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scottb
02-23-2000, 10:30 AM
Hey gang - I spent a few hours whipping up this little 9x12 yesterday. Curious as to your thoughts. I think the orange in the water may be a bit much, didn't really notice it until later, but oh well. Paint is still wet, I can always correct - hehe.

The larger version can be seen in my gallery (click on the "www" link (the house) below):
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Gallery/B/Scott_Burkett/fall_beginnings_small.jpg

Cheers.
Scott

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Electra
02-23-2000, 11:13 AM
Fall beginnings... this is the one you saved instead of the camera? Is the pun in the title intended?

I think it's very good.. the water effect is nice. But somehow the reflectionns don't add up. You can't see any of the bank in the water.. and the cloud, if it were that far back.. would not occupy so much of the reflection, if any at all. I'm also not sure where the orange is reflected from.

Otherwise I like it very much!


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scottb
02-23-2000, 11:41 AM
Yes, this is the one I saved when I dropped the digital camera. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I see your point about the cloud - makes sense. Perhaps I can work over say the top 2/3rds of the cloud with water, that would level it out a bit.

The orange happened when I got carried away - too much paint on the brush when I started softening the water - big blob left on the canvas. I should scrape that off and put in some more of the darker color in the water.

Cheers.
Scott

bruin70
02-23-2000, 11:58 AM
scott,your cloud is rather,,,,,,,er,,,,omnipresent. clouds are simply done in two values. a light, where the sun hits it,,,and a dark shadow. or,,,just one value. you have three. simplify. trees.....well now...a little tricky. they're solid,,,,yet you see thru them in areas. many do what you did,,,but the result is that you've "poked holes" in a solid mass. the best way to look at trees is in two layers. the backend layer,and the front. the front is the part of the tree you have described. but trees are full, so how do we show all that thickness. the best way is to make the backend transparent, usually warm greenish neutral or somesuch. this implies thickness but ALSO the idea that it is NOT solid,,,,that it can be seen thru....so...you approach a tree by first laying in the transparent underthickness, then overlay it with your front side. the best and most onvious example is corot and inness. http://sunsite.auc.dk/cgfa/corot/p-corot6.htm http://sunsite.auc.dk/cgfa/corot/p-corot10.htm http://metalab.unc.edu/wm/paint/auth/corot/orpheus.jpg http://sunsite.auc.dk/cgfa/i/p-inness2.htm what layering does is to soften the leaf edges so the trees don't look like they were cot out of cardboard. it's hard to see in the inness(the last link), and the full tree corot,,,but that is why their trees are soft yet full....milt

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henrik
02-23-2000, 01:49 PM
Scott, you need to remove the reflection of the cloud. In order to produce the reflection now seen, the cloud would have to hoover over just above the fence!
There should be a reflection of the fence.

Mich451
02-23-2000, 01:52 PM
Scott-
If you follow the main trunk of the tree up from the ground, there are two patches of sky ,one above the other, that show sky where the trunk should be. They should be painted as foliage or bark.

bruin70
02-23-2000, 04:10 PM
then here's the best process for your layering. first:TRANSPARENT undertones-dark or midtone. second:main body of the tree-dark opaques. third:light parts of leaves- only a LITTLE lighter than the dark body. think of the mass of the tree, not the indivisual leaves. when you make "holes" in the trees, use a few shades darker than your sky color, otherwise the holes will look harsh...milt

bruin70
02-23-2000, 04:51 PM
here's your tree...the mouse way. i airbrushed a veil of transparency that,,,,,
evened out the lights and darks in your tree. now, they're not as harsh....closed or cut down the holes in the tree....give the appearance of thicker brush yet still airy as is evident in leafy trees....reduced the hardness of some extended branches. enlarge my image to 4x and you can see that you need only selectivty to enhance an image. i came back and darkened the meat of the tree. added selected hilites(not strong). a few holes here and there, especially in the thinner area of the tree on the perimeter. i even threw in the same tree hilites outside the tree to act as random leaves.....milt

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/fallbeginmilt.jpg

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scottb
02-23-2000, 11:15 PM
God, I'm glad I created this site. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Excellent suggestions, all. The paint is still wet on this one - perhaps I can do some correcting this week or the weekend.

Bruin, I see what you mean about the tree. Yours looks much more like a tree.

Henrik - yeah, I think if I pushed the cloud reflection down lower, and added a bit of a reflection of the bank into the water, it will look better.

Thanks all!
Scott

scottb
02-24-2000, 12:25 AM
Bruin - as always, thanks much for your comments - they are always insightful!

The color in the clouds was an effort to throw a little life in there - you are right, though - it doesn't really harmonize well with the rest of the piece. Hmmm. I'll bet scumbling some various mixes of white and yellow ochre ought to do the trick. Will look at that...

I did actually paint the tree in layers - three of them. The underpainting, dark solid mass, the mid tones, and a fewhighlights. I think the problem may be just too many skyholes. The right side of the tree looks okay, so does the far left - it's just the middle that looks a bit hokey.

Time to make some changes!

Thanks!
Scott

henrik
02-24-2000, 04:03 AM
Scott, the cloud can not cast a reflection in the water at all unless it is hoovering just a few feet above ground.

Use a mirror; place it on a table arrange the scene with props in apropriate scale; place yourself in the viewing position corresponding to your painting. Now try to place the cloud so that it makes a reflection.

Just because it is next to your tree in the painting (2d space) it is far away in 3d space.

scottb
02-24-2000, 08:49 AM
Doh! You are absolutely right, Henrik. Time to grab the old palette scraper... http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Thanks!
Scott

henrik
02-25-2000, 12:01 AM
Scott, please let me know if there is any further trouble I can give you http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif