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kevinwueste
01-03-2011, 12:41 AM
Welcome to the January Portraiture Challenge! It's a new day and since we might say we are beginning again, I thought it would be good to take another look at basic structures in, largely black and white. The goal this month is to start with the basic structure of the head that Loomis shows - the Ball and cone - and develop your heads the way he has. Your heads, believe it or not- will improve by developing a consistent plan. I know, everyone wants to paint in color but before that can stand any chance of being good, you gotta' have the drawing thing DOWN! I hope to see basic drawings and as you are comfortable to develop more complex heads - based on these and then, if you like from your own CLEAR shadow and light -based photo references.:)

Here beginneth the visual lesson --

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jan-2011/164138-Slide1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jan-2011/164138-Slide2.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jan-2011/164138-Slide3.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jan-2011/164138-Slide4.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jan-2011/164138-Slide5.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jan-2011/164138-Slide6.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jan-2011/164138-Slide7.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jan-2011/164138-Slide8.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jan-2011/164138-Slide9.JPG

And a few things for fun and in color for when you've sorted the head structure!



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jan-2011/164138-norm_nason_slide_1.jpg

I hope you enjoy this new Challenge and let's see your work!

Kevin
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jan-2011/164138-norm_nason_slide_2.jpg

Lauren F-M
01-03-2011, 02:55 PM
Good stuff, Kevin! :D
This will certainly teach us a lot -- a great start to the year! :thumbsup:

asarkis
01-03-2011, 03:54 PM
Thanks for this thoughtful challenge. Hopefully a lot of Portrature forum participants will join it.

kevinwueste
01-03-2011, 04:10 PM
Great to hear that Anna! At the very least I will be doing some practice!! Hope you and Lauren will join in.. can we twist more arms for the hard but important foundational work ? time will tell!!

Kevin

pls note that the last few plate are by Norm Nason - an amazing artist/illustrator..

lovin art
01-03-2011, 07:04 PM
Hey there Sir K ,you Rock my Dear Homeboy love this;) , I started with doing the exercises , Im bored already can i just move straight onto the heads with features:( :lol: see Im a bad school girl ... honestly these are great and will help me see greatly .....Thankyou !!:clap:


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jan-2011/186639-001.JPG

kevinwueste
01-03-2011, 08:38 PM
Awesome Sandra! Keep going - don't let me down!!! how about another sheet of these same ones - do a few until they are easy and rote.. that's how this becomes a tool for us! Great work! Kevin

lovin art
01-03-2011, 09:57 PM
don't let me down!!! how about another sheet of these same ones -

Not a CHANCE of that Homeboy!!:D uggh~ I knew you would say do more !!!:lol: :crossfingers: heres my next lot -+ I can see how that ball shape over and over is the basic structure of making the head come into focus .....


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jan-2011/186639-002.JPG

Lauren F-M
01-03-2011, 10:11 PM
Good for you, Sandra! :clap:
That first lot look just like the references! :thumbsup:
I will get on to these challenges soon -- problem for today and next few days is that I am out of town and don't have my usual access. Will try to fit in some drawing time and post them up when I get back home later in the week.

lovin art
01-03-2011, 10:18 PM
Thankyou heaps Lauren:D , I hope you get to do some and join in with me :thumbsup: ....although I do think the teacher should be made to join us ~and no posting old stuff either ....:D :lol:

kevinwueste
01-03-2011, 10:38 PM
Great work!

I will be posting likely tomorrow - all new all the time! ;-)

lovin art
01-04-2011, 04:00 AM
Ok, I loved the red lips:D .....my last quickie for the day !!



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/186639-005.JPG

Bella Jo
01-04-2011, 07:34 AM
Thanks for posting these Kevin. This is just what I need!
Sandra, you are off to a flying start to the new year! Looking good.
I will try to fit in some drawing this week sometime.

Happy New Year everyone.

Clive Green
01-04-2011, 08:22 AM
mmm, I like a challenge. Did this guy draw anything after they made Mr. Ed ? I'll see what I can do.

ishiprog
01-04-2011, 09:05 AM
Hi all, and thank you Kevin for this great Challenge!

I try to understand the construction steps of Loomis' method and will post my results here now.

Thanks to my beloved wife I have a digital drawing tablet since Christmas and with that I tried to work with layers to show you the steps I performed.
I'm rather pleased with the result and will work more with Loomis's method (promise!)

Thanks for your C&C


Cheers


Wolfgang


Reference:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/198962-ref.jpg


1. The Constuction

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/198962-1.jpg

2. Placement of the features

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/198962-2.jpg

3. Refinement of the features

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/198962-3.jpg

4. Placement of the shadows

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/198962-4.jpg

5. Refinement of shadows

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/198962-5.jpg


6. Final (not finished)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/198962-6.jpg


I will not work further on this - will try different people with different angles of the head etc.

Clive Green
01-04-2011, 05:14 PM
couldn't print the ref. need to get more toner today. used one of my ceramics books instead, just for a laugh. second image is a typical day in town but with fewer figures, a tangi at the marae and a penguin I saw in a childrens book. :eek:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/103744-drawing_exercise.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/103744-last_monday.jpg

this is a4, usually I'd do a page or two on a5 each day or even a couple of A6s if I'm just having a quick coffee and running out of time.

sorry about the quality but my scanner doesn't like pencil and I've had to adjust the levels

NancyS.
01-04-2011, 06:21 PM
Hi Kevin and all,
Thanks for the great challenge this month. I appreciate the opportunity to improve my drawing skills. Here's the exercises I've done so far.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/29707-Sketches_ala_Loomis.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/29707-Sketches_ala_Loomis_2.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/29707-Sketches_ala_Loomis_1.JPG

Nancy

jennf
01-04-2011, 10:54 PM
What a great challenge, Kevin! Thanks for putting this together.

I started working on this in my sketchbook tonight, but have a question . . . . is there anything in that book about finding the approximate placement of the nose using this construction method? For instance, you can use the browline to find top of the ears, but then do you use the bottom of the ears (or something else) to find approximate location of the nose?

The reason I ask is that in the first few drawings, where the ball is tilted backwards, it seemed like when you draw "through" to show the browline where it passes around the back of the ball, the point where that line intersects with the midline of the face is roughly the placement of the nose. But then as I drew the ball tilting in different angles, that didn't seem to hold true. Does the Loomis book provide any guidance on this?

I tried a very quick head study tonight using this method and was surprised at how quickly it came together.:)

Thanks,
Jennifer

NancyS.
01-05-2011, 12:16 AM
Jennifer,
I struggled with that same thing-- where to place the features, particularly the nose and mouth, in relationship to the ball.

Looking forward to seeing your drawings! :)

Nancy

mimitabby
01-05-2011, 12:56 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/73379-figures1625.jpg

ok, I will play too. All I can say is, very interesting. These were fun exercises.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jan-2011/73379-figures2624.jpg

mimitabby
01-05-2011, 11:53 AM
then this morning I woke up and drew "the fortune teller" a self portrait, 20 minutes..

123harry
01-05-2011, 01:26 PM
This is a good idea, but I may have been watching too many Pixar productions over the holiday. I'll have to get that out of my system before getting to work.
Sketched on the Wacom in Painter 11.

Heads

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jan-2011/186003-WC_head_a.jpg

kevinwueste
01-05-2011, 04:34 PM
What a great challenge, Kevin! Thanks for putting this together.

I started working on this in my sketchbook tonight, but have a question . . . . is there anything in that book about finding the approximate placement of the nose using this construction method? For instance, you can use the browline to find top of the ears, but then do you use the bottom of the ears (or something else) to find approximate location of the nose?

The reason I ask is that in the first few drawings, where the ball is tilted backwards, it seemed like when you draw "through" to show the browline where it passes around the back of the ball, the point where that line intersects with the midline of the face is roughly the placement of the nose. But then as I drew the ball tilting in different angles, that didn't seem to hold true. Does the Loomis book provide any guidance on this?

I tried a very quick head study tonight using this method and was surprised at how quickly it came together.:)

Thanks,
Jennifer

Here from the horses mouth ( Andrew Loomis) and some thoughts at the bottom by yours truly!

“The most important point in the head from which to build the construction of the face is the point immediately above the bridge of the nose, between the brows. This point remains always fixed and is indicated by the vertical line of the nose and the cross-line of the brows. On the ball this is the junction of the “equator” and “the prime meridian,” the two lines that cut the ball in half vertically and horizontally. All measurements spring from this point. About halfway up from this point to the top center of the head we get the hairline, and have therefore spaced off the forehead. Dropping down and equal distance below the cross-point, we get the length of the nose, since the distance from the tip fo the nose to the brows is, on an average, equal to the height of the forehead. Measuring the same distance down, we get the bottom of the chin, for the distance from the bottom of the chin to the base of the nose equals the space from there to the brows, and from that point to the hairline. So it’s one, two , three spaces all equal, down the middle line of the face.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jan-2011/164138-planes_of_the_head_loomis.jpg

See above how the nostrils map up to the inner edge of each eye ( called the inner, or medial canthus). One quick way to say what Loomis wrote above is “a third, a third, a third” to get you in a generally good location: 1/3 of the way from the top of head to brow-line, 1/3 of head from brow to bottom of nose and 1/3 from bottom of nose to chin.
Learning these basic planes of the head is SO useful to drawing people. IT is a wonderful too when you ever need it, get in trouble..etc.

I hope this answers your q!

Kevin

NancyMP
01-05-2011, 05:30 PM
Kevin, that's a great rule -- a third, a third and a third. Are there any relationship measurements to rein in the mouth? I always finding myself "guessing" where the upper and lower lips sit, since it's the most mobile facial feature we have.

Clive Green
01-05-2011, 07:44 PM
Nancy - kevin may have better advice but as a general rule the mouth opening is on a line halfway between the chin and the join of the jaw behind the earlobe, the base of the eye socket is (generally) on the same level as this point. As a rule the upper lip protrudes beyond the lower as more muscles pass under the nose.

