View Full Version : Who has the brightest magenta?
the drover's dog
01-03-2011, 09:35 PM
I'm trying to sort out an order for more pastels from the US and was hoping to make this one all about Great Americans because I still intend to buy a full set of Mt. Visions as soon as I save up enough.
I'm needing a really vivid Magenta or Fuchsia and am having trouble determining if the http://www.fineartstore.com/Catalog/tabid/365/List/1/CategoryID/5726/Level/a/Default.aspx?SortField=UnitCost%2cUnitCost Great American "Magenta" 690.0 or the GA "Tosca" 700.0 are bright and saturated enough to compare with those shades in the Mt. Visions, which I know are what I need. http://www.mountvisionpastels.com/colorchart/p750_753.htm Just wanted to avoid buying more Mt. Vision open stock when I intend to buy the set in a month or two.
Maybe another company has a good magenta????
Anyone have a clue?
01-04-2011, 12:09 AM
check out Unison SC7 - also Sennellier 940 and 941 - Schminke has one as well but I don't know the number.
01-04-2011, 01:20 AM
Also, check out Diane Townsend Thinline @ Dakota Pastels...she has an awesome set of 16 reds that includes some great Magenta's
the drover's dog
01-04-2011, 02:58 AM
Thanks Lynn. I had the Schminke one and it disappeared at a recent workshop and the nearest stockist doesn't keep all the colours. I'd forgotten what it was, being all label-less and naked in the box. Thanks for the reminder. Will have a look at the Unison one too. I only have a few Unisons in shades of rust and tan and am not keen on these, but other colours might have a better feel to them. Heck, I'd use nail polish or strawberry jam if it was the right shade for my favourite magenta or lime-yellow.:D
Tracey, thanks for mentioning the Towsend pastels. I haven't tried them yet so it might be an opportunity to grab a few including a good magenta. The shape of the others has always put me off, but the thinline ones would be okay.
Off to check out these suggestions. Colour charts are difficult on the web.
Today I've been making some of Donna's foamcore trays for the Mt. Visions as they are too fat to go anywhere other than a custom designed home. The trays are a lot of fiddly work, but looking good. I used the matt cutter to slice up all the bits and pieces.
01-04-2011, 03:17 PM
I was going to recommend a Schmincke...maybe we're thinking of the same one. It positively screams Magenta. I'll see if I can find my label!
The other is another labeless half stick from Sennelier. A little darker than the Schmincke, but a great Magenta.
01-04-2011, 03:34 PM
I do know that Mount Vision has a great magenta. but the Diane Townsends thinlines are nice and there are a couple of nice magenta colors in that red set. i bought the 48 plein air set a few months ago and they are really nice and heavily pigmented. there is at least one fushcia in that set but if you are just going for a few i would go with the reds. they are thin and shorter than I expected. They are not pointy either so to actually get a thinline from them is a bit tricky but they work well for just about everything else. They are also softer than I expected them to be. I find them a very nice addition to my pastel collection.
the drover's dog
01-04-2011, 10:12 PM
Thanks for the info Chuas. I went to the Schmincke online colour chart and it was hopeless trying to pick which was "that" magenta. Chart was very artificial looking in its colours. It's that true magenta red I'm after, not a pink. I really get upset with Senneliers and try to avoid them. Crumbling, expensive, little monsters.
Sara, it's particularly nice to have some input on the Townsends as I know nothing about them. They are not mentioned very often on WC. That red set looks divine, but I'm wondering if I have enough use for the other reds in it as I'm not a big user of reds but do use a lot of orange and the purple in the set will not go astray either. Decisions......decisions!!
01-05-2011, 12:52 AM
Dale - if you go here
you will see the 1/2 set of the Schminke pastels and the magenta I was talking about is in that set. The list of the included pastels is right below the photo. Perhaps you could email Dakota and ask them which pastel is the most magenta - or ask them for the one you like the best by row or whatever.
Actually, I know you don't like the Senneliers, but in my set those are the brightest, most pigmented magentas of anything else I have, and my "collection" is pretty large :-) Those exact numbers - 940 and 941 - you can't go wrong with them.
01-05-2011, 12:15 PM
Aren't we lucky to have this resource available that can guide us to the exact pastel we need? I do love WC for this very reason.
I hope you find the best one Dale... and remember... 2 or 3 are as good as just one.
I used to be the same way (ok I admit it - I still am) about the Schmincke Quinacridone Violet. It just beckons me for a rich colorful dark.
01-06-2011, 04:22 PM
Dale, Lynn is right on about that..that is the magenta I was thinking of, and I checked and am labeless!
Also agree about the Senneliers, I was going to recommend 309 and 940. Both glorious, saturated magentas, one more violet than the other.
the drover's dog
01-07-2011, 03:25 AM
I looked at that pic of the half set of Schminckes and I'm wondering if we differ in what I call magenta. Lynn, do you mean the fifth pastel from the right, second row from the bottom? httphttp://www.dakotapastels.com/pages/setlists10/shshal75.htm:// If so, then I don't class that as true magenta, but as a purple on the red side of the spectrum - i.e. a quinacridone purple. The colour I have in mind is a quinacridone red or even a carmine red with a hint of purple in it but not as purple-ish as fuchsia.
I'm looking for a "printer's magenta" because with my background in journalism and publishing, that is what a true magenta looks like.
Below are some swatches from the web. The carmine swatch is a Schmincke watercolour and probably closest to what I have in mind but not quite vibrant enough.
The third swatch is the Sennelier Quinacridone purple, also from their watercolour line.
Chuas, thanks agian for your help.
01-07-2011, 11:43 AM
the Diane Townsend 94D thinline is that color. It might now look like it when you look at the pastel but when you lay it down on paper it is that color!
01-07-2011, 12:19 PM
For ultra cheap, Dakota is doing Clearance on the good but discontinued Winsor & Newton solf pastels. Texture is a lot like Rembrandt or Art Spectrum.
The 10 and 15 color Grab Bags that are left have a hot pink in them like a magenta tint, looked like a cold hot pink to me.
The 24 half sticks set for only $12 has a dark magenta: http://www.dakotapastels.com/pages/setlists10/wnshalf24.htm
20 starter set with accessories just has warm and cool reds but it's also going cheap at $20. You might also find W&N soft pastels on Clearance at other art supply outlets but Dakota had pictures of the products too.
Blick has 24 color sets that have the magenta but not at a dollar a stick.
i have #420 in the townstead soft form of townstead and it is somewhere in the realm of magenta (however it borders more on a purple or bluish hue then the yellow). I'm not quite sure if it is exactly what your looking for but its worth taking a look. I couldn't find my townstead pastel on dakota, or the dick blick website but if you look at the link below it might have what your looking for
here is the link for dakota pastels --> specifically the townstead 12 hot colors (the fushia magenta might be what you want)
01-08-2011, 12:26 AM
Sorry Dale - I was thinking darker and more purple. I would call your magenta more of a fuschia pink. That color, in some forms, can be highly fugitive - at least in watercolor form. In some lines it is called Opera. Make sure whatever you buy is not comprised of fugitive pigments. Don't know if any of the Quinacridone pigments will be quite that intense.
01-09-2011, 04:37 PM
:) Hi--Just a thought---but if you want your magenta to look or to appear brighter you should place greyed colors next to it in your painting----and it will be very bright.
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