Proposed crop:

662752

I plan to enhance colors and values to emphasize the changing depths. Any specific hints will be greatly appreciated.

tedzart
02-12-2011, 12:51 AM
Sorry, I tried to upload my pictures but they are not showing up. Perhaps for the newbies in the group, there should be a little instruction on how to do this.

Bonny: Did you even get any help. I have posted my photos twice?

tedzart
02-12-2011, 12:55 AM
Bonny: Did you even get any help. I have posted my photos twice?

Just curious if I can enter my photos here. Testing.....
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/180589-DSCF8759_800_edited-1.jpg

tedzart
02-12-2011, 12:58 AM
Just curious if I can enter my photos here. Testing.....
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/180589-DSCF8759_800_edited-1.jpg
Here's the crop, which moved the focal point into the prime real estate location.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Feb-2011/180589-DSCF8759crop2_edited-1.jpg

wetbob
02-12-2011, 04:20 AM
Well, it didn't work.!! I guess I need help from someone. The upload said my photo was too large and to resize it. How do I do that?


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Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeMcD
Sorry, I tried to upload my pictures but they are not showing up. Perhaps for the newbies in the group, there should be a little instruction on how to do this.


Bonny: Did you even get any help. I have posted my photos twice?


You have to have a few posts before you re allowed to upload. Make one more post about the great webinar of Johannes and you can upload!

Dharma_bum
02-12-2011, 04:44 AM
Well, I guess I will have to repeat mine, because I forgot the disclaimer. So, I give Johannes permission to use these photo's for his class. This is the Colville River in Washington. permission applies to the foggy pictures of the Clearwater River in Idaho, posted earlier in this thread.

Here are mine. Not sure what to do with the sky, crop the sky completely out and it gets dangerously close to having the picture cut in half. Adding more foreground brings in either too many weeds, or too much snow. The background hills are very close in value to the sky, so I hope that makes a value mass that will interlock with the midground trees. . Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/41430-P1000605.jpg

And the crop... The bush in the lower right side no fly zone will have to go, and there are a few triangles to modify, along with a more melodic line to the edge of the ice, and some tangents, but...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/41430-P1000605-2.jpg



Dan

Colorix
02-12-2011, 05:15 AM
Difficulties with uploading?

Go to this post (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=886612), where you will find links to tutorials on how to upload (see signature links), and the body of the post shows how to get around the problem some encounter of it seeming to work, but no image shows.

New WC members have to post two text-only posts before you can post images. Post the two texts preferably as a nice comment in any thread on WC (try to avoid "I post this so I get my two posts" -- the site is huge as it is, and this forum is already difficult to wade through).

To resize a photo, find out how your own software in your own computer works. There are tutorials on WC, too, look in the post the above link will take you to, there are links there.

Technical questions on how the site works are answered in the New User forum. (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=35)

Good luck, hope to see many more pictures!

MaryDeCleene
02-12-2011, 09:36 AM
I didn't crop this to make another photo from this one because I didn't see that anything should really be eliminated, and when I did crop, I felt as though I lost things that could be included.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/733932-DeCleene_Stream.jpg

firesignart
02-12-2011, 10:53 AM
trying to get the beach scene, I think this gets the eye to travel in the painting

Eddypus1
02-12-2011, 11:36 AM
:cat: :cat:
Here is my photos
This is a commision I had. I cropped the original to focus on the evocative sky and sunrise. The client liked this scene from her camping ground and mentionned it was what she woke up to in the morning.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/827922-Bon_Echo_036.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/827922-Bon_Echo_036crop.jpg

allisonrd
02-12-2011, 12:11 PM
Here are my photos. I took this along the Blue Ridge Parkway in North Carolina. I hereby give Johannes my permission to use these images for his instruction purposes.

I tried to bring the crop more in line with the rocky stream. Not sure if successful.

Thanks
Allison D

Susan in Virginia
02-12-2011, 12:29 PM
I grant Johannes Vloothuis the right to use this photo to publicly display for comment, editing and recording that I waive all the copyrights.
First is the original photo taken at sunset in Virginia.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/775332-red_trees_.jpg
My intention is to bring the top left trees off the edge of the canvas, change the building to something more enchanting, maybe add some of the blue sky from the top of the original and lighten the foreground just enough to see what's there.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/775332-red_trees_cropped.jpg

SalzburgBJ
02-12-2011, 01:16 PM
Sorry, but this exercise is just too fun and educational to stop at just one photo, and I'm very interested to hear any comments about this one.

This is another of my favorite stomping grounds near Salzburg Austria. It's my own photo, and I hereby offer it with my permission for Johannes to use it for any and all instructional purposes.

Crop 1: I'm hoping the melodic line of the shoreline leads it properly into the (far!) background and that the masses are well balanced...?
The 2nd crop seems to me to foreshorten the scene & force the trees too much into the foreground ...?

Thanks,
Beth

BJSetzer
02-12-2011, 01:56 PM
Need to do 2 posts before I can post my images.

BJSetzer
02-12-2011, 01:57 PM
original photo

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/38758-IMG_3996_A.jpg



and cropped photo

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/38758-IMG_3996_A_cropped_1.jpg

Rosemarie
02-12-2011, 02:45 PM
Hi! Forgot to say that Johannes can use my photos in the webinar.
On the chat in Cyberlearning I am Fruhulda.

NeptunesHeat
02-12-2011, 04:07 PM
trying again . . . .