I tend to work on a four way division of the face but I can see where the rule of three and looking at planes is a very effective strategy.

vlandry
01-05-2011, 08:43 PM
Hi All,

Much of the wonderful feedback on my last posting in the main forum was about drawing. So since Kevin started this thread, I thought I should go where angels fear to thread and give my Loomis-based drawing a try.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jan-2011/62407-step1.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jan-2011/62407-step2.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jan-2011/62407-step3.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jan-2011/62407-step4..JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jan-2011/62407-164138-cast_seven.jpg

Vic

kevinwueste
01-05-2011, 09:45 PM
Harry123 - awesome! Mimi - great to see this work! Nancy S. - yes!!!:clap: :clap:

Vic - that's great to see! keep on looking for those big shapes - cool to see you employing the Loomis head! Nancy - I'm glad I have a tool ( idea) you can use!! Clive's way is probably as good as mine ( since these are all just beginning estimates) - I use another set of thirds - 1/3 - 2/3; 1/3 from the approx bottom of nose ( just above the bottom of philtrum) to middle of mouth, 2/3 from their to bottom of chin. There's a good illustration of that in Robert Barrett's "Life Drawing" book!

Ok I did some Loomis heads today - great practice.. from basic snow-cones to a character ( man w/cigar) to a business man, older woman ( I left it a bit unconstructed so you can see how it develops from the cross and snowcone), young woman and baby.. employing all of his ideas is so useful. It's also fun to experiment with how he develops volumes/shading etc., - really cool to practice! One thing I recall when doing these is how much of a designer Andrew Loomis was, the hair is designed, the shapes - like the shadow under a nose - is designed to be just a bit more interesting and beautiful than what we might see. This can help - thinking of ourselves as designers - to begin to make decisions as we draw people - decisions that improve and develop the work.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jan-2011/164138-loomis_head_studies_kevin_wueste_1_5_11_wc_size.jpg these were done in carbon/conte noir and general's 2b ( the right tool for the right thing!)...

Kevin

mimitabby
01-06-2011, 12:25 AM
these were done in carbon/conte noir and general's 2b ( the right tool for the right thing!)...

Kevin
ah, maybe my #1 pencil is NOT the right tool?

NancyMP
01-06-2011, 12:35 AM
I decided a while back to print out the Loomis book, "Figure Drawing for All it's Worth," which starts with heads. The book is out of print, so I waited for enough black toner and paper to print out 204 pages.

For anyone who would like to see and/or print the PDF, here's the link (http://www.placidchaos.com/Loomis/Andrew Loomis - Figure Drawing For All It's Worth.pdf).

NancyMP
01-06-2011, 12:39 AM
This is a good idea, but I may have been watching too many Pixar productions over the holiday. I'll have to get that out of my system before getting to work.
Sketched on the Wacom in Painter 11.

Heads

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jan-2011/186003-WC_head_a.jpg

Harry, :lol::lol::lol:!!

mimitabby
01-06-2011, 10:42 AM
I have it (Loomis books) saved on the hard drive of both of my computers.
I am loathe to print it out, but am spending a lot of time reading it.
His stuff on composition is good too.

Wonder-w
01-06-2011, 11:13 AM
Yeah! That's what I'm looking for...Excellent for improving skills and to recall the fundamental basis. I'm in. Tnx Kevin

Ella

mimitabby
01-06-2011, 12:05 PM
Yesterday I got to practice in a meeting. I carefully erased a lot of the loomis lines...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jan-2011/73379-meetingdoodle.jpg

shubert
01-06-2011, 03:44 PM
My attempts. and some older sketches of children.

Wonder-w
01-06-2011, 04:57 PM
Here is some..

venetian_red
01-06-2011, 05:41 PM
Hello! This is my first post on wetcanvas, although I've been lurking here for a while. I'm excited to try the challenge and hopefully learn something :)

I tried the first sheet, and I was a little frustrated though. I feel kind of silly, but I think I'm missing something. I can copy from the sheet alright, but I don't think I'm fully understanding about using the balls to make faces and place features, because I don't think I could look at a person and then draw them using this method. I had a hard time with the last image because I couldn't see the ball shape underneath and I couldn't seem to get it to work on my own. Does this just take more practice? Edited: I realized I had to post twice before I could upload a picture. So here's my first attempt.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jan-2011/598622-challenge1.JPG

luicre
01-06-2011, 10:58 PM
My horrible, terrible awful attempts:

Luicre

mimitabby
01-06-2011, 11:03 PM
Luicre, give yourself a break, yours are no worse than the rest of ours!

luicre
01-06-2011, 11:09 PM
Thank you Mimi.! I will practice more.

Saludos

Luicre

NancyMP
01-07-2011, 01:34 AM
Luicre, I think the first ones were hard! Just drawing free-hand circles gives me trouble:p... Here are my attempts so far:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jan-2011/203830-Head_Study_1.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jan-2011/203830-Head_Study_2.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jan-2011/203830-Head_Study_3.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jan-2011/203830-Head_Study_4.jpg

kevinwueste
01-07-2011, 01:49 AM
Luicre and Nancy ! Great work! I feel lazy now and need to practice more!!!

Nice work Shubert and Mimi again - keep an eye on the big shapes.

Venetian-red - yes! it will take more than one pass of a few balls and cones to see it. It will take a few hundred heads to begin to get it and a few thousand constructions to make it second nature. Unfornately there are no free lunches in drawing - and no free anything in drawing people! If you see what Luicre and Nancy have done - you can see where the dynamic begins to shift as they do many of these little constructoins.. they become a bit more facile.. It is so cool to see that!

Kevin

Kevin

123harry
01-07-2011, 04:16 AM
Still in holiday mode, I'm afraid....
Sketch, Wacom and Painter 11

Arghhhh!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jan-2011/186003-WC_HEADS_3a.jpg

mimitabby
01-07-2011, 11:12 AM
Harry, did you draw each of those red and orange spheres?

123harry
01-07-2011, 12:11 PM
mimitabby: No, I'm much too lazy! They are produced by the 'leaky pen' tool in Painter 11.

kevinwueste
01-07-2011, 06:09 PM
Time to upgrade Painter X !!

NancyMP
01-07-2011, 11:38 PM
I've been wanting to draw this guy for some time. Well, at least I tried, even if it's off!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jan-2011/203830-Inception_001.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jan-2011/203830-Inception.jpg

123harry
01-08-2011, 06:06 AM
Keep it in Proportion!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2011/186003-WC_U_1.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2011/186003-WC_U_2.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2011/186003-WC_U_3.jpg

venetian_red
01-09-2011, 12:28 AM
Thanks for your reply Kevin. I went back and retried the last few heads on the first sheet a bunch of times and I think I'm getting a better grasp for this method, although I'm not really comfortable with it yet. I also started the second sheet. Not a lot to show for myself, but I figured I would post it anyways :)

I wanted to ask a question about this method. It's for everyone here if you want to answer! Is this the method you usually use to begin to sketch out a drawing from life (or any drawing)? I know there are many different ways to go about that, and I'm wondering if this is a popular method? I'm finding it useful practice, but I guess I'm having a hard time seeing myself using it regularly. But maybe that will change after I practice a lot more!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2011/598622-challenge1a.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2011/598622-challenge_2.JPG

I'm Sarah by the way :wave:

Clive Green
01-09-2011, 12:50 AM
hi Sarah,

Not how I work from life.

I tend to outline the overall shape of the head, the shape of the face as framed by the hairline, the angle of the jaw/chin, and then place the features (nose, brow line, line of the mouth, ears, eyes - in that order although not always) before shading. I often draw in cafes or when I'm chatting with friends (they're used to it) and I like to get the basics down quickly so I can work from memory later.

There's really no one best method, and I work at different speeds, even with different grips, depending on the medium.

lovin art
01-09-2011, 01:59 AM
Hia Sarah :) , Im looking at your question , its a good one , for me its a matter of I wasnt seeing as clearly just wanting to get my drawing down, I have found and I think that basic sturcture and shapes of the head as good as I can see them much more easier , doing a basic envelope of the head seems to be of such help to me and getting the plumlines and measurements more accurate to a general likness ....

wonderful work everyone:thumbsup: :clap:

mimitabby
01-09-2011, 11:23 AM
This is not how I have been drawing either, but as I was complaining just a week or two ago of having trouble lining eyes up, this looked like a worthwhile exercise to do. And when I am painting, I am loathe to make too many pencil lines (and erasures) on my paper, so I will have to keep it to a minimum, but it already helped me a lot on my last painting (Sainted)

asarkis
01-09-2011, 11:59 AM
Finally, I have completed the first 4 plates and can focus on portraits now.
The images are slightly distorted at the corners, as I could not keep the paper straight.

kevinwueste
01-09-2011, 05:25 PM
Anna those are [email protected] Sarah - good question and you have some good answers! It is more a foundational methodology - once you understand this you can use or discard portions of these ideas that work. Fundamentally ALL of the great teachers I have studied with work in a similar fashion.. When I see someone who draws well, and does it consitently, almost w/o fail, I recognize someone who has a plan and they don't really get lost alot as they are building shapes. When I look at Tony Ryder, Jacob Collins, Rob Liberace, Nelson Shanks, Burton Silverman, Glen Orbik, Henry Yan or Zhaoming Wu - they all employ a version of these notions. It doesn't seem to be hurting their work ( and they are all clearly their own artists!)..

:)

Kevin

NancyMP
01-09-2011, 05:36 PM
Kevin, the only place I tend to get lost is in the fleshier, more mobile features of the face. Mouths can be lower in one face than another, and always, always, depend on expression. The rule of having the mouth 1/2 the distance between the bottom of the nose and the chin depends on expression, too.

If I am the only one with this problem, can you address it for those of us who have issues with it?

NancyS.
01-09-2011, 11:58 PM
Kevin and Clive, thank you for the tips on placement of the nose and mouth. I find I'm doing a lot of measuring and having a general idea where things should go helps a lot.

