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11-30-2010, 09:28 PM
HO, HO, HO - Merry Month of December.......will no doubt fly by....I hope for each one of us to enjoy some creative time . Post anything you like.... here's a little sketch I did in my journal this weekend....just messing around with textures.....

12-01-2010, 05:56 AM


Hannukah card closed


Hannukah card open

I'll send this one to my young swinging podiatrist :heart:

12-01-2010, 10:17 AM
Ahoy there, everyone. Just to inform you: I am temporarily without web connection at home; I am writing this from the public connection at the gym. I promised to upload photos for this month's paint-along, but they don't allow me to use a memory stick here, so while I can participate in discussions, I cannot share images.

The internet provider tells me they'll hopefully have new stock of the little thingamagig I need for my connection by Friday, so hopefully I'll be fully back online by this weekend. I'll then upload some photos for the paint-along.

12-01-2010, 01:49 PM
Brian, you do sound very far away stranded in no man's land. What do we do these days without connection? Zilt. LOL. I remember the many times we are without electricity in Washington and recently in California, how much internet withdrawal with have even for a day. We'll wait patiently for your piece. Time flies by as one gets older. It was only a few months ago it seemed that I saw the Christmas decorations on the tree in the main boulevard and now it's decorated again. I'm getting very old.

All imaginary, except studying the structure of turtles from photos on the web.

Faber castell Albrecht Durer watercolor pencils
Daniel Smith watercolor
Pentalic Nature Sketchbook


12-02-2010, 08:45 AM

An exercise from Mary Todd Beam's book 'Celebrate your creative self'. Its 11 by 15 ins, wax and acrylics (mainly metallics) on paper.

I liked playing with crayons and paint in this one. I hope to do some more of her exercises as they're intriguing and enjoyable to do.

We have had snow all week. Its like a Christmas card outside.;)

12-02-2010, 02:00 PM
Brian, Don't work too hard. Looking forward to some of your photos.

I love the expressions you get on your creatures, Sandra.

June, I have Beame's book. Did my collage papers using her wax resist, black gesso, scratch technique, then painted gold. etc on it.

Hey, Robin. Neat swirls and whirls. :cool:

12-02-2010, 02:08 PM
Traffie- nice Hannauka card....just makes me feel snug and warm. .we are not Jewish but try to light the candles but alas I couldn't find the Mennorah!!! Maybe Andy will find it at the house and we can light'em tonight. I think I feel some gingerbread coming on !!

Brian - we'll be here fiddlin' with our pencils and looking forward to the photos. I'm glad I don't need to be plugged in to work. (don't know where that came from but just the same I'm glad)

June - what an intriguing piece......just want to keep looking and keep looking...I like the black, greyish teal and gold combo......

Sandra - the anatomy class is REALLY paying off....those turtles got the best body language ever!!!!!! Here some skeltons I did last night...(oops - the scanner cut off their skulls but they didn't feel a thing!) You amaze me, doing all that class work and still doing other pieces......you're one motivated gal.

Well, I gotta scoot Here's the skeltons and some bamboo pen & manga ink sketches.


12-02-2010, 07:07 PM
Look how productive everyone has been already. Some great pieces and all so creative and fun.

I have a bit of news to share, I have been accepted into a Diploma of Illustration course at the local TAFE. It starts in Feb, I'll be doing it part time, even though it means it will take about 4 years to finish. It was very scary having to go to an interview and show my work, but exciting to have been accepted so quickly.

Hope everyone is doing well

12-03-2010, 11:16 PM
I seem to be confused. I have been reading posts and looking at threads. What is it that makes this the "Classical Forum". I assumed classical to be long dead artists, like Davinci etc. What is the great worry about copying artists work in recent times. Is that considered classical here?

12-04-2010, 07:01 PM
Hi Margo - and welcome ....the definition posted on the Classical thread forum is this....

Classical Art - Come discuss techniques, share tips, post work and enjoy the fellowship of like minds working in various media. Anything Recognizable: Academic, Impressionistic, Naturalism, Contemporary Realism, Representational, Romanticism, Symbolic Realism and Traditional styles are all welcome.

We learn from seeing where art has evolved. Seeing different approaches taken in the past gives us some good ideas on mediums and composition. Copying artist is quite a good way to learn alot about the particular piece and the whole process. When I copy a piece I can feel and see better what and how the artist came across with the message.

Here in the Current projects forum we have artistic fellowship, share what other stuff we are up to and chit chat in the cafe . And we also have fun projects to do that relates in some interesting ways to classical art.

