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henrik
02-17-2000, 05:53 PM
The Gamelan Player thread (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7187) is beginning to load slowly (many pictures). The story continues here.


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[This message has been edited by henrik (edited February 17, 2000).]

henrik
02-17-2000, 05:55 PM
Here are pieces of the original photo. (I just projected it onto a white canvas and took the picture - they are a bit out of focus...).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/gshirt1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/gshirt2.jpg

bruin70
02-17-2000, 11:04 PM
this one's easy , henrik. i will edit to clarify the values and post later....milt

henrik
02-18-2000, 02:51 AM
Thanks milt, I don't think it will be very difficult either - looking forward to the next post.

bruin70
02-18-2000, 10:45 AM
here's the shirt without the hilites. now you see the simplicity of the values. mostly two values. if more,,,they are subtle.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/gshirtnohilite.jpg

bruin70
02-18-2000, 10:49 AM
the arms and lower shirt(under the hand) can be attacked like sargent's treatment of mrs white's dress in less light(where her trail lays on the floor behind her). two simple and closer values because there is no direct light to make any harsh contrast( at least, that's how i would do it). the main shirt can be treated the way sargent did the huge fold on the dress on our left. note how he does subtle shadings, but is NOT really blended,,,to show the crispness of the material.
i emphasized the crease in at his elbow. i felt it important to show where the arm breaks. my hiliting is clean. you see it especially on the sleeve, where i did it similiar to the hilites on the instruments earlier. i broadened the main hilite on the front shirt to outline the hand better. and kept the hilites on the far arm and shirt bottom simple. i made a simple indication of a background to catch part of the player's form....i did not outline him completely. let his shape move in and out. the main idea, henrik, is to eliminate and simplify AS MUCH AS YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH, and still maintain the integrity of the satin shirt. that is the basic concept of EDITING in art. (ps,,,i'd avoid getting carried away with all those squiggly hilite lines)...milt

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/gshirtfinal.jpg

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"he who thinks he know all and knows nothing is king in a kingdom of one,,,,,or a critic" - the kobe

[This message has been edited by bruin70 (edited February 18, 2000).]

Patti
02-18-2000, 01:05 PM
Yes! It has been fascinating so far. Henrik will be busy this weekend...
Milt, how do you pull the hilites out of a painting to see the other values?
Pat

bruin70
02-18-2000, 06:12 PM
well patti,,,,,as per example,,,i looked for the "halftone". this vague term which, among other things, is the "true" color of the object. this is not found in direct,full light because the light would bleach out the true color. it is usually found somewhere as the form turns, between full light and shadow. in the case of the satin shirt , it was easy to find true color, erasing the hilites was easy because they are so specific on the satin sheen.
hilites are easy to find. the problem is that few know where they are.HILITES ARE NOT FORM LIGHT. light defining form follows the form and molds it. hilites are accents that usually hit high spots. in a head, for instance, you see hilite on the nose, lip gloss, sparkle in the eye. once again,,,hilites don't form they ACCENT....milt

CarlyHardy
02-18-2000, 08:32 PM
I agree with you Henrik..I've been following the pics and Bruin's advice...learning a lot...it would make a good article!

Phyllis Rennie
02-18-2000, 08:37 PM
Henrik, I visited your page @ Artistnation yesterday. Is this painting a departure from your usual style? Or did you just not include pieces similar to Gamelan Player in that gallery? Just curious. Phyl

henrik
02-19-2000, 12:34 AM
Milt, I understand exactly. Thanks for all the great advice. To everyone following this thread... don't you think that thanks to Milt's input this will turn out to be a great tutorial once it is finished?

henrik
02-19-2000, 02:09 PM
Phyllis, the stuff in the gallery was made 1979-80. Since then I have not painted much. I made one realistic painting 2-3 years ago (I can't show this due to copyright of the original photo), and just recently started painting again.

I will eventually venture back to the twisted stuff, or do one once in a while.

djstar
11-10-2001, 02:25 AM
the first half of this post is at this link (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7187) but the old posts links don't work.
Milt recommended this post for some of us in the class and I sought it out and am bouying it up to the top... especially since the front end it locked up.
dj*

jerryW
11-10-2001, 06:03 AM
is bruin70 the milt you have been learning from dj?

djstar
11-10-2001, 10:43 AM
yup.
but his website www below is out of service.
Poor man is going to have to make a new one now. Especially since his anonynimity blown.
dj*

jasper
11-10-2001, 12:23 PM
Milt, thanks for taking the time to talk about this ... I appreciate your talent and examples.

Don't blend the highlight! pounding that into my head ;)

jeanette*