Everyone is doing excellent work in this challenge! Kevin, your sketches are inspirational.

Harry, love the cartoon heads!

Here are some more exercises and two portraits of Loomis' s older men. C & C welcome.

Nancy

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jan-2011/29707-portrait_challenge_1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jan-2011/29707-portrait_challenge_2.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jan-2011/29707-portrait_challenge_3.JPG

Clive Green
01-10-2011, 04:05 AM
I got mono at the cafe :lol:

brush tipped marker on cartridge (150gm)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jan-2011/103744-monochrome.gif

also had a really good coffee and a salad and corned beef roll with none of that mayonnaise, avocado, yoghurt, dill pickle rubbish obscuring the flavours

luicre
01-10-2011, 08:09 PM
These heads are giving me nightmares.


Luicre

asarkis
01-10-2011, 09:45 PM
Luicre,
Good progress. I think rule of thirds does not work when head is tilted back or forward. You should observe carefully and apply correct ratio of forehead/nose/chin areas. I am not sure if there is any rule to estimate these areas when head is tilted? Let's wait and see if anybody knows these principles.

kevinwueste
01-11-2011, 02:13 AM
Great work here! Anna is right Luicre - the rules kind of fall apart as head foreshorten in perspective.. But great to see these practice head! Nice work NancyS and Clive as well!! Mono ? oh boy..

Kevin

asarkis
01-11-2011, 08:19 PM
I have completed plate 36. The most challenging one was the smiling man. I have started with Loomis sketching tool then did some measurements in order to get a better resemblance.

NancyS.
01-11-2011, 08:40 PM
Anna, Those are really nice! I recognized them all right away. I wonder if the chin might be too short or too small on the smiling man. But everything else is very accomplished.

Nancy

asarkis
01-11-2011, 09:00 PM
Nancy- Thanks for your comments. i think his chin is short, also there is something wrong and artificial about his smile. I will check the smile muscles action and placement in Loomis book.

armparas
01-12-2011, 04:04 AM
Hi to all!
Nice posts everyone.
These are my attempt to apply the principles.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jan-2011/43594-P1100022a.JPG
black and White drawing (Justin Kay)http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jan-2011/43594-P1080017a.JPG
Thanks Kevin.
Comments appreciated

asarkis
01-12-2011, 03:23 PM
Kevin - very good start. It is so qiuck and easy to sketch the head with this wonderful tool. Hope to see more of your posts.

Wonder-w
01-12-2011, 05:00 PM
Great work here!
So, I keep on study and there are improvement of man no.2 ... also woman and old man study.
Sorry if I don't comment posts individually , but here are masters with better eyes then mine are.

Ella

Chuckcamo
01-12-2011, 11:56 PM
I never tried Loomis before, I usually just draw what I see...:P

Here's my attempt... don't think I got all the angles perfect, but I get how it works... :)
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9008/portraitchallengeforjan.jpg

Those sketches from 123harry are great.... Pixar FTW.

NancyMP
01-13-2011, 03:06 AM
Chuck, Harry so aptly expresses our frustration :eek: at trying to get these shapes and formulas down:lol:... but you seem to have it licked first try. These are very well done!:thumbsup:

Chuckcamo
01-13-2011, 03:15 AM
Thanks NancyMP... it's wasn't easy, it took me a little longer than I thought. I can see how a little repetition with these will make head drawing easier.

oops accidentally deleted my image file... here it is again.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9008/portraitchallengeforjan.jpg

agnesdale
01-13-2011, 05:53 AM
was a lil bit slow this month with all the traveling,hope to catch up soon!

fivespices
01-13-2011, 11:37 AM
This is such a useful lesson! I had managed to do a first few pages and scanned to a folder. But the size is bigger than the posting size, (< 600 dpi). Can you help me to find a save software to adjust the size for posting. I had not posted before due to the this technical incompletent.

Thanks

kim

asarkis
01-13-2011, 12:41 PM
Hi Kim,
The easiest way is to use Paint software, which should be available under Programs - Accessories - Paint.
Open your image in Paint then go to menu item Image - Stretch/Skew sub item. I usually set Horizontal and Vertical (Stretch section) fields to 30%.
You should be able to load the resized image.

fivespices
01-13-2011, 02:44 PM
Thank you Anna! This program is under my nose all these years and yet I did not know how to use it to post :( . Thanks to you, it is better late than never. Your drawings are impressive and beautiful. I am new to protrait therefore, not qualify to give any suggestions at the moment. But I know they looks good.

Anna; one more question. When I resize the followings sketches with 30%, sometimes I get one bigger than the other. Is it base on how I scanned them?

These are very messy with conte crayon, pencil and charcoal pencil and does not look alike those on the lesson, but I am trying.

C & C are always welcome.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-1.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-2.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-2-1.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-3.JPG

Anna: It is not that difficult to post after all. Thanks

fivespices
01-13-2011, 02:50 PM
Continue exercise ...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-4.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-6.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-5.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-7.JPG

C & C always welcome! Thanks

Next will be those pretty women sketches.

kim

asarkis
01-13-2011, 04:22 PM
Kim - Excellent work for the beginner. I think you do your resize a couple of times, that is why some images are so tiny. When you do your first resize, please save it. If you resize on the top of it, the program will resize from the current size, not the original one. In a nutshell, resize only once.

Chuckcamo - you got very precise and clean sketches.

Ella - I am not a master but can comment on your work. I love your sketches, especially the profile. The profile is the most challenging for me. Keep on the good job.

fivespices
01-13-2011, 05:06 PM
Thanks Anna,

Teachers:

Why he does not look that old? I put the wrinkles at the left eye; the circles under his eyes and the wrinkles at the corners of his lips. Still he looks 10 years younger than the lesson plan. I have lots of fun doing these lesson.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-8.jpg

C & C ALWAYS WELCOME!

kim

Wonder-w
01-14-2011, 03:38 PM
Anna, thank you so much for comment. Your work looking good too.

When I'm not satisfied with the result, I start again.. Sometimes it happens that I have a good start but when I begin with the shading my image distort.
I think that practicing is the most important.

fivespices
01-14-2011, 03:41 PM
Kevin, "Justin Kay" is so beautiful. Did it take a long time to do?

fivespices
01-14-2011, 03:47 PM
Wonder-w;

Need to learn from your patient. The likeness is excellent.

kim

fivespices
01-14-2011, 03:50 PM
Here is the 2nd one in the 'Older Group'. He looks older than the previous one I did.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-9.jpg

C & C always welcome!

kim

Rose4U
01-14-2011, 11:17 PM
Hi, I am new to Portraits, Have been stalking around on Wet Canvas for a few years, figured I better join in.

Kevin thank you for the challenge and all the information that you have provided.

And Thank you Nancy for the Loomis book link. Here are my attempts.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2011/105753-heads1a.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2011/105753-heads2a.jpg

seejay
01-15-2011, 04:46 AM
Lots of great practice here. Maybe I can get motivated to join in before the end of the month.

Here are a couple of links to another artist, Nathan Fowkes, who starts his portraits with some construction - with great results IMO. I think there are more of these on his blog if you look further. Hope these are of use to someone. Cheers

Head Drawing Demo (http://nathanfowkes.blogspot.com/2008/09/head-drawing-demo.html)
Charcoal Demo (http://nathanfowkes.blogspot.com/2010/01/charcoal-demo.html)

It is more a foundational methodology - once you understand this you can use or discard portions of these ideas that work. Fundamentally ALL of the great teachers I have studied with work in a similar fashion.. When I see someone who draws well, and does it consitently, almost w/o fail, I recognize someone who has a plan and they don't really get lost alot as they are building shapes. When I look at Tony Ryder, Jacob Collins, Rob Liberace, Nelson Shanks, Burton Silverman, Glen Orbik, Henry Yan or Zhaoming Wu - they all employ a version of these notions. It doesn't seem to be hurting their work ( and they are all clearly their own artists!)..

kevinwueste
01-15-2011, 11:43 AM
This is such a useful lesson! I had managed to do a first few pages and scanned to a folder. But the size is bigger than the posting size, (< 600 dpi). Can you help me to find a save software to adjust the size for posting. I had not posted before due to the this technical incompletent.

Thanks

kim

Kim, if you have a windows-based PC, I would suggest using Microsoft Picture Manager. It comes with windows and is a bit more advanced ( but easy) than Paint. You can size to 800 x 800 ( which is the max size at WC) and so it will be as big as it can be ( tiny images are hard for us to see!)..

Tools in Photoshop elements, Powerpoint, Photoshop, Painter and most image-manipulation software can also do this.

Kevin

kevinwueste
01-15-2011, 11:47 AM
I have completed plate 36. The most challenging one was the smiling man. I have started with Loomis sketching tool then did some measurements in order to get a better resemblance.

Anna - keep using the basic construction - from the general to the specific for these.. It looks a bit like you are trying to copy the details vs get the heads built they way he is teaching. (But I am often wrong!).. Great to see the practice though! - Kevin

kevinwueste
01-15-2011, 11:49 AM
Great work here!
So, I keep on study and there are improvement of man no.2 ... also woman and old man study.
Sorry if I don't comment posts individually , but here are masters with better eyes then mine are.

Ella

Ella these look good - I hope we'll see more - keep an eye on relating shapes ( eye to eye, ear to ear) to keep the symmetry in check!

Kevin

kevinwueste
01-15-2011, 11:54 AM
Thanks Anna,

Teachers:

Why he does not look that old? I put the wrinkles at the left eye; the circles under his eyes and the wrinkles at the corners of his lips. Still he looks 10 years younger than the lesson plan. I have lots of fun doing these lesson.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-8.jpg

C & C ALWAYS WELCOME!

kim

Kim - the thing that - to me - makes the difference between capturing what he is and yours looking different is how he is using forms. the "bags" under his eyes have a clear form to them - a bit of a terminator and cast shadow edge. yours are sort of blocks of value and they are very consistent everywhere ( so it tends to look less like form and more like, sort-of "light-here, dark-there").. go back and analyze edges, where it is softer, harder, lost in the image and see if it compares with what you are doing.