I hope this answers your question and I hope to see you here again.

12-04-2010, 07:08 PM
I do understand the value of copying. I have done it before and no doubt will again. I should have just read the intro to the forum. Thank you for your kind reply. I was very tired when I posted and perhaps a bit abrupt.

12-04-2010, 08:16 PM
Jacqui, you lucky girl. 4 years of diploma. I'm envious. Do well, and enjoy it. Keep us posted what you have been learning from time to time. Love to see your progress!!! Perhaps you will become a full time illustrator one day? What's your current profession?

Robin, great looking skeletons. I have so much trouble understanding the scapula and shoulder blade part. Love the crumbled pieces of artwork. Definitely adds to it. The first one looks very cartoon like and the second one has great perspective.

Margo, hope to see you soon again and your pieces. I've learnt lots here. You probably just went through a few more current artists but there are a lot of dead ones and I've benefited from both! The modern ones help me ease up and be creative and the dead ones give me a good foundation.

My anatomy course is now onto muscles. I have to work out flexors and extensors. Groan.

12-04-2010, 11:40 PM
I love those skeletons Robin!!

12-04-2010, 11:42 PM
Jacqui, congrats on your entry to the illustration course!! I hope you enjoy it a lot. What aspects will you study? Book illustration, advertising, etc??

12-04-2010, 11:45 PM
Sandra, I love those wise old (and humorous) turtles.

Janet, we don't do much in the way of Hannukah in UK. In fact I am not sure what it is? But I've heard of it via American TV programmes. I love your candle-cards. OK, I did some research and found out that Hannukah was about the rededication of the temple and the miracle of the candles staying alight for 8 days!!:thumbsup:

12-05-2010, 09:13 AM
I just had an idea for yet another ongoing sticky thread for this part of WC, namely celebrity portraits. And not necessarily only nice ones either, by all means let us include the infamous as well as the famous, so it could be portraits of anyone from your favourite composers to film stars to serial killers (and if they are famous/infamous only in your own country or city, then write a sentence or two explaining why the person is in the gallery of the great and the despicable!)

What do you think? It would give everyone a neat excuse to practice their portrait drawing skills.

Here's one such attempt I made some years ago; it remains just about the only successful caricature I have ever managed to do:


12-05-2010, 06:58 PM
Jacqui = bravo!!!!! 4 years is a long pull. If you finish that I'm sure you will be well on your way somewheres!

Brian -- ummm, Michael Jackson? That would be a fun sticky. It gets a thumbs up from me!

Hi Sandra, June and Janet!

Thanks ya'll for the comments on the skeltons.

Sandra - just fleshing it out now eh. how many more weeks do you have ?

12-06-2010, 06:03 PM
Thanks everyone for the congrats. I am starting to really look forward to it. It covers lots of different aspects of illustration and drawing in the first half and then you get to specialise in the second. They also try and give you industry contacts and build up a professional folio. No idea where it will lead, just in it to have some fun and get some direction. Will be very strange to be in a classroom again :)

Sandra your course is sounding full on. But you seem to be having fun with it. You need to show us some more of your work.

Brian, the great and the despicable hey, sounds good. Great caricature of Michael Jackson, spotted who he was straight away.

Hope everyone else is doing well. I have done a couple of pen sketches but not much else lately.

12-07-2010, 11:54 PM
Well, if people can recognize him without me telling them, then I must have done something right. ;-)

Caricatures are even harder than realistic portraits, which is why I never managed anohter one. The MJ one appears to have been a fluke!

12-08-2010, 12:55 AM
Brian, MJ is definitley recognizable.

Jacqui, I want so much to go to art school too. You have to enjoy yourself!!

Robin, I have 2 more weeks of videos and then 2 more critiques. But they are giving us time to catch up and the last critique is Jan 14. So as soon as I finish with doing the normal homework, I'm going to keep sketching and design my own figures. I am learning how the shoulder blade works last night, and today, how the spine moves. We are now going into how to cover these skeletons with meaningful muscles.

Here's some of my creations last couple of days.




12-09-2010, 02:15 AM
Sandra what a fantastic set of sketches. You really have got the hang of the human form. I am so impressed. I esp like the second page. Keep at it you are doing amazing work.

12-09-2010, 01:35 PM
Cool beans Sandra. I'm the newbie here, what sort of anatomy class are you taking? Is it for drawing or the medical world. My daughter ran off with my Grays Anatomy for studying to go to nursing school, so had to ask. Your sketches are very good. My hats off to you.

12-09-2010, 07:40 PM
Thank you, Jacqui, Margo, for your comments.

