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peter
04-07-2000, 11:17 AM
Hi Folks!

No, I did not select the title with the intention to make more people drop by and read my first posted topic. It just so happens that the painting really is a naked woman and I could'nt find a better title http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

This is my first oil-painting and when I had finished it, I felt somewhat proud since I thought it was a quite good first attempt. Now however I'm not that satisfied with it. There is no dynamic and the value is almost the same everywhere in painting. Same goes for the light.

I think that the best way to make it more interesting would be to darken the rightside background and enhance the backlight from the left (which is an open-fire light...or at least was intended to be one...one can hardly se it....), be more specific in the highlights and put the rest in to darknes. Some more colors would also do the painting more interesting ....and perhaps a cast shadow from a window or something on the body....from the moon perhaps...

I'm not sure that I will do any changes to the painting since it is my first one and that makes it a little special, dont you think? Something to show the grand children (in about 40 years perhaps) http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif ...but I whould appreciate your opinion and ideas on what to do with it (perhaps I should give it a go anyway....hmmm....).

Henrik! Will you get of my back now!? http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/NakedWoman.jpg


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bruin70
04-07-2000, 11:31 AM
i haven't seen your other thread so i don't know what's going on with this ,,,,,but you seem to have answered your own heart. personally, you method of depicting the human body is very stylistic, so i don't mind its flatness. you have also truncated the top and bottom in an unusual manner, so adding all that realism in light pattern might create ambiguity as to the direction you want to go. right now it's most definitely highly stylized. do you want to make it more,,,,,,"real"?.....milt

henrik
04-07-2000, 01:28 PM
P E T E R !!!!!
Welcome to Wet Chat.
(For the rest of you - Peter works just down the hall from me, and we see each other almost every day, I have never seen his oil paintings before and have been nagging him everyday to post).

Wonderful job Peter ! Enjoy WetCanvas.

peter
04-07-2000, 01:43 PM
Thanks Henrik! I surpriced you now, did'nt I? How many mounth did it take? http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
One strange thing thow...after posting this topic and starting to answer bruin70's replay to it (which was supposed to include a sketch-image), my PaintShopPro-evaluation period was terminated. On the same day I did my first post to WetCanvas.....is someone trying to tell my something...like "dont do this again!?" http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

bobsart
04-07-2000, 02:50 PM
WOW!!!

Is that what they look like in Sweden?

henrik
04-07-2000, 04:28 PM
bobsart, unfortunately yes - when is a poor man going to paint http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

henrik
04-07-2000, 04:43 PM
Peter, I have been thinking about your painting for a while, and how to solve the problem of the unfinished arms, head etc.

If you finish painting arms and head they are still going to be cut of at the edge of the canvas - and I don't know if that is much better. So... here is an option - let the woman hold some fabric, a veil (swedish=slöja), or some piece of clothing that she is pulling over her head - like she is undressing...
Then you let the clothing be cutof instead.

A veil would be a very interesting feminime contrast to the muscular body don't you think? ... although some sports garment would perhaps be more fitting (but sort of unsurprising)

If recommend extending the legs to the edge of the canvas if you go with the clothing/veil thing...

One more idea would be to invent some reason for the fabric to be part of the background.


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peter
04-08-2000, 12:48 AM
Hi! There is no previous thread on this topic. Why did you think there would be one?
Yes..the arms and legs truncation..right! That is a problem. My initial intention was to "fade away" the arms and legs by applying layer on layer with medium and some dark color. So when I painted the arms and legs I thought "well...why paint to the edge of the canvas since I'm gonna 'add fade' to it later" - which was a bit naive I think. It would have been better to paint the whole body instead and then fade it to darkness later on, I suppose!? I dont want to do it more realistic in terms of the body figure but I would like some suggestions on how to make it more "dynamic" and interesting in terms of light and value. A first step would perhaps be to do the arms and legs but then what!? Before starting with oil-painting I have only done sketching with pencil and charcoal, and painting with a "sketching" approach - as I believe I have done here - is perhaps not the best way of doing things!? If this body had been done in charcoal - which it initially was - it would have been ok to just end the arms and legs into thin air, but when doing the same thing when painting...I'm not so sure that it works...