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/203298-DSCN1110A_cmprssd.jpg

and crop

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/203298-DSCN1110F_cmprssd.jpg

MaryDeCleene
02-12-2011, 04:08 PM
Original Photo:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/733932-DeCleene_Lakeview1.jpg

Cropped:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Feb-2011/733932-DeCleene_Lakeview2.JPG

Brasstownartist
02-12-2011, 04:25 PM
Can't get the images to post...what am I doing wrong?????

Jon
02-12-2011, 04:40 PM
You need two posts to upload an image on WC. Post anywhere on site and that will fix that problem. :)

Also, see the Forum Sticky regarding uploading:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=886612

emilyopal
02-12-2011, 06:04 PM
hopefully these have a reasonable amount of abstract shape

maxdawn
02-14-2011, 10:41 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Feb-2011/12193-1homework.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Feb-2011/12193-snow3forclass.jpg I am sure this is what Johannas is looking for. I can't find the post but thank you to the person who redirected. I have learning disablities and sometimes I don't understand directions. But I got it now. Or this one.

KenBratto
02-14-2011, 10:56 PM
Here is the original photo

KenBratto
02-14-2011, 10:57 PM
going to have to read the directions again.....

bobsavannah
02-14-2011, 11:37 PM
Is anyone else having problems uploading their photos? I've tried Jpeg, Png, and damn near everything else, all under the size reastrictions, and they all fail. Frustrating!

bobsavannah
02-15-2011, 12:01 AM
Screw this. I've tried 8 times to upload my photos. It ain't worth the headache. I could be painting instead.

wjames5
02-15-2011, 10:13 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2011/798062-fall_landscape_014.JPGhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2011/798062-fall_landscape_014.JPG

raxu
02-15-2011, 10:57 AM
OK here some more

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2011/171274-m_am_Rapsfeld.jpg

and cropped

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2011/171274-m_am_Rapsfeld_cropped.jpg

I would change the path starting right next to the fence poles, now it's too much at side. Also making the front of field more melodical would help.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2011/171274-m_viljapelto.jpg

actually, this ying&yang-field :) is not boring if...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2011/171274-m_viljapelto_cropped.jpg

Here I would change the background forest line by bringing some of the trees out, closer to the viewer. I would also change the tree top line more melodical (thanks Johannes).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2011/171274-m_am_Tornio-Fluss_1.jpg

and cropped

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2011/171274-m_am_Tornio-Fluss_1_cropped_2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2011/171274-majavaoja_kevat.jpg

AND THIS ONE, JOHANNES, I WOULD NOT CROP AT ALL!
This photo has abstract shapes, melodical lines, lead-in... you may disagree of course :D

Johannes has the right to use these in his classes if he wants to.

Judibelle
02-15-2011, 12:18 PM
Here is my original photo;
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2011/103700-scan0006.jpg__2nd_resize_of_haystacks.jpg
and my cropped version:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2011/103700-scan0006.jpg_cropped_haystacks..melodic_trees.jpg

I would change the tangent lines of the haystacks, moving them back above the line.

bobsavannah
02-16-2011, 02:15 PM
I thought the shoreline was too close to bisecting the picture, and cropped the bottom and fixed a few things that I thought needed attention.

jmcedeno
02-16-2011, 08:53 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2011/159973-02-08-2011-12-15-01-968.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Feb-2011/159973-02-08-2011-12-15-01-968-copy.jpg
The first is the original and the second has been cropped with alterations done in Photoshop, which as you can see I don't know how to work but I think you'll get the idea.

bobsavannah
02-17-2011, 03:02 PM
I thought the shoreline was too close to bisecting the picture, and cropped the bottom and fixed a few things that I thought needed attention.

I wish, I hadn't messed with the water so much though. That would be corrected before paint hits canvas.

AZSandy
02-19-2011, 01:04 AM
Okie Dokie here goes... This landscape is pretty busy, and I'd be inclined to soften it overall. Here are the 3 stages: before, shapes blocked in, and corrected Not a slick job, but I hope you get the idea:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Feb-2011/338901-ClassImgBefore.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Feb-2011/338901-ClassImgOutlined.jpg
http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy319/farleystudios/ClassImgAfter-1.jpg

MelissaShelly
02-19-2011, 09:45 AM
when i reply, i don't know to whom I'm replying? does this reply count as a post since I need two in order to comment

Jon
02-19-2011, 11:23 AM
To reply to a specific post simply click the quote icon in that post and a new window will open for you. You do not need a minimum post count to reply.

susanc
02-19-2011, 01:08 PM
when i reply, i don't know to whom I'm replying? does this reply count as a post since I need two in order to comment

Sorry Melissa! I wish I'd seen this before I wrote you that long explanation. You're in the right place, and yes, you have enough posts now to upload a photo.

Go ahead and hit the "Post Reply" button that's below the last post. It's on the left side. This "Post Reply" button creates your reply to the topic of this thread. You don't need to reply to anyone specifically.

When the next box comes up, you can access the photo upload options. Look for the button with the little mountains and sun and click on that. I think it will lead you through the process. Hopefully the uploader will be working!

Isaac M.M.
03-08-2011, 06:05 PM
Hi
yes', I'm kind of late... but I wanted to post my pic anyway:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/97351-rift.jpg

I like the interplay of the cliffs with the sea (and the shore) and that's what I'd like to paint. So I kind of balanced the sea and the cliff by cropping a big portion of both, I tried to make the rock masses a little more prevalent. And I left some horizon line/sky just to complete the spatial information

Here it's cropped:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2011/97351-riftcropped.jpg

The place is the Tossat del Mar, near Barcelona, Spain.