I'm following an online course by Andrew Caurse at this outfit here.

Yep, my figures now are definitely more proportional. I only need to perfect the skin covering on top. This course is to prepare students for making models and sculptures and it's not really a drawing course. But I need to know the parts to draw them for my own leisure (not for work). After this, I have to buy animal skeleton books so I could learn how to draw animals equally well.

12-10-2010, 03:24 PM
wow Sandra, those are great!

12-11-2010, 08:43 AM
Jacqui that is great and a really good opportunity- good luck with it:thumbsup:

12-12-2010, 06:32 AM
Brian, I think a caricature thread would be fun...especially during the let down time after the holidays. If it's on going we can pop in once in a while. MJ very good, you should try some more.

Jacqui and Sandra....I can't stand it. Everybody taking classes and moving along. Sandra, the movement in your figures are getting better and better and Jacqui, congratulations and please let us know what it's like. So now I'm inspired and have dragged out my two books by Robert Kaupelis "Learning to Draw" and "Experimental Drawing" These are pretty good exercises...but take lots of paper and art supplies.

Robin, very good skeletons...especially in green. It makes them look almost cheerful.

Hi, Margo. Glad to see you here.

Finally finished making Christmas cards. I swear this is the last year I do this. Too much work. Now maybe I can clean the house and deck the halls.

janet :cool:

12-12-2010, 11:37 AM
Janet - cheery avatar.
Rose has the winter orchestra concert but has to be there 2 hrs early so I think we are gonna hang out at the coffee house.....I'm taking my sketching stuff.

12-17-2010, 06:11 AM


Torn section of a painting (ala: Mary Todd Beam excercise)

Been a great year with all of you, and now on to 2011 and more ART. :grouphug:

12-17-2010, 07:06 AM
Very cool painting/card Janet!

12-17-2010, 08:48 AM
great card, Janet - thanks

12-17-2010, 10:31 AM
really like the card Janet, great work.

12-17-2010, 07:27 PM
Thanks all. This is my favorite card of all that I've made. I have to make more paintings to tear up.:lol: Wax resist, black gesso, razor blade and gold paint. I've used the paper down to the last scrap on collages and cards. Fun stuff.

I'm finally getting into a Christmas mood. Time for holiday movies and music like Faure's Requiem and the Messiah, with a little Rudolph, the Red Nosed Raindeer thrown in. :heart:

12-17-2010, 10:57 PM
Traditionally, on Christmas morning I put on a CD with Corelli's "Christmas" concerto. Plenty of excerpts on YouTube:


This year, perhaps I'll break tradition and do Rachmaninoff's "Vespers" instead. ;-)

12-18-2010, 08:04 AM
I like the caricature Brian. I haven't tried doing caricatures but looks very interesting and fun.

I love the torn paper card, Janet. That Beam book is very intriguing...and takes a while to go through all the information. I enjoyed that black gesso, wax crayon and scratching ex. too!! Must try out more from her book soon.

Sandra, your anatomy drawings are excellent!! Very Italian Renaissance feel to this work. I would like to get an animal anatomy book too sometime.

I am snowed in!! We seem to be heading for a White Christmas.

12-22-2010, 01:59 AM
I like the caricature Brian. I haven't tried doing caricatures but looks very interesting and fun.

I'm sure it's fun for those who can consistently manage it. I struggle just to draw an even marginally accurate straightforward portrait. ;-)

And then there are nature's caricatures, like this knob-billed duck I saw in a local bird reserve a few days ago:


Yes, they really are known as knob-billed ducks, for obvious reasons. A second or two after I took this photo, this particular one was rather rudely shouldered out of the way by a huge catfish... ;-)

12-22-2010, 12:50 PM
What an unusual bird. He has very brilliant plumage to make up for the unfortunate beak addition.

Happy Holidays all! Those of you in colder climates, stay warm.

12-23-2010, 12:26 AM
What an unusual bird. He has very brilliant plumage to make up for the unfortunate beak addition.

Unfortunate from our perspective perhaps. The lady ducks find it absolutely irresistible. ;-)

12-23-2010, 12:27 AM
Brian, what colorful plumage there and the nob on the front just makes it so extraordinary. Thank you for the eye opener.

June, my Amazon animal anatomy books arrived. The Jack Hamm book is very good for that price. And the Eliot Goldfinger is extremely detailed on bone structures which I could compose from. One day, I'll do a composite animal of different species and build from there. And love the Daily Zoo 1.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/019...ef=oss_product (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195142144/ref=oss_product)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/193...ef=oss_product (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1933492341/ref=oss_product)


There's probably one more animal anatomy book I might buy but first, I'll work with the Goldfinger one and see if I need more. The Goldfinger one has skeleons and muscles, the Jack Hamm one is more surface look and foot positioning and general difference of animals and species.

Doodling a bit more these days. I'm tired of the anatomy course that keeps updating its video so very slowly.

Zebra F402 ball point


Margo, any sketches?

Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrates it. I'm just glad I would be able to sleep in finally. It had been a very stressful two weeks recently. I'm going to bed.

12-23-2010, 05:15 AM
Sandra....love your city doodle. Makes me want to get going with some art work. Have a wonderful holiday and may all your stress go away. :heart:

12-23-2010, 08:13 AM
Sandra - I ditto Janet - that sketch is energetic & motivational ( those are some of my favorite things!) Congrats on almost completeing the course:clap: . Hope you get some good rest.


12-24-2010, 07:53 AM
Merry Christmas, everyone. Here's something to soothe those jangled festive season nerves, plus an appropriate picture to look at while listening:



12-25-2010, 03:13 AM
Merry Christmas to all of you who celebrate it!

I spent Christmas Eve at the zoo and then went shopping with the family. And finally did some art tonight.

I bought some cheap panels from Dick Blick at and this 6x6 inch one I didn't gesso it.

So tonight I turned up my pancake griddle to over 250 degrees and worked my Mungyo oil pastel and a bit of Pentel oil pastel and a bit of Prismacolor pencils. They all melted nicely.

Now I put a sticky tab at the back and hang it on the wall. No need for frames. Not bad for $0.43.


12-25-2010, 07:46 AM
Not bad, indeed. Love the expressions on the faces of your animals.

Have a wonderful holiday.....janet

12-25-2010, 10:33 AM
I love this little guy Sandra

12-26-2010, 03:13 AM
He is very appealing with those big eyes, Sandra.

I am off to check on those animal anatomy links.

12-28-2010, 08:51 PM
sweet monkey, Sandra

Brian - thanks for posting that music - I'm gonna see if they have it on i Tunes.
It is beautiful.

I am trying to finish all the unfinished pieces I have had lying around for the last 4 months.....go into the new year with a clean slate......

12-28-2010, 11:51 PM
For the new year, I'm going to use up all my kid's old markers on their unused notebooks. I plan to draw more creatively and not follow only photos all the time.

Just before work, I saw the Mustang parked in front of me and I had to draw it for my middle son. He said he wanted a Mustang when he starts driving. The car is so sleek yet has such an attitude in its boxiness. A very well designed car for a boy. And of course when I saw a pix of a lizard, I have to draw it and make it mine. And I gave it a mutant creature for a meal.


I had so much fun composing this guy. At first he was a very old man but I gave him a body, some abs, a fishing pole....So now this is one of those once upon a time fighter turned fisherman in China. LOL.


12-29-2010, 01:05 AM
Brian - thanks for posting that music - I'm gonna see if they have it on i Tunes.
It is beautiful.

It is one of my all-time favourite pieces of choral music. If you like it, you might want to check out Renaissance choral music in general - it is every bit as beautiful as Renaissance art.

12-29-2010, 12:26 PM
great sketches Sandra, you do cars very well, mine are always abysmal which probably reflects my lack of interest in them. Like the fisherman quite a bit too.

One of my New Years intentions is to actually post some of my work. I'm almost finished with the Sketchbook Project book which I decided not to post here, it will be online at the Art House Coop Site, I payed them to scan it and that is sufficient for me. I also don't have to be concerned that my social commentary might offend some here, I'm dreadful at self censorship. Many of my comments were barbed to say the least.

12-29-2010, 10:03 PM
This is a drawing I have been working on of Venus/Aphrodite.

12-31-2010, 12:41 PM
great drawings Sandra, guess you finished the anatomy class.....you certainly have a firmer grasp on the subject, congratulations.....we all enjoy your art

Sara - great study of venus on the half shell, riding into a new year

Here is a little piece I'm doing various studys of.....silk screen & pen workhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Dec-2010/88676-pobrown_copy.JPG

12-31-2010, 12:42 PM
Wishing each one a happy new year....peace, love and strenght....God bless

12-31-2010, 01:52 PM
Sara very good drawing

Robin I love your potato bug stroll what an outrageous idea! So did you do both silkscreen and pen work or are you translating silkscreen with your pen?

I join Robin in wishing you all the most auspicious of New Years. May you all walk in Beauty.