bruin70
04-08-2000, 02:19 AM
peter,,,you mentioned something h had said so i assumed there was a previous thread. henrik,,,,this is a real clever way to add another post(that is,,,on a subject you could have addressed personally). but, i think you could have pulled it off if you didn't mention you two were within shouting distance from each other.

bruin70
04-08-2000, 02:20 AM
how many situps can this gal do?

bruin70
04-08-2000, 02:21 AM
peter,,,are you familiar with frank frazetta?....milt

peter
04-09-2000, 06:59 AM
Henrik, yes I have actually been thinking of putting something over her arms and sholders. Been playing with the idee that she just have had a bath and is drying of with some sort of towel or something. Funny that you had - sort of - the same thought. That would give some more context to the painting I think. Right now its just an overmuscular body....
Milt, I suppose that me and Henrik could have addressed this matter personally but I also appreciate other peoples idees and thoughts so I prefered to do it this way. It also more fun! About the situps I have to pass the question on to Mr Burne Hogarth (how illustrated Tarzan) and who did the original sketch which I altered, resketched/ enlarged and painted...although I believe she can manage quite many.... About Frank Frazetta...no, I dont know who that is but I did some queries on the web and found his homesite. I see what your getting at....sort of the same category...right!?

bobsart
04-09-2000, 09:29 AM
Hey guys, don't you find it strange that there are no comments from the ladies of the forum?

cagathoc
04-09-2000, 09:56 AM
Whoops! I commented in the chat but forgot to write anything here.


I think the painting is AWESOME! I wouldn't change a thing... I love the movement of the figure. It's senuous and interesting. I can see enough of the head that it doesn't bother me that I don't see the face. In fact I think a face would detract from the movement of the form... I would crop it where you started to blend it off the page and then hang it in your bedroom. That's where I hang pictures of this nature because I have two young children... http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

I especially enjoyed seeing a beautiful woman with a little thigh on her... http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

Like this:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/nudewom.JPG

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Cindy Agathocleous

"What if imagination and art are not, as many of us might think, the frosting on life, but the fountainhead of human experience?" - Rollo May from The Courage to Create

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peter
04-09-2000, 01:32 PM
bobsart, I was just thinking the same thing. I was almost beginning to believe that I had offended them in some way...

Cindy...finally a womans oppinion http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif I'm so glad you liked it! That will make me sleep a lot better tonight....and encourage me to ask about some other paintings that I have and need help with. I like your idee about cutting the painting where the arms start to blend. Why didn't I think of that!? Saves me the trubble of getting the colors right on the palette to finish her arms and legs. Great thinking! I also like what you are saying about the head...since I did not have the guts to paint it...beeing afraid to ruin the whole painting. Thanks again Cindy!

sandyartist
04-09-2000, 05:11 PM
Peter...'bout the time I figured out what artists your piece reminded me of ...MILT mentions one of them..Frazetta. There is another..Boris Vallejo, another illustrator of fabulous females..you may want to check him out also. I have 3 sons who are avid collectors of work (posters) of these guys..hhmmm...could be a "guy" thing..these muscled, yet voluptuous women!! My kids have been around nudes growing up, including their mother's paintings, they assume everyone is and have never questioned the human body as anything other than just the normal everyday stuff..mebbe tha's why 2 of them are artists! Anyway..I jus' have one question..do you think internal organs could really exist in that waistline???

arlene
04-09-2000, 07:10 PM
It's possible we didn't comment, cause we're trying to figure out how to get a body that looks even 1/2 that good...
But seriously, this is a very interesting take on the female form. If you do what Cindy suggested and crop it, I would darken and make shadows along the left side of her body to emphasize her line more.