I hope that helps. I might also do that drawing and show yours next to it if you like ( I don't want people to feel "spot-lighted" however!)

Kevin

kevinwueste
01-15-2011, 11:54 AM
Hi, I am new to Portraits, Have been stalking around on Wet Canvas for a few years, figured I better join in.

Kevin thank you for the challenge and all the information that you have provided.

And Thank you Nancy for the Loomis book link. Here are my attempts.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2011/105753-heads1a.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jan-2011/105753-heads2a.jpg

Rose these are nice! Now lets see a few of the more developed heads!!

Kevin

fivespices
01-15-2011, 02:10 PM
Thanks Kevin, I will be honored. May be the controlling of the pressure to make a long line is an issue. Cross hatching is difficult. I will study your sketch and learn how to make a different value to make the form.

I did the 3rd one before I see your post. Now I see there are places the edges are hard. I will fix it before I post it.

Thanks much

kim

fivespices
01-15-2011, 08:00 PM
kevin: what is "a terminator and cast shadow edge?" I am learning the term you have been using.
Quote: "the "bags" under his eyes have a clear form to them - a bit of a terminator and cast shadow edge.

I soften some of the edges on this one. Need to learn how to critique my own sketch.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-10.jpg

C & C always welcome. thanks

kim

kevinwueste
01-16-2011, 03:54 AM
kevin: what is "a terminator and cast shadow edge?" I am learning the term you have been using.
Quote: "the "bags" under his eyes have a clear form to them - a bit of a terminator and cast shadow edge.

I soften some of the edges on this one. Need to learn how to critique my own sketch.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-10.jpg

C & C always welcome. thanks

kim

See the slide below - let me know if this explains well. sometimes, like the bags ( or "eye-cups") which are fatty and loose tissue over the obicularis oculi, a terminator rolls right into a cast shadow edge so they are all on top of each other! An older man will be losing the fat in his face, showing more frown wrinkles and typically will have a higher hairline. these things are part of what makes that man older..

ok comparison of my quick sketch, the Loomis master and yours - what is different ? can you tell ? can you spot the terminator and cast shadows ? ( it's hader in this example but they are there!)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Jan-2011/164138-loomis_head_demo_page_for_five_spices.jpg

Mine is certainly not perfect either what is interesting is I can see my tendencies in this sketch ( reminds me to keep working on them!).. Also, it is hard for me to mimic right-handed shading as I am left handed so it's a bit of a challenge! My first goal, always is: does it look human ? than I refine for likeness ..

Ok a visual discussion of terminators and cast shadows:


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Jan-2011/164138-terminator_cast_shadow_slide.jpg

Terminators are typically softer and gradual - they often bisect the light-side of a form from the dark side ( the term "terminator" comes from the visual aspect of the moon wherein the terminator is the edge of the light-side and on the other side of the terminator is, well the Dark Side!)

Cast shadows are harder edged and flow along countours. They are strongest with direct, single light sources and less evident with diffuse or multiple light sources. I ALWAYS recommend that people who are learning draw their portraits with a single strong light source that will create clear terminators and cast shadows.

Does this make sense ?

Kevin

fivespices
01-16-2011, 11:13 AM
Kevin;

Thanks for your detail explanation. The second explanation helps me to understand how the first one has terminator and cast shadow edge together.
Now I can see in my sketch : the upper & lower eye lids; the corner of the eye, mouth, the dimple; the shadow under the lip & those bags under his eyes; do not roll into a hard edge (terminator & cast shadow edge together). Also the value of the nose's core shadow is not well executed. Your sketch is mush easier to understand these. Loomis has a hard line and middle dark lines and I did not think of those are used to turn the form. I am so glad I ask the question. I will use them in the next one. So much to learn, so little time.

Thanks again for the generosity.

kim

kevinwueste
01-16-2011, 11:47 AM
Kim - terminator and cast together do not make a hard-edge because they are together - but that *can be the case. best to keep the idea of the separate ( one is soft and separates light and dark planes, the other is harder edges and is where light has been blocked by an object.

These Loomis drawings us a lot of shorthand to represend forms and light. The more careful we draw or paint, the more we can represent these things more accurately ( as they occur in nature - not a photo).

Kevin

Lee27
01-16-2011, 12:29 PM
Kevin,
This looks so cool! I just found it today while browsing. I am just about to finish the exercises in "The New Drawing from the Right Side of the Brain" and was just thinking last night that I need some more portrait practice. This will be just the ticket and hope to join you before the month is out! Thanks for posting!

Leeann

fivespices
01-16-2011, 06:49 PM
Thanks Kevin for clearing that up. I thought two dark sides together will make it even darker. I will keep the two separate now and decide the edge by real life observation.

Thanks

kim

fivespices
01-16-2011, 08:43 PM
Leeann:

It is a lot of fun doing this. Please start as soon as possible.

4th one in the 'Older Group'. I am watching the hard and soft edges on this one. Do not know if I am getting here yet.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-11.jpg

C & C always welcome. Thanks

kim

kevinwueste
01-17-2011, 01:05 AM
Kim =- right on - that work is literally transformed from your earlier ones! amazing progress! Now that you are starting to understand some of how values work - keep on focusing on the drawing - but great job!

Kevin

fivespices
01-17-2011, 12:49 PM
Kevin:

Thank you so much for your encouragement. Will do another one tonight after work.

kim

Rose4U
01-17-2011, 08:48 PM
Kevin Thank You.
This is tough but it is really making me more aware of the over all structure of the head.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jan-2011/105753-heads3.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jan-2011/105753-head4.jpg

Lee27
01-17-2011, 10:03 PM
OK, here's my first exercise. I can see and understand the concepts until I get to the point where the chin and nose are added (in the 8th circle). By the time I got to the end, I was very frustrated. :( In the last one, I just drew what I saw and didn't think much about the circles, brow line, etc. I am wondering if I am missing the point. I remember earlier in the thread, there were some instructions, maybe I will try to find them and try some more.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jan-2011/623342-Loomis_Plate1.jpg

kevinwueste
01-17-2011, 10:09 PM
Leeann - good work! the point is more that you have to do many of these - many balls with the chin added.. it takes more than one go 'round to sort it - so don't be frustrated -you are doing well!

Rose - gret work! you know, I believe everyone who begins to intenalize this information in any way will improve their head drawing - not the least of which being we will know more what to look for!

-Kevin

Lee27
01-17-2011, 10:31 PM
Kevin, thanks, will try some more again tomorrow... :-)

Lee27
01-17-2011, 10:33 PM
P.S. Guess my impatience comes through just a bit, huh?

kevinwueste
01-17-2011, 10:46 PM
Leeann, you are not alone - I think it may be more of an American trait than in other countries but we expect results NOW - and drawing and painting - especially people takes TIME. Lots of practice and good mentorship ( good teachers).. Thousands of drawings later - we start to get it.. that's how it goes I'm afraid. But if it were easy - anyone would/could do it - no ?

Kevin

asarkis
01-17-2011, 11:25 PM
My attempt on plate 38.

asarkis
01-18-2011, 11:33 AM
Rose4u - I would suggest you to cut the sphere from the other side too . I was doing the same mistake until I realized that one side of the face is rounder (where I did not cut) while the other side was OK (the side where ear is visible). Even the tool is super great for sketch, there are a couple of things you need to figure out as it is not always explicit on the sketch.

Lee27
01-18-2011, 01:38 PM
Kevin,
Yes, you are correct. I want instant results NOW! :o LOL!

Anyway, I will practice these exercises some more and maybe after alot of practice, it will start to come more naturally. I just finished the book "The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" and the methods in it seemed a little more intuitive to me. But then again, I've not really given these methods a chance yet. I can definitely see that this method would be good when you are drawing a head that's positioned something other than a full view or a profile.

Thanks for the words of encouragement!

Wonder-w
01-18-2011, 05:45 PM
Kim, we see nice progress, keep on good working.

Kevin thank you !

I don't have much time last days and here is study quickly done tonight:

tetref
01-18-2011, 06:25 PM
Hi everyone, Im new. My name is Paul. I just finished my first workout.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2011/63685-Plate_1.jpg

asarkis
01-18-2011, 08:06 PM
Welcome to WetCanvas! Hopefully you will enjoy the challenge of the month. You did a super job on this plate. I will check to see more of your works. Is it you on avatar image or someone else?

Lee27
01-18-2011, 10:38 PM
Here's Plate 2 for me. It looks a little skewed cause I had the angle with the camera a little off (of course, some of them are skewed cause I drew them that way):rolleyes:

Paul, Welcome to the forum, your drawings are REALLY good!:clap:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2011/623342-Loomis_Plate2.JPG

fivespices
01-18-2011, 10:53 PM
Thank you Ella. I am trying. Yours is always good.
Anna; You are fast. They look good.
Paul; Grad you joint us. They look so neat and good.

Teacher: I submit another one. Two nights and one sketch, slow but fun. I am trying to internalize the terminadors.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-12.jpg

C & C Always welcome!

kim

tetref
01-19-2011, 03:45 AM
-anna

Thanks a lot. The photo of me, but thirty five years ago. :cat:

-Leeann

Thanks too. The hard part is draw a head. First used eraser. :(

tetref
01-19-2011, 04:08 AM
- kim

thanks. good work.
Here are my older work from Basic 101: Pre-Class Assignments, but usually used a grid:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12486602&postcount=277

trevors
01-19-2011, 12:07 PM
As I did a really poor portrait the other day I decided to do penance and contribute to this thread , well I regard the Loomis bit as penance as I have done it several times before and although well worth will it is rather mundane but if thats what it takes here I am!

