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nancymae
01-05-2001, 10:14 AM
I just got through reading the pastels workshop....it was AWESOME!!! I want to go out and buy all the stuff to make my own now!! Love those triangular shapes Llis!!!

I have one question--where do you get all the materials???? I don't live near any type of art store...I usually get my supplies from Jerry's...Mr. Art, etc. Do you have recommendations on where I can get these things through cataglog??????

Thanks again for the great workshop!! I enjoyed the detail in which you explained all your procedures and methods. Also, your notes.

YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!!!! (Makes me wish I lived in the South!!!)

Nancy

llis
01-05-2001, 02:02 PM
It has just been announced on the front page of WetCanvas under the NewsWire, but here is a shameless plug --> http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ArtSchool/Pastels/MakingPastels/

Or, you can visit ArtSchool and see it. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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llis
01-06-2001, 12:03 AM
Nancy, glad you enjoyed the article, we sure enjoyed the workshop. Carly, Deb and I have really gotten to be close friends but we don't really live that close together. Deb has to travel from Florida, and it takes her almost 5 hours to get here. Carly lives a little over 2 hours from me. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/frown.gif We don't get to see each other often, but when we do...we have a blast!!! You are welcome to join us anytime. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I got all the materials from Terry Ludwig by ordering from his website (http://www.makepastels.com) . He has a kit that makes it easy.

I included a list of supplies just so if some already had a few supplies already and wanted to know what they were missing they could order from Terry or get them from other sources. If you use the kit from Terry, he includes a booklet that explains in greater detail what to do. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[This message has been edited by llis (edited January 05, 2001).]

bk7251
01-06-2001, 12:57 AM
Where can I read about this workshop?

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Barry Katz

CarlyHardy
01-06-2001, 05:19 PM
The workshop was a lot of fun....but I give all the credit to Phyllis (the mastermind behind the plot!). She just gave us instructions and we followed! With her organization, everything went very smoothly.

Great job with the online instructions, llis!
carly

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llis
01-14-2001, 06:51 AM
Thanks Carly....now, how are you coming with our next adventure? http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Deb
01-15-2001, 09:04 AM
Carly...What's our next adventure? http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Sorry to be so late replying. We did have a great time with the pastels but if it were not for all of Phyllis's hard work we would have been lost. She had everything organized and running smoothly. We had a lot of fun....She cooks good too http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

LDianeJohnson
01-16-2001, 12:07 AM
You 3 could take a trip to the Sennelier factory in France to do a live report! And of course do lunch!

Deb
01-16-2001, 12:11 AM
sigh...maybe one day Diane...and of course, you will have to join us! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

llis
11-08-2002, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by Artistry
You 3 could take a trip to the Sennelier factory in France to do a live report! And of course do lunch!

hey... maybe the entire pastel forum would like to take that trip and we could get Diane to take us. :)

jackiesimmonds
11-08-2002, 10:47 AM
great idea - count me in!
Jackie

llis
11-08-2002, 11:59 AM
Hey Jackie... does this mean that we could all stay at your house? LOL

pampe
11-08-2002, 04:41 PM
too much fun....but OK...I have to ask....


what's the savings?

How much was all the material and how many hours did it take?



*AND I WANNA GO TO SENNELIER WITH YOU...I speak the language!;) *

llis
11-09-2002, 04:46 AM
Savings.... tons of savings... did not figure the actually cost per stick, but I think it's about 5 to 1, making yourself, to purchasing.

Materials cost about $100.00. I have lots left over... have not made all the colors...but intend to.

The big reason to do this is the fact you have control over the color you make. Then you also learn a bit more about color theory. You also can control the softness of your pastel, and make them the shapes you like to use. I really love the triangle shapes. They are easy to hold and don't break as easily.


We really should consider having a WC! pastel discovery trip. :)

Christobal
11-17-2002, 10:25 AM
Hello,

I discovered this site with the very interesting Phillis Franklin's workshop about "making your own soft pastels".
I'm amazed not seeing any reaction about this article in the forums.

Didn't I search enough, or didn't anybody try ?

Well, I did, and I must say I spend already a lot of hours (days?)experimenting with pigments, chalk, solutions and so on....
And it works!

I followed precisely the described method, starting from scratch, making the solutions A, B, C, D and E without any problem, with phenol as preservative.

But the major question is : which solution for which pigment? I'd like to share experience about this question, because the trial and error technique is a time and money consuming method.

Here are the pigments I already tried with success, with the hope you will complete this list with your own results :

titane white : solution C
chrome orange : solution C
raw umber : preservative solution
burnt umber : preservative solution
raw sienna : solution E
vandycke brown : solution E
ocher yellow : solution E
brown ocher : solution E
red ocher : solution D
sanguine : solution D
black "iron oxide" : solution E
"le lion" red : solution C
"magenta" red : solution C (moisten with alcohol)
ultramarine violet : solution B
phtalo blue : solution E (moisten with alcohol)
cobalt blue : solution B

NB : I don't know which pigment is "Le Lion" red. This name comes from the shop where I bought the pigments.

Chris

llis
11-18-2002, 10:38 AM
You are right, much of making your own pastels is trial and error, but I'm glad you have shared your experience. This article is scheduled for republication and I'd love to include these thoughts as well as others that have been sent to me.

To answer your question... he is a short list that might help a bit on deciding with combinations of solutions to use for which pigments.

Solution A:

Cadmium Red
Cadmium Yellow
Cadmium Orange
Alizarin Crimson


Solution B:

Cerulean Blue


Solution C:

Titanium White
Zinc White,
Ivory Black
Viridian
'Phthalo Blue
Ultamarine Blue
Cobalt Blue
Mrs Violet
Chromium Green Oxide


Solution D:

Raw Suebba
Yellow Ochere
Indian Red
Prussian Blue


Solution E:

Burnt Sienna
Terre Verte


As with all recipes, the cook is the final judge. Remember to write down each step you take and the results you obtain. Then when you have a successul mix to your liking, you can reproduce those results each time you need them. :)

Dillon
12-13-2002, 03:36 PM
i just wanted to let you all know that the pastel making kit that Terry Ludwig used to make is no longer being made. i tried to order one last week, and was told they are no longer in production. :(

so if anyone knows of some place that makes a similar kit, please let me know. i would love to make my own pastels, but im a little weary of getting separate supplies myself.

thanks

KarenU
12-13-2002, 04:56 PM
Here is an alternative that you might find interesting. I've not tried it so don't have any experience with it.

WALLIS PURE PIGMENT MOIST PASTELS

http://www.dakotapastels.com/pigsfix_wallis.shtml

llis
12-13-2002, 07:33 PM
Dillon:

Did you try here? They might still make them up per Terry's instuctions. :)

http://www.dakotapastels.com/pigsfix_terryludwig.shtml

Christobal
12-14-2002, 08:42 AM
Dillon,

Why don't you try the "from scratch" method described in the workshop? I assure you it's really easy and cheaper than the premixed things.

Chris

Dillon
12-15-2002, 12:33 PM
thanks everyone

i tried dakotapastels.com, but they get it from terry, so even though its on their web site they cant get it.

i think i am going to try and but all the supplies myself and do the from scratch method. its gunna be interesting..........

Dillon
12-16-2002, 05:50 PM
sorry

i meant buy all the supplies myself

KarenU
12-16-2002, 06:41 PM
Dillon....I'd love to hear how it goes for you after you get all your supplies and try your first batch!