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Gisela
02-07-2000, 07:19 PM
Well, I'm trying to put those new pastels to good use. Gee 185 colors and I used about a dozen. Hmmmmmm! This piece is 15"x21" , done in pastels on Sabertooth paper. I think the reflection on the lower left still needs a bit of work, as do the rocks behind it maybe...tell me what you think! I'm posting this so everyone can have a little taste of the weather we've been having in Ohio. LOL
Gisela

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/RkyRiver.JPG



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llis
02-07-2000, 08:26 PM
looking good!!!!
darken you water close to the bottom
see you in chat tonight! Phyllis, aka lizzz

bruin70
02-08-2000, 06:50 AM
i posted upside down
gisela,,i like the style. it reminds me of ben stahl, i think.
look at the background area thru the bridge. the trees are regimented and the snow mounds need variety as well. also the snow mounds in front of the bridge.
the dark area is,,,,,,,dark. i'm guessing you kept the area behind the trees dark because otherwise the tree stood out too much. in this case, i think your style works better when everything is in light. either the water patch needs to be a different color or eliminated. it serves no purpose and it is a complex realistic detail that doesn't fit your graphic style. try another color and value, and if it still doesn't work,,,,eliminate it.
the horizontal at the bottom is not necessary because...
1... it's minor importance
2... you can't tell what it is, so it only serves to confuse
when attacking small areas as that, ask yourself if what you put there is significant, or if will confuse ...milty

i just had a thought...the dark trunks in the background,,,they have no corresponding top. you may only need but a few if any...

on second read thru,,,the snow mounds seem ok because you're very stylish, g. up to you.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/RkyRiver3.JPG

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henrik
02-08-2000, 07:25 AM
Just one small thing; the blue up front does not connect with the blue under the bridge - these areas are separated with a white string of snow going of canvas to the right. An opening in the snow allowing the blue to connect from front to back may improve the flow.

BTW the picture looks like Sweden in the Summer http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

bruin70
02-08-2000, 08:10 AM
howz about more color...milt

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/RkyRiver4.jpg

bruin70
02-08-2000, 08:23 AM
push a strong idea and make it stronger! so here's MORE tree! and let's pop that blue!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/RkyRiver5.jpg

bruin70
02-08-2000, 08:26 AM
you get the idea. play around with the image. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/RkyRiver6.jpg

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henrik
02-08-2000, 01:02 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/RkyRiver-hl1.jpg
I could not help myself... With bruin's edits on the trees, see how this edit fits in to create a nice "read" from the water in front, under the bridge, to the stones (a little highlight there), and then up through the forest to the sky.

There should be some more highligts if the light comes from the left behind the bridge.

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Gisela
02-08-2000, 02:29 PM
Thanks so much guys.
Bruin, I think the horizontal at the bottom is the board...or do you mean the mound of snow in the lower left corner? The colors didn't come out too well in the photo...the water really has a more green cast to it and the dark area on the left is some scraggly bare shrubs and a couple of evergreens behind that. Even so, it is...dark. I'm going to lighten that up a bit and show some of the area under the bridge on the left. I'll try lightening up that patch of bare water too. I think I was trying to make it too different from the ice.
Henrik, I very much like the break in foreground through the snow. I'm going back to my easel to see if I can get some of this done while I still have good light for a more accurate photo.
Thanks,
Gisela

Gisela
02-08-2000, 04:19 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/RRiver2.JPG

Well, here are some modifications on the real piece (not digital). http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif I lightened it up behind the trees on the left, worked on the reflection in the pool of water, added a few dark treetops above the bridge and created a new channel in the river. Hmmm, have to fix that left tree, now it's wider on top than in the middle.
Gisela

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henrik
02-08-2000, 04:47 PM
Gisela, what did you think of bruin's treatment of the trees?

Looking at it again; it is difficult to determine where the light comes from (I thought it came from a low sun left behind the bridge; that way the area we see through the bridge could be brighter; highlights on the stones and the slope going up between the trees perhaps...

The lightning of the left side looks good; unfortunately now there is not such a good explanation why the hole in the ice is so dark. It looks like you have tried to fix it, but I second bruin on the advice to lose it.