Thanks for putting this together Kevin :wave:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jan-2011/105971-loomis2.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jan-2011/105971-loomis1.jpg

And this one from this thread

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=839452
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jan-2011/105971-mucha.jpg


All C & C welcome and really very necessary :D

trevors
01-19-2011, 02:42 PM
Loomis male+ female+ offspring AKA wingnut!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jan-2011/105971-loomis3.jpg

tetref
01-19-2011, 04:20 PM
I just finished plate 2.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jan-2011/63685-Plate_2.jpg

Rose4U
01-19-2011, 05:46 PM
Thanks Kevin
Still working at it. :)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jan-2011/105753-Heads5.jpg

fivespices
01-19-2011, 05:49 PM
Leeann: The plate 2 looks good. Specially the last few.

Paul: You are working hard. Those circles are good.

Trevors: Those heads (in the plate) are funny. Looks like you had lots of fun too.

Everybody is working hard. I will catch up tomorrow night.

Keep on PRACTING.

Kim

Sandra39
01-19-2011, 08:24 PM
Hi: I want to try this Challenge just for fun since I have been trying to paint a few portraits mostly in Watercolor. To start doing it in pencil should give me a solid foundation to paint later.
I understand we have to make two postings before uploading images, so here is No. 1.
Sandi C.

Sandra39
01-19-2011, 08:46 PM
Now, posting no. 2
My name is Sandra but since there's already a Sandra here i will go by Sandi which is what my friend call me anyway. I had just scanned my rough drawings and will post them soon after this one.

Sandi C.

Sandra39
01-19-2011, 09:27 PM
Hi I am back. First of all I'd like to thank Kevin for this opportunity. This is a big task writing lessons and answering questions including checking to see how the participants are progressing. These things take a lot of time and requires lots of patience. My hat 's off to you.
I finished a few sketching/drawings in one evening about an hour. I found out that I can imitate the positions of the heads but can not create the likeness of the refs. Is it going to be a problem for me in creating portraits later on?
I assume that portraitists are supposed to capture the likeness of the subjects. Is that the no. one requirement?

This is my work so far. I used an old set of drawing pencils I have had for years. They are made by General Pencil Co. graphite No. 6B; another pencil is by General as well. It said "Sketch and Wash: No. 588.
Canson Sketch paper 9"X12"

CXC are welcome and appreciated.

Sandi C.

Sandra39
01-19-2011, 09:32 PM
There's one more that I missed in the first upload.
Sandi C.

Lee27
01-19-2011, 10:00 PM
Kim, The hair on your post above looks really good. Are you using just a pencil or also a charcoal stick? It looks so good to me. :clap:

Anyway, here is Plate 3 for me. They seem to be a little easier now that I've done this 3 days in a row and it seems to be sinking in.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jan-2011/623342-Loomis_Plate3.JPG

Sizun
01-20-2011, 04:13 AM
Leeann, I like how hard you are working at it. In my opinion, Plate 3 is easier than the previous ones and the second step basic drawings are interesting to study from other references, too. I'm still struggling with them though;)

I'll have a try at photographing my drawings today, something I've delayed because of bad lighting.

Sizun
01-20-2011, 05:01 AM
So, here are my efforts so far.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2011/176244-planche1a.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2011/176244-planche1b.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2011/176244-planche2a.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2011/176244-planche2b.JPG

tetref
01-20-2011, 12:41 PM
Now I finished the third Plate...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2011/63685-Plate_3.jpg

Lauren F-M
01-20-2011, 02:34 PM
Guys, I am so impressed with what everyone is doing with these refs! :clap:

I plan to join in soon. Has anyone found these exercises helping in their drawing of other things? :confused:

Sandra39
01-20-2011, 04:34 PM
Hi Lauren- I haven't applied what I learned here to anything since I am new to this forum. But I learned to realize that faces comprise of several forms and positions, and am more aware of faces both in photos and real lives. In another words, I learned to be more observant of people faces and shapes. We are not talking about animals yet! Hope that animal lessons will come next.
Here is the drawing of an old man from the ref.

General graphite pencils 6B and 588
On Canson Sketch paper 9"X12"

Sandi C.

tetref
01-20-2011, 06:09 PM
previous circles ok, but plate 9 :(
I had to open Parramon book and study proportion of head (canon of male head)... :crying:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2011/63685-Plate_9.jpg

fivespices
01-20-2011, 06:53 PM
Leeann:

I can tell those lines are more confident than before. Plate 9 wll definitly help us to draw the human face more human, even thought they look little bit robotic in the plate.

Regarding to the hair I did: I used all charcoal pencils (no graphite). First I use the sofe grade (4B or 6B, I did not look at it) to lay the construction line, and dark value areas, then use a tissue to rub it so that the charcoal hard line disappear left a patch of medium value. After that, I use grade 2B to follow the direction of hair. Those hair direction next to the face does not make a lot of sense but it was acceptable in this stage of learning. I hope I make sense.

Keep on practing.

kim

fivespices
01-20-2011, 11:30 PM
Hi everyone: I sketched another Loomis's girl tonight to practice the construction lines and hard & soft edges.

Instead of scanning it, I photograth it and it looks much better than the previous posts. I apologize for those postings that hurt your eyes.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Jan-2011/60973-L-13.jpg

C & C are always welcome. Thanks

kim

fivespices
01-20-2011, 11:45 PM
Hi Lauren:

I am still learning the faces and will keep at them for a while to get better at them. Kevin is a great teacher and he knows what the beginner need. Those edges explanation / demo open my eyes to see how the form is turned and beware of the edges.

I really cannot answer your question at the time being.

Thanks for your encouragement.

kim

Sizun
01-21-2011, 04:16 AM
Paul : you did well with plate #3. Have you tried to draw the planes of the head over the basic ball construction for plate #9 ?

Lauren : in the past I used to find it difficult to use this construction to get a portrait with any likeness, because the basic drawing determines so many things to come later. So if the basic ball and tilt is wrong, everything else will be too. But now I'm begining to understand how to be more accurate from the begining. What I 'm doing is take a magazine and tracing paper and trace the head structure (ball, middle line, brow line, jaw, "side" line, ear, etc...) over people's photographs. You will get lots of different structures and grasp those differences more easily.

Sandi : You're right, this process teaches you how to look for form. I see those things when watching TV, for example !

Kim : your drawing is a very good work.

tetref
01-21-2011, 05:06 AM
Hi Sizun, Plate 9, unfortunately, I did not draw the ball, only visual estimate...

Kim: nice work :thumbsup: , simle rule for the eyes: gap between the eyes is exactly for the third eye (sorry for my english :o )

fivespices
01-21-2011, 09:25 AM
Sizun: Thank you very much.

Paul: I understand you. I need to go back to do the Plate 9 again.

Thanks

kim

Clive Green
01-21-2011, 09:36 AM
Paul - Parramon is good, uses competent artists.

tetref
01-21-2011, 10:16 AM
Paul - Parramon is good, uses competent artists.

I have his books: Heads and Portraits, Lights and Shadows, Colored Pencils

Sizun
01-21-2011, 11:20 AM
i worked on plate 3 yesterday and I just had the opportunity to photograph them :
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2011/176244-planche3a-web.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2011/176244-planche3b-web.JPG

Working together on this is really motivating. Thanks a lot for initiating it Kevin !

tetref
01-21-2011, 05:10 PM
Back to the roots. Trying to draw under the rules. Last picture draw without any help.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2011/63685-Head_01.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2011/63685-Head_02.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2011/63685-Head_03.jpg

Sizun, great. :thumbsup:

asarkis
01-21-2011, 05:33 PM
Paul,
I think the circle should pass somewhere on the level of the mouth. In your case the face is a little long as a result of a smaller circle.

kevinwueste
01-21-2011, 05:52 PM
Ghislaine - good work!
Paul - Anna is correct - the sphere will bottom-out right at approx the top of the mouth give or take ( so a bit lower).. Your eyes are perhaps creeping up the head a bit for this perspective.

Great to see all this practice! We all if we keep at it will rock our head drawings!!!

Kevin

tetref
01-21-2011, 06:00 PM
Anna, thanks for the warning, 1st and 2nd. pic have good proportions, only circle is badly draw. Last pic is too long.

fivespices
01-21-2011, 08:24 PM
Hi everyone;

Here is another girl sketch I completed.

Paul, I measured the gap between the eyes and it = to her left eye. Thanks for the advice. In the previous sketch, I check the original, it seems the gap is wider than the left eye too. However, I am not too sure.

Kevin: I have a question regarding to the general acceptance method to use in drawing. For example, in this sketch I use the tone; lines & cross-hatching combo method. Is this acceptable in the real drawing world? Thanks in advance.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-14.JPG

C & C always welcome.

kim

kevinwueste
01-21-2011, 08:51 PM
Hi everyone;

Here is another girl sketch I completed.

Paul, I measured the gap between the eyes and it = to her left eye. Thanks for the advice. In the previous sketch, I check the original, it seems the gap is wider than the left eye too. However, I am not too sure.

Kevin: I have a question regarding to the general acceptance method to use in drawing. For example, in this sketch I use the tone; lines & cross-hatching combo method. Is this acceptable in the real drawing world? Thanks in advance.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-14.JPG

C & C always welcome.

kim

Kim - first you have to tell me WHERE this real drawing world is!?? This - your drawing is a real drawing! It is good! Tone, line and hatching can all be employed to serve your drawings absolutely. I try to avoid cross-hatching the looks like a "+" vertical and horizontal crosses - they and some times the "X" can break up forms but they can also support forms if done in support of how light falls across shapes. It is easy to say this but not so easy to do.

You have done a nice job here and your heads continue to develop.. keep an eye on how wide things are ( you have made things a bit shorter and wider than is typical).. but you are seeing lots..) here is a side-by side to consider:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jan-2011/164138-loomis_head_demo_for_five_spices_2.jpg

gingersnap
01-21-2011, 09:30 PM
OK I just spent an hour drawing circles... not well I might add. I am assuming this is the lesson. Basic skills to get to better skills in duplicating the plates. The drawings her here inspiring so I will press on and hopefully have something to post tomorrow.... after I reread this thread. ginger

fivespices
01-21-2011, 09:49 PM
I see the difference. It is so evident when two pictures are place side by side.

