View Full Version : Which black for Schmincke based set?

11-06-2010, 09:13 AM
Which black for Schmincke based set? i mean
17 099 069 D black
17 097 069 D serious black
and need black for darkening and when i need black. i search basic black. saddly getthing both messes my ideas. and even no i going order only few hues. and looks they use serious black in 200 colour set. but which in smaller sets i dont know. and i dont want premade sets (too many **,* hues).
ps. i cannot see before i get pastels.

11-06-2010, 06:15 PM
I don't use black in my pastels - I try to use only very intense, deep colors. So I don't have any idea what black would be best. Generally a very deep blue or very deep purple can substitute for a true black.


11-07-2010, 01:18 AM
It is my understanding that black flattens out your paintings.

11-07-2010, 09:50 AM
sometimes we need good black but not allways.

11-07-2010, 12:01 PM
If you go the Dick Blick website, you can click on the item number for each Schmincke pastel and get detailed information on the pigments used.

Serious Black is a combination of PBk8 (Vine Black), PBk7 (Lamp Black), PB60 (Indanthrene Blue), and PG7 (Phthalo Green).

Here's a link for more info:


Black is PBk9 (Ivory Black), PBk7 (Lamp Black), and PBk11 (Mars Black).



11-07-2010, 12:04 PM
Yes but this dont tell ansver i cannot still i know how they really look. and i looked their colour samples i dont see difference bit hpw darl they are o see dofferemce..

11-07-2010, 12:08 PM
The ordinary black is a nice deep dead black.

From the name, one can infer that the 'serious black' is even deeper, and from the pigment combo that it will be deep enough to fall into if one happens to stumble. :-) My guess is that this black glows with an 'anti-light', while still being very black. (Similar mixes in oilpaint are blacker than black, and livelier.)

11-15-2010, 12:50 AM
I asked form Schmincke serious black is more blue.(actually used pigments also says this there is pb 60 and pg 7 i think here...)
ps. my handmade (made by Pip Seymour) ivory black pastel is also usefull not black in anyway (something beetween dark grey and medium grey i think but pigment is ivory black) but nice to making dark hues with this i think w&n tint 5 comes tint 6(which dont exit in reality and now i hope these two problem hues in these handmade ones what i have are nicer in new pastels what i order someday at least more important hue should be smoother.....).at least winsor lemon works this way.:) i must check more this thing.
and when i test mixing today i see i dont need much pastels when they are carelly selected (few darks,many brights and no so few lights). i dont big set actually is too big to my room etc reasons.