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tgault
04-10-2000, 04:10 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/pep_&_zuc.jpg
In experimenting with watercolor techniques, I painted this still life using a process of applying heavy passages of saturated color to 140 lb. cold press paper and then lifting out middle and lighter values to create the volume of the forms. I also did this to the background to get the dark, soft edges. This is obviously not meant to be super realistic. I'm wondering what you all think of the effect.

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cagathoc
04-10-2000, 04:19 PM
The style of this piece is VERY appealing to me. May I ask how you lifted out your color? While the paper was wet? Or after dry with scrubbing? Or with a wet brush on dry paper? It looks so neat ---

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Cindy Agathocleous

"What if imagination and art are not, as many of us might think, the frosting on life, but the fountainhead of human experience?" - Rollo May from The Courage to Create

tgault
04-10-2000, 04:30 PM
Sure. First, I stretched my paper because I worked with it very wet for much of the process. I pretty much loaded up the brush (round) and filled in the entire shape I was working on. Then, after cleaning the paint out of the brush and squeezing out excess water so the brush was just damp, I lifted out the lighter values from the wet paint. The whole reason for this was to see how far I could push the intensity of the colors with watercolor paints. I wanted to try starting with intense color rather than building up layer after layer of washes.

paintfool
04-10-2000, 06:24 PM
TGault, I don't know enough about the water color process to comment, but i do know that if you're going for intensity you've managed quite nicley! wow! i like it!...Cheryl

oleCC
04-10-2000, 07:22 PM
Very nice indeed! I do like the overall style, colors and I use that same technique for "lifting" often. Sometimes I achieve a softer look (depending on the subject) by using Q'tips, or balled up soft tissue.
Looks good enuf to eat http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

msue
04-11-2000, 12:48 AM
I would say you have mastered this lifting technique. Very good indeed. What brand 140lb paper do you use?

kayemme
04-11-2000, 02:41 AM
hi!

nice painting overall; i think you have the lifting technique down. i also use watercolour and i've found a number of things you can lift with.. really anything absorbant.

to make foliage, sometimes i lay a colour down, then blot it with toilet paper.. wait for it to dry, lie another colour down.. blot, colour, blot.. you get the idea..

q-tips work wonders.. as do shirt sleeves when in a pinch.. i use the brushes sometimes after wiping them on my pants.

i've even used my hands as a lifter .. the heat and oil lifts and pushes away spots.. but this is purely experimental..


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paintfool
04-11-2000, 11:24 AM
Kayemme, let's see... you wipe your brushes on your pants & use your tee shirt sleeves to blot & lift....hmm...& they laughed at me when i used my ponytail to marbelize my studio floor! I guess we lend new meaning to putting ourselves into our work...Cheryl

tgault
04-11-2000, 01:11 PM
Thanks for all the input. This painting was done on Arches, but lately I've been using Lanaquarelle 300lb. cold press. Have yet to decide which I prefer. I'm definitely in experimental mode, having only done about 30 watercolors to date.

Thanks also for the tips on lifting paint. Was just reading elsewhere last night about using tissue to create suggestive impressions of foliage, etc. in landscapes as well. I'll have to try it.

As for fingers, pants, t-shirts and ponytails... I guess whatever works, huh?!

sandyartist
04-11-2000, 06:28 PM
Tim...the design and color of this is very strong..good doggone cropping to enhance the comp...stylized somewhat, but that is what you wanted..an' successful. Very decorative also...I know, I know, you hate that!//but it is true...this is very well done..kudos! S.

bobsart
04-11-2000, 06:38 PM
I'm not a watercolorist, however I have attempted it. Just thinking of doing one sends shivers, somewhat akin to fingernails across a blackboard. Anyway you do what you do well.........bob

jazzm
04-11-2000, 07:02 PM
I haven't experimented much with watercolour myself but all I can say is great Job! I have to agree with Sandyartist on the composition thing great cropping! By the way you must have read "Composition in Art" by Henry Rankin Poole!

tgault
04-11-2000, 08:11 PM
Sandyartist, thanks for the kudos. I don't hate that you called my work decorative. To be overly simplistic, I don't consider my work to be fine art, as it's not rooted in self-expression nor does it have any deep meaning (obviously! lol), nor any particular point-of-view in the context of art history. I do it just because I LOVE to create, especially with paint and brush. If I could make a career out of painting, even "decoratively", I'd be very happy. There... I've said it... please, show mercy... please, please, don't kick me out of the forum!

Bobsart, Thanks. If only I could really figure out "what I do", or maybe more accurately "what I want to do" with my art.

Jazz, I don't recall reading the book you refer to, but I've spent much time and effort learning composition in my schooling and career as a graphic designer. Not that I feel I've mastered the subject by any means. In fact, just the opposite. Inventing a good composition is probably the most difficult part of painting for me (although understanding proper use of value is right up there, too). I'm pleased you like this one!