Please give me some instructions as how to hold the pictures together. Is it in one file or ??

REAL World means ... Well, may be this question is not the one I should concern now. I should just learn the values, edges & proportion for now. Since the lines and cross-hatching are all new to me, it means putting the same effort to learn them and I should learn them the correct way. Up to now, I just do what make me happy.


Thanks for your patent.

kim

kevinwueste
01-21-2011, 10:46 PM
OK I just spent an hour drawing circles... not well I might add. I am assuming this is the lesson. Basic skills to get to better skills in duplicating the plates. The drawings her here inspiring so I will press on and hopefully have something to post tomorrow.... after I reread this thread. ginger

Hi Ginger - this month's "lesson" is about how to develop knowledge to easily and repeatedly construct heads! It is one method and one that I think works when students do many practice rounds ( like hundreds of snow-cones! - ball and cone).. Loomis heads are beautiful and can help prep any head you want to draw!

-Kevin

kevinwueste
01-21-2011, 10:50 PM
I see the difference. It is so evident when two pictures are place side by side.

Please give me some instructions as how to hold the pictures together. Is it in one file or ??

REAL World means ... Well, may be this question is not the one I should concern now. I should just learn the values, edges & proportion for now. Since the lines and cross-hatching are all new to me, it means putting the same effort to learn them and I should learn them the correct way. Up to now, I just do what make me happy.


Thanks for your patent.



kim

Kim - no worries - I think I knew what you meant - like how to "artists" do it ? something like that.. Here loomis will tend to have his right-handed strokes go with the light source, across forms and not perpendicular to it - both can work but I believe mastering how he is doing it takes a LOT more thinking. Tony Ryder - if you have his book or can see some of his pencil drawings close up - will weave together forms with hatching.. pretty amazing.. So does David Kassan - and his drawing are a mix of form and hatching and line - amazing stuff!

My way of putting these drawings together might be convoluted - I copy the images directly into Powerpoint, size them and save them as a jpeg. I resize them in Windows Picture Manager to max 800 x 800 and then they are ready to upload. All of this could be accomlished in Adobe's photo tool, Painter, Photoshop and many others. But that's how I do it!

Kevin

fivespices
01-22-2011, 07:38 AM
Kevin:

Those information about the artists and photo manipulation will keep me busy for a long time.

Thanks again

kim

tetref
01-22-2011, 09:21 AM
Kevin and Anna, thanks for your help. I did not move on until they understand this correctly ... :evil:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jan-2011/63685-head_correct.jpg

fivespices
01-22-2011, 10:26 AM
Paul: this one is nice, natural and good proportion.

kim

kevinwueste
01-22-2011, 05:32 PM
Paul much better! good work! - Kevin

tetref
01-22-2011, 07:02 PM
Thaks you. Kim, I like your clean lines. You have beautiful portraits when the handle geometry.

And my first woman face:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jan-2011/63685-Woman_face_1.jpg

fivespices
01-22-2011, 07:38 PM
Paul: The girl rocks! The proportions between chin/nose/forehead; the spacing between eyes, the nose width are all correct. excellent!

I think, if you darken the hair along her right face, the neck, it will help to separate the neck and the hair; or lighten the shadow of the neck, it will help also. The sketch is beautiful!

I am not able to have another one done today because I need to go to work. I will catch up tomorrow.

Happy sketching

kim

Lee27
01-22-2011, 09:14 PM
Kim, yes, your explanation of your use of charcoals was great. I like the way it looks. I think your drawings are great.

Paul, your female face looks really good.

I have continued my drawings and will catch up on posting them tomorrow.

Sizun
01-23-2011, 03:22 AM
Paul, you're progressing fast on these. Study time seems to be very rewarding.

Kevin, thank you for your comments and answering our questions.

I'm still buzy learning the primary planes of the face. It's very interesting and even fun to learn how to sculpt your drawing like this.

Lauren F-M
01-23-2011, 05:09 PM
I just read through this whole thread -- had only read parts before -- to catch up properly before I start the Loomis exercises myself... :eek:

Before I start (no, this is NOT procrastination!) I want to commend all the new WetCanvas members who are participating here!:clap: :clap:
Welcome to Portraiture and I hope you will become regulars here! :D
Bravo also to all the other folks here -- we love you all! :heart:
Thanks also to Kevin, who is doing a great job as our professor! :clap:
Also, it's wonderful to see participants helping and encouraging each other... one of the things I love about this place....
:grouphug:

So, without further delay, I'm gonna start drawing.... :rolleyes:

Sandra39
01-23-2011, 06:06 PM
Kim - I like your women's drawings, short or not, they really look nice. I will try at least one of them tonight using your method of rubbing with tissues, will see how it works.

Sandi C.

Lee27
01-23-2011, 06:27 PM
I am catching up on posting today. I finished Plate 9, then did one of the old men. For the old man, I started with the circle and the cross hairs but I still ended up measuring because my circle dimensions just didn't look right. Even after I finished, my man has a more round face and the one in the picture has a longer face, evidence that shows I didn't really get the initial proportions right. But even so, I think I did a good job considering my lack of experience.

These exercises have definitely helped my understanding of the facial structures and it may be that over time (LOTS of time), I will learn to draw a face without using lines and a grid. Thanks to Kevin for putting this challenge out there and encouraging us. Actually, thanks to everyone who's provided encouragement and constructive critiques.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jan-2011/623342-Loomis_Plate9.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jan-2011/623342-Loomis_Old_Man.JPG

Lauren F-M
01-23-2011, 07:26 PM
Leeanne -- He reminds me a bit of Rodney Dangerfield... with a bit of Regis. :D Good work! :thumbsup:

Well, almost 2 hours later, here is my take on Plate 1. Done in (hard) charcoal pencil over grey pastel pencil in my sketchbook. I timed myself. Line 1 took me 25 minutes, line 2 took 45 minutes, and line 3 took me 30 minutes. I think it will take more of these exercises (or repeating this one) to get a handle on how this system works.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jan-2011/20772-Loomis_P1.jpg

Lee27
01-23-2011, 09:28 PM
Lauren, Thanks. I could see the Rodney Dangerfield resemblance also. I think that is why I liked him.

Good job on Plate 1! For me, it was Plate 3 before I really started to get it. I still can't say it's all that intuitive to me but I am sure it takes years of practice.

fivespices
01-23-2011, 10:57 PM
Leeann: You are making good progress. The form has volume and looks human. If it looks like somebody that is good sign, right?

Sandi: It is nice you like the girl. By all means use whatever method works, at least that is Kevin trying to say. Will you please post the practice after you finish.

Lauren: It is exciting to see you practicing with us. I appreciate you work side by side with us. What a honor!

I fixed a little bit of the previous sketch and move on to another one.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-14.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-15.JPG

C & C always welcome.

kim

Lauren F-M
01-24-2011, 02:13 PM
Kim -- thanks for your kind words! :D
That lady looks fabulous! :thumbsup:
... she looks like she is scheming! :lol: (She also reminds me of one of the women on "Desperate Housewives" -- the redhead.)

Here is plate 2:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jan-2011/20772-Loomis_P2.jpg

Sandra39
01-24-2011, 04:39 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jan-2011/228319-2011_0124visit0141.JPG

Here is my drawing of one of the ladies. Hope I got it right.
CXC are very welcome and appreciated.

Sandi C.

Lee27
01-24-2011, 10:40 PM
Here's my drawing from tonight.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jan-2011/623342-Loomis_Lady.JPG

asarkis
01-24-2011, 10:43 PM
Attempt on plate 46. I will comment later on everybody's work.

fivespices
01-24-2011, 10:58 PM
Lauren: Plate 2 is professional as it could be. Those lines are clean. Very very good.

Leeann: Your plate is also very good and clear. You will have a very good reference for the future head. I need to redo mine with clean lines for future reference after seeing these two ladies's work.

Sandi: You are making great progress. The head shows you use those plane of the face in plate 9 and you make them look easy. Good job! Are you doing to do another one? :)

I did another baby tonight. I need to adjust the division on the circle for the adult. The divison is the challenge. I do not quite understand the mouth. Need to study other baby reference pictures to clear my mind.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-15b.JPG

C & C always welcome.

kim

fivespices
01-24-2011, 11:10 PM
Anna: You have been busy. Those ladies have a classical, respectable look. Wow they are very nice.

Leeann: Your lady has a very classy look too.

I need to study both your sketches to see why they look like that way. It is so good to study together.

Happy drawing.

kim

Lauren F-M
01-25-2011, 12:35 AM
Sandi, Leeann, and Anna -- lovely ladies! :clap:
I'm looking forward to getting ahead on the plates and doing the people without circles and lines in their heads! :lol:

Kim -- nice baby.. :D (looks like it's hungry!) :rolleyes:

I just finished Plate 3:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Jan-2011/20772-Loomis_P3.jpg

NancyMP
01-25-2011, 02:36 AM
Lauren, even when I don't draw lines in their heads, I imagine the lines as I draw. I think that's part ofthe point; to embed those shapes in your brain! I've been too distracted doing other things to post drawings here recently, but I'll be back soon.

Turpintine45
01-25-2011, 03:40 AM
Well I finally got down to this. Great thread Kevin. I spent hours tonight drawing plate one and my circles aren't worth a darn! I guess I should do pages of circles first. I am not really getting it yet but will persevere as you seem to be saying it gets better!:confused: Jen

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jan-2011/216461-IMG_5778_Medium.jpg

Sandra39
01-25-2011, 08:22 PM
Jen - Great job, now you can get rolling, no hurry, you will get there.

Lauren - Thanks for good words. Yours look real sharp and confident. What's the pencil's number you are using? And is it graphite or charcoal? This makes me want go back and redo mine (not really):)

The following note is for all those who want to buy Loomis's "Figure Drawing for All It's Worth". Amazon is coming out with a new publishing of hard cover books at a really good price of $23.08.The only catch is you have to pre-order and wait for it to come out in May of this year.I already ordered a copy.

