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03-17-2000, 08:08 PM

This is the most wonderful little place..that they are going to tear down to build yet another super drug store. I felt badly and wanted to record the feeling for history. I don't do figures very often...and almost never in watercolor..but this guy at the counter is Bill and he is there every single day. The counter was clean, but Bill gave me his plate to position so that I had reference. This piece was done from a series of photos from different angles...then put together. I am really pleased with the painting...maybe for the emotional aspect for me. Tell me what you think.


Phyllis Franklin
03-17-2000, 08:31 PM
Good use of color. I like all the elements that you have put into this piece, and I know that Bill must really like it too.

Hey....if you do another, you could paint the cafe chatters into the scene and make it your submission to the Cafe Project. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Phyllis Rennie
03-17-2000, 08:36 PM
I think you should be pleased!!! It's easy to see that you have an emotional attachment to the place. I'm not sure if the stool at the very bottom is in perspective with the countertop. Maybe someone else in this forum can be more help with that. Also I think that if you darken the car and sign behind Bill a bit, they will be less competition for the light items on the countertop. It's beautiful.

03-17-2000, 10:10 PM
The use of the curved countertop to lead the eye to Bill strikes me as very good. I would agree with darkening the cars outside. The focus should be inside. But that's not really a big thing, this is a great picture. It's too bad they're going to tear it down.

"Art is anything you can get away with." -- Marshall McLuhan

03-17-2000, 11:11 PM
the two stools are off perspective. especially because they are next to the counter, which is in proper perspective,,,so it becomes very obvious. the near stool is almost tangent to the counter. it should either be put farther away from the counter or overlapping it. the man is hunched over his plate. that's fine, but because his head is tangent to the edge, it appears as though he is ducking under the picture edge....nice atmosphere and rendering of the eatery. the full plate in the foreground brings a reality to the piece.....milt

03-18-2000, 09:56 PM
Beautiful reflections! (that's so hard to do...) I really love the rendering of the ice in the empty cup and the full plate of food. The front stool is a bit too high up, but I'm not sure how you would go about fixing it. BTW, your figures look great....

03-19-2000, 12:12 AM
I love the painting! When I was really a kid, my mom worked in an old hotel that had a cafe. your painting reminds me of it..I can just remember sitting on the stool and being able to reach the counter...always had a grilled cheese sandwich with a dill pickle on the side!

03-19-2000, 10:31 AM
Wow...you guys are right..the stool is way too high for the counter. Or as Bruin suggests, too close. I think that comes from combining photos from different angles. There is a little more to this pic than the scan shows...there is more at the top so that Bill's head really isn't that close to the end of the frame. I think I can tone down the cars outside, and if you look at the orig. the sign really is a grayish shade...but the stool will have to just be wrong..it is watercolor and not much correction room here. Thanks to all. Good constructive and useful critique.

03-19-2000, 01:33 PM
dzspag, i tend to have to agree with Bruin about the perspective of the bar stools, but really had to look for it. I respectfully disagree with darkening the car or sign. I think they are fine as they are. overall, i think it's a wonderful peice & wouldn't change a single thing. Hey... it's only my opinion!! Cheryl

03-19-2000, 01:37 PM
DZ This is wonderful..and what good work on the glassware and food ! I really like this piece. The outside car almost looks like a sign painted inside the bldg.. but you have already heard about that. Your figures are just fine. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif


03-19-2000, 06:46 PM
wonderful job!! this is watercolor??? great job on the figures, and it does give me an emotional feeling of going back in time to a time when there were more cafes like this. Very emotional piece for me!

03-19-2000, 11:07 PM

Fine Job. I like the atmosphere in the picture, beautifully executed. Like everyone said the only thing you have to work is on the bar stools, leave the car and the sign alone, they are just fine.


03-20-2000, 01:12 AM
the car to his back is ok. simple, clean and almost abstract, it pops the figure,,,good contrast. the cars on his front are a bit too complex for me. simplifying there might be an option. maybe toning down the contrasting cars. no need for all that busy-ness.

"he who thinks he know all and knows nothing is king in a kingdom of one,,,,,or a critic" - the kobe

03-20-2000, 09:37 AM
Nice handling of watercolor...lots of nice details to make me feel I am in the Cafe. I like your piece a lot.

03-21-2000, 12:28 AM
Like this piece a lot.
To me, the errors in perspective does not really jump out so I am not disturbed by that. The two cars seen infront of the man makes the scene too busy (as milt pointed out), but they also steal focus from the cluttered counter, thereby reducing the effect of the cluttered counter. If I were to change anything, it would be to address that area.

03-30-2000, 07:15 AM
Just want to tell you how much I like this painting! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif The only thing I didn't find correct is the stools, but people have already told you that. I like the atmosphere in the picture, the colors, how you got all the details so perfect... Great job! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

03-30-2000, 08:04 AM
What bruin last said is what I was trying to say...but as usual, he said it better http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

(referring to the cars) ty Milt


04-02-2000, 10:08 PM
DZ your cafe is just wonderful ,so there are a couple of tiny perspective faults ..aren't there always..I should know !! LOL .......I just love the way you led the eye into the picture with the curve of the bar and the whole picture tells a story ...love it.Keep Painting!

04-02-2000, 10:30 PM
Wonderful painting! It reminds me of Norman Rockwells work. I'm glad you saved a piece of history with your painting. Too much of our past disappears every day. This should be a popular work in your neighborhood.