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dzspag
04-11-2000, 09:34 PM
really nice tecnique...i love watercolors and especially fruit and veggies. you captured the complimentary colors extremely well. almost surrealistic and it works so well with the veggies filling the page. they act more as shape and volume than veggies...very sucessful...show us more

sandyartist
04-12-2000, 12:46 AM
Tim..darlin'..you do not find your art..it finds you!! Never introvert your motives, just keep true to what moves you and do it well..the end result will be that you will find success..by the way, my foot is grounded in sneakers an' not anyone's posterior..you are very, very safe for now. Keep painting...the design background will serve you well.S.

sandyartist
04-12-2000, 12:52 AM
Oh! 'n ssshhhh! Don't tell anyone this, but ART does not have to have DEEP meaning to be FINE...have seen many "meaningful" pieces that did not have that adjective attached..but that is our secret! It can and does exist unto itself.

sandyartist
04-12-2000, 03:03 PM
Jen..you are jus' toooo much...LOL!!! Sandy

tgault
04-12-2000, 03:37 PM
Jen! Very funny... I remember feeling exactly that way in art history class many times. But we wouldn't want to take the fun out of being an art historian, now would we?

cagathoc
04-12-2000, 04:44 PM
...it IS extremely senual! really! It has meaning for me. The shapes and the colors are yummy.


cindy

figgby
04-13-2000, 12:20 AM
reminds me of the work done in the 30's. modernists maybe. check in the time frame of leon kroll. I do like the pic

pixelscapes
04-13-2000, 12:39 AM
You don't have to worry about your work having deep, underlying psychological personal meaning...

A century from now, all the grad students analyzing your work will say that the full-bodied, sensuous richness and organic forms of your paintings were meant to express your sexual frustration. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Or maybe your illicit vegophilia? Or maybe they'll decide you were secretly obsessed with something else entirely. Who knows. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

Oh, and, I love the intensity of this painting. By the way. Man. Every time I see a critique discussion I want to try a new media! I don't have TIME for this! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

-=- Jen / Pixelscapes

kayemme
04-13-2000, 02:25 AM
the only thing i would've liked to see in this is a bit more orange or red, it may be the scan..

for me, it just leans too much on one side of the colour wheel.

you know i love it in every other aspect.. i shoulda mentioned this last time.. i meant to...



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kayemme
04-13-2000, 02:28 AM
cindy,

i'm noticing a trend with you.. i think it's the eggplant(!)..

fruits and vegetables i think are always somewhat sensual, especially when they're cut open. i saw a painting of some peas in a pod that almost made me pass out!

well.. that's another story all together.

keri

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pixelscapes
04-13-2000, 03:45 AM
Vegophiles! All of you!
Stay away from my young, innocent garden!! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Then again, I'm sure this obsession you ALL have with fruit and vegetables could be traced all the way back to the Garden of Eden. I mean, didn't we supposedly discover sex by eating fruit? Heh heh heh...

As for the actual art. Again. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Hmm. I guess it COULD use a little more red... but, not too much, otherwise I think it would dampen the contrast somehow. Maybe it would be more forgiving if it was a cool-toned red? (not that it will stay cool if you put it on top of that yellow... or will it?)

-=- Jen / Pixelscapes

cagathoc
04-13-2000, 08:01 AM
You artists are no different than engineers -tweak this, add that, we could always try this...


If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

(translation: don't add red)


cindy

pixelscapes
04-13-2000, 09:46 AM
The original question was what do we think of the effect, and it sounds like it's unanimously loved. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

-=- Jen / Pixelscapes

arlene
04-13-2000, 10:27 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/pep_&_zuc1.jpg

This is a beautiful piece and you certainly got the technique down. I love the stylized look of the vegetables.
The only thing that was bothering me was the shading on the table. Since the light is coming from the right top, then that's where the lightest part of the table should be also IMHO. This also would define the edge of the table better. Of course this is just a rough, and your colors on the table are much richer, [as they should be]

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tgault
04-13-2000, 03:25 PM
All,
Thank you for your feedback and suggestions, as well as the philosophical perspectives on what is/isn't fine art. I LOVE this forum and am thankful for the opportunity to improve my own work via your insights!

Tim

arourapope
04-18-2000, 11:49 PM
Your eggplant looks so real and yummy...I love the colors! Great job! Have you ever done any work with gouache?
Light,
Aurora

tgault
04-19-2000, 01:30 PM
Never in gouche, but I imagine I'd enjoy it. I've been wanting to work in oils lately, and sandyartist has me wanting to buy some pastels and try them out, too. So many media, so little time! :-(

sandyartist
04-19-2000, 03:23 PM
Tim...know the feelin' so many media, so little time..love; it all ...well, mebbe not watercolor..the white paper thingy drives me nuts, but do love gouache..it's an additive process like pastel or oil..works for me!! Sometimes we get stuck in the jack of all trades, master of none arena, so find ourselves having to pick first and second loves in media. Now, I find myself challenged by the 3D posture and lookin' to clay and cast bronze for satisfaction to intellectual pursuit..hey! Degas did..why can't I? Having a son who is a sculptor is a definite influence..so I say to you..try everything, then decide what suits your personal way of expressing and go for it!! Now..go out and bankrupt yourself for a set of pastels, some paper, an attic studio and get crackin'! We're only here once..I think..so make the most of everything..experiment! You may find the love of your life! Sandy

tgault
04-19-2000, 04:02 PM
Thanks for the encouragement Sandy! If you have a minute, do you mind recapping what brand of pastels and types of paper you recommend? I know I've read this info somewhere in your previous posts, but don't remember where.
Tim