Sandi C.

asarkis
01-25-2011, 10:50 PM
I want to try the Norm Nason's girl in the hat. Please let me know if something is not correct, so I can improve it before transitioning it on the canvas. Thanks

fivespices
01-25-2011, 11:11 PM
Sandi: Your lady looks very good. Thanks for the book information. Will definitely order one.

kim

fivespices
01-25-2011, 11:15 PM
Anna: Can't wait to see how it turns out. kim

asarkis
01-25-2011, 11:17 PM
Paul - I like the girls' head. Her nostrils seems slightly smaller, the rest of the head is pretty cool.
Leann - Good work on the man's portrait. This portrait is one of the challenging ones, as the half of the head is in the shadow. I see the shadow on the cheek only. Nice attempt on the girl's head. When you draw the eyelid lines, pay attention to the highest points on the upper and lower eyelids.
Lauren - Your work is absolutely beautiful!
Kim - You are moving so fast.The pretty girl is much better after the fix, and the first baby's head is nice. You have captured his joyful expression.
Sandi - Good attempt on one the challenging head position.
Turpintine45 - Very neat drawing!

tetref
01-26-2011, 03:00 PM
fivespices, asarkis and other, thank you for criticism.
Leeann and asarkis, great work !!!

Hi, I'm sending another portrait for consideration. I will try to describe how I´m begining my drawing: I´m using two pencils, one 2B for fine lines and one 7B for larger areas. I´m drawing on usual office paper A4 80gr. I overprint a reference portrait to A4 size paper, then I placed it before me at a distance of 1meter. Now I estimate the height of the portrait on the paper and draw the end of the chin and hair. By measuring of proportion I try to estimate the width of the face, using a pencil. As a next step, I draw the contours of the face and hair. Then, I measure the lower part of the lips, nose and eyebrows using the masuring by third. In the middle of an imaginary center of the face I draw the line for the eyes.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jan-2011/63685-woman_2_sketch.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jan-2011/63685-woman_2.jpg

asarkis
01-26-2011, 03:45 PM
Paul,
I will explain how I approach to do my quick skecth and leave the measurement as the last aid to achieve resemblance.
1. Measure From top of the head to the mouth line. This is the diameter of the circle. Draw the circle first.
2. Then find the middle line ( bettween the eyebrows) and mark it. The most important point!!!
3. Find the head tilt, the angle between the imaginary vertical line and the straight line that goes through the middle of the chin/nose/forehead areas on the model. The middle line should reflect the tilt of the head.
4. Follow Loomis instructions on placing the ear, chin and get the head construction correct. Add details like eyes, etc and the planes
5. Now when you compare your portrait with the photo you will see the discrepancies. This is the point where your ruler becomes handy.
If you start measuring from the beginning, you are following your old way of work. I know that some books give suggestions of measuring and placing the features just the way you have described.
It is possible that my steps are not correct, but I found them super easy and quick, also I follow Loomis instructions which is the main idea of the month challenge.
As to the pencils that you use for your sketch, you can check Darrel Tank approach in pencil drawing on website below. He is using 4H as a primer, 2H, HB, 2B, 4B. This is just for your information.
http://www.fivepencilmethod.com/how-to-draw-video-demos/

The girl looks really good. I like the portrait.
How long did it take you to complete it with the way you approach?

tetref
01-26-2011, 04:25 PM
Anna - It's probably a lot of ways to draw a good portrait, for example, this method:

http://www.artacademy.com/Learn%20to%20draw%20-%20download%20lessons.html

great link with Darrel, thank :thumbsup:

I'm also an "eternal" beginner with mistakes of the past. Circle used only to determine the correct angle. A portrait I drew about five hours. I could not find the eye position.

asarkis
01-26-2011, 05:01 PM
Paul - The middle line is used to define the correct angle. How do you use the circle to define the angle?
The eye position will find itself if you define the middle point (between the eyebrows) properly. The rest will fall quickly into the correct place,
and if it is not , you can correct it with additional measurements.

tetref
01-26-2011, 06:39 PM
Paul - The middle line is used to define the correct angle. How do you use the circle to define the angle?

I imagine a sphere in 3D. Then I try to draw a horizontal center line with the right angle. But I already have facial contours. I have another procedure, because the contours of the face (arebesque) help me to find the position of the eyes, nose and mouth.

Sandra39
01-26-2011, 08:57 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jan-2011/228319-img042.jpg
Here is my little girl, I did this baby first before tackling the oldies. Babies are lovelier and more pleasant to look at:)
Hey, I have a friend named Bob who says the lady that I drew earlier is Miss Lizabeth Scott. Apparently she was some kind of a celebrity. I don't think I have heard her name before.
CXC are very welcome and appreciated.

First picture I uploaded is too big so I edited and upload the smaller size, turned out they both appear together. I apologize for not knowing how to fix this.

Sandi C.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jan-2011/228319-img042.jpg

Lee27
01-26-2011, 10:37 PM
Anna, you captured the ladies really nicely. Just looking, I was thinking that you made it look so easy!

Kim, the baby from 1/24 is great. The eyes and lashes are beautiful.

Turpintine45
01-27-2011, 03:10 AM
Sandi you did a good job on the baby. I am finding thse people really hard. I don't think I am quite getting the piont of these exersizes :(

Turpintine45
01-27-2011, 03:24 AM
Here is what I have done so far. I am having a problem getting the planes I am just not internalizing them. Anywhere maybe someone can see what I am obviously not. Jen
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jan-2011/216461-IMG_5778_Medium.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jan-2011/216461-IMG_5780_Medium.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jan-2011/216461-IMG_5781_Medium.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jan-2011/216461-IMG_5782_Medium.jpg
These are particularly bad. Probably shouldn't have included it!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jan-2011/216461-IMG_5783_Medium.jpg

Lauren F-M
01-27-2011, 10:04 AM
What a lot of work you've done here, Jen! :clap:

A suggestion that might help reinforce the things Loomis is showing us in these exercises:
Try using some tracing paper and try the faces over the circle face "template" he is having us do, adapted to the correct angle of the head you are doing. It also might help teaching the concepts without the arduous (though highly useful) need to constantly redraw the circle.

I also like to use tracing paper to check the structure of a portrait I'm working on, as I can check how things are lining up. Also very useful to refine sketches and illustrations in the working stages.

Another thing I want to mention. While the formula of the face being divided into thirds vertically is good, not all faces work this way. I always measure and never assume. It's quite interesting how faces vary. Quite a few people (I've mostly checked this out on caucasians, but I'm sure it's true in all races) have a longer bottom-of-nose to bottom-of-chin measurement. Others have shorter brows. Also, how 'straight' the profile lines up varies a lot, too. We are such a varied lot! :D

Turpintine45
01-27-2011, 11:39 AM
Thanks Lauren I'll try that. Jen

Sandra39
01-27-2011, 12:02 PM
Jen- You did a whole lots in one night more than I could and they are all good too. We should be proud that we can do this much and this good at a learning stage.

Lauren- the tracing idea is a pretty good one I've never thought of. I will try it from now on.
Sandi C.

asarkis
01-27-2011, 12:50 PM
Turpintine45 - You are doing really well.
The problems with planes arise when the internal structure of the face is not clear. Loomis books has other plates where you can learn the bone and muscle stucture. The flesh is built upon it, and the plane is the result of intenal structure that is invisible to our eyes.

kevinwueste
01-27-2011, 04:05 PM
Sandi you did a good job on the baby. I am finding thse people really hard. I don't think I am quite getting the piont of these exersizes :(

turpintine45 - You are actually doing good things. Lauren's feedback on actually doing some tracing over the shapes can be SUPER-useful to get a feel for it if it is feeling like it is coming too well. Finding it really difficult is good, it means you have found a gap between where you are, and things that are at another level. REally learning how to draw is not a walk-in-the-park - it just isn't. Or if it ever is, it is for 1/10th of 1% of the folks that try!

I will take a few thousand practice drawings, with good help, to get proficient. To be an expert - expect to spend about 5 years of full time work ( or about 10,000 hours) to be at the top of your game - and only then does the fun of your knowledge mixed with the ability to experiment take you to new places.

A final thought: when photgraphing your work, stand back a bit, zoom a bit with your camera and take photos STRAIGHT and level to the picture plane so we can see what you are doing and NOT what is skewed in the perspective of an incorrect photo.

Kevin

fivespices
01-27-2011, 08:37 PM
Hi, everyone, lots of good work here.

Baby is lots fun to draw. I can't figure out how the baby mouth suppose to look like, therefore, I borrow my friend's baby mounth and put it in this sketch. Also put in some soap bubles.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-16a.JPG

C & C always welcome & happy sketching.

kim

Turpintine45
01-27-2011, 08:44 PM
Thanks Sandi I did in three nights not all on one! This is slow!

Thank you for your encouragement Kevin. I will keep with it and hope it sticks eventually. In five years I will be 70! Good grief! Sorry about the photos I do try and get them straight. Probably should take them in daylight when I can get over them without having to try and keep my shadow out of it! Jen

Lauren F-M
01-27-2011, 08:49 PM
Kim -- you did a wonderful job on the baby! :clap: :clap: I think it's even better than the one Loomis did.
Talking about drawing babies -- every new year our local newspaper has a big baby section, where people (paying for the priviledge, I'm sure) put in colour photos of their babies. Lots and lots of baby faces! I saved it, as I figured it would be a great reference for practicing babies. Do other papers do this? :confused:

Also -- in regards to tracing over the circle to simplify things -- I recommend a little light table made by "LightTracer" -- I have one, which has a surface of about 9x11" that plugs in. Very handy for illustration work when refining my sketches and speeds up doing the final.

fivespices
01-27-2011, 09:14 PM
Thanks Lauren;

I never dream to campare with Loomis, but appreciate your encouragement. I need to go back to sketch now because I still have 900 hundred more to go in order to reach 1000 sketches goal. :eek:

I did not know there is baby event like that and it would be a great opportunity to collect reference photo. Thanks for the information. Will keep an eye on the opportunity.

kim

kevinwueste
01-27-2011, 10:43 PM
good baby!

