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seaking
02-10-2000, 02:50 PM
Pat,
It would be a shame if not a sin to scrap this painting as a lost cause. I think it is beautiful. I know nothing about composition or values or perspective or any of those kinds of words in application, but I know what I like when I see it. And I like this painting. Adelphia

henrik
02-10-2000, 03:14 PM
Patti, again a beautiful painting. It is really interesting to see this and compare it to "Summer Place". At first I did not remember that you painted that too - and I was going to use Summer Place as an example of what could be improved in this painting.

There is really nothing wrong except that there is no strong focus; what is it that you are trying to tell us; a story about the boathouse, or something in the foreground? Also, just as in Summer House there are objects dragging attention to the sides of the painting (there is for instance a white buoy (spelling?) far right that is attention grabbing.

Some suggestions; if you want the foreground to be more interesting you could add a birds nest; some eggs or something. Maybe baby-birds and have mommy bird fishing a bit further out. Or add a boat tied to one of the poles; pehaps with a picknick basket, a blanket, some wine and stuff. Well - just invent something...

It might be difficult to make small things in the foreground come in focus since the big boathouse and boats are detailed - you would probably have to do something about them (seems like a shame).

If instead you want to emphesise the boathouse and boats; try lightening them up; put some refelction in the water; smack some light on them (as Bruin says). Then you will see what you need to do to the foreground.

Water is also a bit too blue.

Don't throw it away. It is probably not difficult to fix.

henrik
02-10-2000, 04:04 PM
Patti, I like the grass up front a lot. It reminds me of Swedish Art Noveau painter Carl Larsson (he in his wife are the creators of 'the Swedish style'). One painting in particular come to mind; I have not found a very good picture of it om-line; but it is featured on this calendar: http://museum-shops.com/artist/larsson/lso8501.htm

More info about Carl Larsson is found at http://www.clg.se/

Patti
02-10-2000, 04:29 PM
Thanks Henrik. I followed your link. I was not familiar with the name right off but I do
recognise his work and I really like it. I'll have to run over to the library.
Pat

seaking
02-10-2000, 05:13 PM
Hi Pat,
In my mooooooost humble opinion....This is what I see.
a distant storm brewing in the sky, no sails on the boats, dark water, grass blowing in the foreground...essence of ominous weather

How'bout...a slight tip on the boats, add a little current/currant??(the movement not the berry...chuckle) like around the piling in the water and a few tiny whitecaps?
Regardless it is still beautiful...Adel

Patti
02-11-2000, 12:14 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/Mystic_Seaport.jpg

Hi everyone! This 24X36in. painting frustrated me so much that I decided to put my brushes away for a while...that was about 18 years ago... I am thinking of reworking it if only to torture myself. I have long since lost the photo I was working from, which is probably a good thing. I now know that the values are too similar but what about composition? Is it a lost cause? Also this was done with the oil, damar, and turp mixture but seeing as how inhaling turp in an enclosed area is no longer in vogue, can I use a turp free blending mixture on top of it? I have several cans of Shiva oil medium that I picked up somewhere but have never tried out. Thanks,

Pat

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henrik
02-12-2000, 05:44 PM
Hi Patti, I fooled around with your picture a little just to try out some ideas. Some of it may work...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/Mystic_Seaport-hl1.jpg
Here is what I did:
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Removed the big white buoy to the right
I felt the water was too saturated in color, so I grayed it
I painted in a dingy tied to the post in the water; looked awful so I took it out again http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
Lightened up the big boathouse
Darkended highligts on the houses to the right, and the boat in the middle
Took out the chimney (later painted over that area with trees)
Softened the far left and right - took out details; then opened up the left side to let sea and sky meet - now focued moved more to the middle.
moved the masts of the boat to the left towards the middle (easy on the computer http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif ) Focus now moved even more to the center.
Felt that the land mass cut the painting almost in half so... Tried to shape the land to create a triangle (tip to the left); moved the area below the gray houses on the right down, worked on the trees to the left and right etc. Think more can be done on this; perhaps adding some small boats or something between the big boathouse and the gray houses (just above the white spec) to fill out that nitch in the triangle.
Added reflections in the water
Brought some warm color into the grass up front.
Adjusted the perspective on the big boathouse some by taking of a little on the right side
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I think some clouds would be nice too.

Patti
02-14-2000, 11:56 AM
Henrik, I adore you. I wanted to play around on this on the computer myself over the weekend but the weather here has been bad and my son was not giving up control of the mouse. There is so much more depth to the painting with the adjustments you have made!
Thank you so much for your time and talent, I will get to work on this.
yours,
Pat

henrik
02-14-2000, 03:57 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/redface.gif
Patti, I enjoy doing this - my paintings take for ever to finish so trying to help others is a way for me to train seeing whats "wrong" and apply whatever knowledge I picked up (mainly) from books. I find it is so much easier on someone elses work when decisions about what should stay or go is not weighted down by emotional things and the amount of effort put into some detail best left out from the painting.

Your kind and positive feeback is much appreciated. Good luck with the painting.

Patti
02-14-2000, 07:40 PM
Henrik, didn't mean to embarrass you. Your efforts have been very much appreciated which is why I posted this painting. It has been hanging as is in our spare room for all these years because I like the subject. I knew it needed work, but not what specifically and you know sometimes the longer you look at something the less objective you are about it.
By the way I like your site, you must put some more work up for us to enjoy.
Thanks again...I am off to paint...
Pat

henrik
02-14-2000, 08:04 PM
Nah - you did not embarrass me - please adore me http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/cool.gif
(That was what I wanted to write in the first place but my modesty forbade me).

Will put up more paintings - just have to paint the darned things first.