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dhenton
04-05-2000, 06:57 PM
I have similar issues. like to paint astronomical art, which often involves little tiny figures in very BIG landscapes. I haven't solved this problem either, but I find it useful to look at how others handle it. In your case, I'd look at Peter Bruegel or the old masters who did the drawings of St Peters and the like. The issue is how do you find the 3 or 4 features that say "this is a man on deck. You might want to experiment with a photograph on your computer, reduce it, and then study how it looks to you, trying to extract the info needed.

HTH

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kayemme
04-05-2000, 10:22 PM
i think you would only want to suggest the people, because they would be so small, if you tried to get detailed, they'd be too big.

i'd practice a bit with tiny gestural figures.



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Drew Davis
04-05-2000, 10:32 PM
Exactly. At that scale, they can't be more than suggestions. The human brain will happily read all sorts of meaning into the oddest squiggles, as long as they give it just a little encouragement.

J.Dillon
04-06-2000, 12:21 AM
Here's a pen & ink I did a while ago of the Clipper ship Flying Cloud. I still have trouble doing figures on my ships so this one is manned by ghosts. How does one practice doing SMALL figures? I guess you just practice, any tips ? http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=259042&a=1928336&p=19001068&Sequence=0

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arlene
04-06-2000, 12:25 AM
Dillon,
This piece definitely is a ghost. take a look at your post.
But with that said... the ideal human figure is 8 heads tall. If you use that as your guideline, and then practice...
If you want later, email me and I'll email you back the proportions.

sandyartist
04-06-2000, 10:37 AM
Wow! This would drive me NUTS! All the rigging and exact proportions are not what I am good at...so little critique there. On the issue of figures, jus' make sure the proportion is correct...no need to have giants steerin' the ship..Drew is right..they probably should be only a gestural suggestion, so as not to take away from the meticulous detail of the ship, but still to imply the human element.

bruin70
04-06-2000, 08:46 PM
can't tell what the scale is here, but i'm assuming the figures are teeny tiny. at those extreme distances, all you want to do are indications. don't even attempt to do a whole figure. if you do, you'll probably make the figures too bold, and they'll stick out. some figs will be totally dark, others may be wearing something light,,,,in which case you won't see the light clothing. play with indications and losing shapes so you can let the viewer fill in the blanks......milt

bruin70
04-06-2000, 09:10 PM
i tried the paint program ...it sucks. so relegated these figures to simple circles and squares. note that things will always be lost and found, so don't delineate everything.all you need is indication, particularly the head. a group of heads make a crowd. in a cluster of heads, all you need do is delineate one or two figures and the viewer fills in the rest of the bodies. sometimes indicate the torso,,,sometimes the legs....milt

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bruin70
04-06-2000, 09:15 PM
well...nothing is uploading....milt

bruin70
04-06-2000, 09:16 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/Viewredo.jpg

J.Dillon
04-06-2000, 10:57 PM
Milt,
You did great. I can hardly beleive the crew the Flying Cloud has aboard. Are they planning a munity ? You got the scale just about right. I think I got the idea about letting the viewer fill in the blanks, it sounds like good advice.

Thanks JD

PS I will be posting another soon where the scale will be a bit larger and you can't fudge it will need more focused help.

bruin70
04-08-2000, 02:25 AM
the group in the center are playing shuffleboard. the group on the right are having a love fest,,,,,they've been asea quite a while.....milt

oleCC
04-08-2000, 02:55 PM
I have a special fondness for pen/ink drawings that have just a hint of watercolor here and there. I see some of that in the sails, but nowhere else.. did it get lost in the scanning or is that deliberate? I looked for a hint of color in the water especially.
I like this piece a lot !! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
Carol

J.Dillon
04-09-2000, 04:33 PM
Carol,

I didn't put any color in thr original rendering. The colors you see is a result of "electronics". JD

sandyartist
04-09-2000, 05:02 PM
Milt is, sigh, once again, RIGHT! the irregular placement of the figure/dots helps too..wouldn't want 'em all lined up on one side..the boat might capsize!