Turpintine45
01-28-2011, 12:24 AM
Kim great job on the baby. Jen

armparas
01-28-2011, 02:51 AM
Hi to all
My attempt to draw the templates.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jan-2011/43594-P1270064a.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jan-2011/43594-P1270065a.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jan-2011/43594-P1270066a.JPG
my eyes improved a lot after doing the drawing exercises.
Application of the principles on this sketch.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jan-2011/43594-P1280076a.JPG

fivespices
01-28-2011, 11:30 AM
Kevin:

"Good baby!" sounds so humorous from the teacher. Now I have drawings for "desperate housewife", "hungry baby" & "good baby". I am going to give them these titles and put them in a different file.

Thanks

kim

fivespices
01-28-2011, 11:43 AM
Jen:

Thank you for your encouragement. I saw your grandson pastel drawing in other thread. The use of colors in different spots are very exciting. It makes the viewer feel as happy as the boy. You did a great job on him in different planes of the face with colors instead of graphite/charcoat. I love colors but I am learning to like black/white too.

Happy drawing/sketching

kim

fivespices
01-28-2011, 11:51 AM
armpapa :

You have finished a lot of good work here. Keep them coming! I am grad you find the exercise help to improve you drawing.

kim

kevinwueste
01-28-2011, 02:22 PM
Kevin:

"Good baby!" sounds so humorous from the teacher. Now I have drawings for "desperate housewife", "hungry baby" & "good baby". I am going to give them these titles and put them in a different file.

Thanks

kim

You know -- when I posted that I thought - read in another light ti might sound like someone talking to a woman ca., 1971 give-or-take.. Welcome to the internet!:o

Amparas, great to see your works - that IS the whole idea, that the repetition of these ideas will build new understanding for us, and in some ways develop muscle-memory for how things "draw' ( or how they look)..

and, you know: Good Babies!!:)


ps if you can, always take photos of your work dead on, with a bit of zoom on your camera, this will reduce all the bending and angles so we can see what you did and not what the camera messed with!

Kevin

armparas
01-28-2011, 10:52 PM
Kevin,
Thank you very much for your kind advice.
Next time I will see to it that i will improve on my camera.
Sample of my detailed work work.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Jan-2011/43594-Tatang_Andu_26a.JPG

Turpintine45
01-29-2011, 12:02 AM
Kim: Thanks for the kind words. Jen

fivespices
01-29-2011, 01:21 PM
Hi everyone;

This one is drawn with pencil and charcoal. I name her "Happy Grandma"

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-18a.JPG

C & C always welcome.

kim

fivespices
01-29-2011, 01:31 PM
armparas:

The skin on the man is increditable. May I ask how do you do it? Hope to see some more of your work.

Thanks for sharing.

kim

NancyMP
01-29-2011, 06:14 PM
OOPS! I just realized I was running out of month! Here is the first page (almost) of men's heads, and I ran out of confidence on the last one. You can see that I've been putting the circle and cone shape in each one, but my biggest worry is mouths. This is just pencilling in shapes on that last one, and I don't know if I have the smile right; it looks artificial and I don't know what I've doen wrong here!

C&C, please?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jan-2011/203830-Mens_heads.jpg

Lauren F-M
01-29-2011, 10:00 PM
Nice work, Nancy and Kim! :clap: :clap:
Nancy, you are so right about this month almost being over! :eek:
I think we can leave this challenge up for a while or still open though archived. I know I want to do more of these -- and get beyond the structure-heads and into the 'real' ones. :rolleyes:

fivespices
01-29-2011, 11:35 PM
Thanks Lauren.

Mancy, good work as always.

This one is all charcoal pencils.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-19a.JPG

C & C always welcome.

kim

Randa2000
01-30-2011, 12:58 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jan-2011/121987-28012011967.JPG

am i too late to post ? here is mine :o

NancyMP
01-30-2011, 01:08 AM
Kim, I am dying to get to the elderly women, but I still have three to get through before I'm there. This is beautiful work!

Randa, you're not too late! I'm late! it looks like we have a reprieve; which is great because all of this education is so helpful!

kevinwueste
01-30-2011, 02:38 PM
OOPS! I just realized I was running out of month! Here is the first page (almost) of men's heads, and I ran out of confidence on the last one. You can see that I've been putting the circle and cone shape in each one, but my biggest worry is mouths. This is just pencilling in shapes on that last one, and I don't know if I have the smile right; it looks artificial and I don't know what I've doen wrong here!

C&C, please?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jan-2011/203830-Mens_heads.jpg

nancy - you are doing well! on the last one, it's a small combination of things.. First off: this guy is just barely smiling in the first place so keep that in mind! Next, I have sized them vertically below so you can see your guy is a bit of a "Linebacker" (fullback in Futbol) vs a more "Arrow Man" shaped head. Next thing - narrower nose bulb vs the width of the smile and the interesting tiny thing (but can affect a drawing) is the slight exaggeration to the lower eye lids in your drawing, they almost always will have less curvature than upper lids .. yours - esp on his left eye - are sweeping a bit more than the ref loomis drawing.. Minor tweeks all as your dude is looking human which - to me - is the most important thing!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jan-2011/164138-nancymp_comp.jpg

Kevin

kevinwueste
01-30-2011, 02:41 PM
Hi everyone;

This one is drawn with pencil and charcoal. I name her "Happy Grandma"

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jan-2011/60973-wc-p-18a.JPG

C & C always welcome.

kim

Kim - seeing much improvements owing you your focus and good work here!

Overall she is great.. of minor things the one that stands out to me is/are the location and placing of her nostrils.. they are a bit skewed to the left relative to the center line ( middle of nasal bridge to philtrum etc.,)

great work!

Kevin

tetref
01-30-2011, 04:04 PM
kim - recent portraits I really like it, beautiful work :thumbsup:

I lack time to draw...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jan-2011/63685-bejby_01.jpg

Lauren F-M
01-30-2011, 05:32 PM
Nice work here! :clap: I am very impressed at how many of these plates you are getting done! :thumbsup:
Thanks also to Kevin for helping us all raise our personal bars! :clap:

Anyway, I've finally finished the fourth plate posted -- this was a very tricky one! I used some non-straightforward methods and didn't just trust my eye to just draw it. I used some tracing paper and my wee light table to balance the sides of the third head; free-hand but with a few tricks. :rolleyes: I found these very complicated.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Jan-2011/20772-Loomis_P4.jpg

fivespices
01-30-2011, 09:09 PM
Kevin: Thanks, I need to be more careful next time.

Paul: The baby is cute. Every parts in the right place.

Lauren: Your demand for perfection is what I need to learn from your work.

Happy sketching.

kim

fivespices
02-01-2011, 08:57 AM
It is sad that this month challenge is coming to an end. I had learned more than I possibly could if I were doing them by myself.

I like to thank Kevin for the challenge and all the guidance given to me along the way. You are a great teacher.

I also like to thank everyone who participate, doing those plate, heads and having funs and frustrations together as a group. I am sure we learn a lot in past month. Hope we can do this again.

BIG THANKS TO Y’ALL

kim

asarkis
02-01-2011, 01:01 PM
Well, I agree with you Kim.
We do learn a lot if we start from the beginning or the foundation. I have witnessed how people improved their skills in one month. We tried to help and encourage each other, and the result was terrific. Everybody did their best and we learned a lot.
Thanks Kevin for introducing this great tool.

There are a couple of links to other tools(drawing human figure), including Loomis, that can be found in the thread below.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=840422.

123harry
02-01-2011, 03:55 PM
Child's head done freehand on the wacom tablet in Painter 11.

Child's Head

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Feb-2011/186003-FIRST_HEAD_1.jpg

123harry
02-02-2011, 06:46 AM
I've added one of Mr. Loomis's young ladies to the sheet. I used a different technique with this one to get the sultry, soft-focus effect. Once again done on the Wacom tablet in painter 11 with 2B pencil but this time using the blender a lot.

Two Heads

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Feb-2011/186003-WC_SECOND_HEAD.jpg

123harry
02-02-2011, 10:13 AM
A larger version of the young lady's head.

Head of a Young Lady

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Feb-2011/186003-HEAD_YOUNG_LADY.jpg

Lee27
02-02-2011, 10:34 PM
Kevin, thanks for the January challenge! I definitely think I improved. Will there be a February challenge? :-)

Kim and Anna, I agree with y'all and it is sad that the month came to an end.

To everyone, I really enjoyed learning with everyone and the encouragement was great. This was the first time I participated in a "challenge" and thoroughly enjoyed it!

kevinwueste
02-02-2011, 10:49 PM
Harry some good works!

And everyone - a great month of focus !!

Leeann, yes Lauren has been working on the Feb Challenge and as soon as it is ready (either tonight or tomorrow I think) we will have it posted! We will then move this challenge to the archives where it will remain available for.. ever ? or at least a while!!

Kevin

123harry
02-03-2011, 08:05 AM
I seem to be determined to have the last word here! Just finished the elderly lady.
Pinter 11 with the Wacom again. 2B pencil tool. Tried to make the style fit the subject again, a 'characterful' hatching.

Elderly Lady, after Loomis

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Feb-2011/186003-HEAD_ELDERLY_LADY_2.jpg

123harry
02-03-2011, 08:07 AM
I've now got a sheet of studies I'll call....

Three Ages of Woman

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Feb-2011/186003-WC_COMPOSITE_FINAL.jpg

Lauren F-M
02-03-2011, 09:07 AM
Harry -- thanks for keeping the energy up! :thumbsup:
I expecially like the last two you did here! :clap:

Lee27
02-03-2011, 02:16 PM
Kevin, Thanks! I will look forward to the new challenge.