Phyllis Rennie
02-08-2000, 07:55 PM
Looks like you're having the same kind of weather that we are. 30" of fluffy white in one week.

I'm confused--is it running water or ice? Phyl.

Gisela
02-08-2000, 08:07 PM
Phyllis,
It's ice,with a light dusting of snow, except for that open patch in the foreground.
I'm having trouble letting go of that patch of water...maybe I'll move it to where it can give a more interesting reflection.

Henrik,
I like what Bruin did with the trees alright, but I'm working in pastels and I don't think this suface can take that much reworking... http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
Gisela


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bruin70
02-08-2000, 10:41 PM
g,,,don't take anything i do literally. i just wanted you to explore. the upside down thing is a good way to review your decisions. the patch of water is a toughy to describe. lots of times you'll see something in real life or photo, and take it for granted because you assume its reality. the fact is some things are difficult to translate, as is, to an art piece. i fear this water patch is one of those. would you like to see what i would have done to your piece?....milt

Gisela
02-09-2000, 12:04 AM
Yes Bruin, please show me...I have great respect for your work and opinion. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Gisela

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bruin70
02-09-2000, 09:53 AM
your modifications look good ,,,g. the left side is not as heavy as it was before.

Phyllis Rennie
02-09-2000, 08:11 PM
Before you give up on the patch of open water, maybe you could try giving the ice around it a thicker edge--even if it only appears to be an inch thick. And usually when a stream freezes, the ice expands upward and there is a space between the bottom of the ice and the top of the water.
It's does look better without the horizontal in the foreground. Phyl

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Bruce Rohrlach
02-12-2000, 09:46 PM
Nice piece Gis ! - the final version is looking good. Like your big mound of slanting rocks on the base of the right-hand-side pylon. Lots of variability in the dark shapes poking thru the snow works well. I think the water patch and reflections were better in the first version and agree with Phyllis regarding a defined edge on the water patch. Like the way the blue and orange complement each other. I'm sure this means something in "colour theory". I'll post an underwater scene shortly where I also use orange on blue which seems to fit well together.

Bruin - noticed you posted upside down on purpose ?! Also noticed another post you made on Henriks Gamelan Player regarding viewing the piece upside down. Can you expand on what you are looking for when you do this ??

Drew Davis
02-13-2000, 09:49 AM
Like the way the blue and orange complement each other. I'm sure this means something in "colour theory".


I think it means that blue and orange are complementary. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Gisela
02-13-2000, 02:40 PM
Thank you all for your comments! I've been staring at the painting for days. Think maybe I will turn it to the wall for a couple of days (or maybe upside down), before I decide whether or not it's finished.
I've looked at it way tooooo much. Eye cramps! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
Thanks!!!
Gisela

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Mich451
02-13-2000, 03:26 PM
Remember, the old saying, be careful what you ask for, you may get it. Ask 100 artists about 1 painting and you'll get 100 different ideas.

bruin70
02-14-2000, 12:46 AM
bruce,,,,for one thing, the artist gets too comfy painting one piece, and overlooks errors. he's too close to the piece. the idea behind looking at the painting up/down is to get a new AND ABSRTACT perspective on the art. the rational eye can make an excuse for any error on a canvas. many times a large mistake is an accumulation of many smaller mistakes that, supporting one another, justifies a large mistake.
when you see your work in "abstract" there are no points of realistic reference. so flaws become obvious. but it is not only to find flaws. an abstract point of view can help to build a composition,,,unencumbered by your eye telling you what is "logically" right. if you do a portrait, and something is just not right but you don't know what it is,,,,,,turn it up/d and look for the errors in alignment. this is probably the best example of what i'm trying to say.....milt

Painter
02-14-2000, 02:39 AM
Right on Bruin! I like the way you revised picture bringing some of the dark of the trees under the bridge up into the rest of the painting.

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Jen
02-15-2000, 04:15 AM
I just love this landscape, especially with the modifications as done in the learning gallery.

If it was for sale (and I could afford it!) I would buy it for myself.

CarlyHardy
02-15-2000, 05:48 PM
I work with the canvas upside down sometimes too..but one of the ways I check my 'what is wrong feeling' is to take the painting and hold it up in front of a mirror...seeing it in reverse helps me a lot too.
ch clements