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trafford
10-01-2010, 01:34 PM
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With Halloween coming up this month I thought we might try a little Gothic art. (;) Now extended to 2 month project: oct and Nov)!!

from Artcyclopedia:

5th Century to 16th Century A.D.

Gothic Art is the style of art produced in Northern Europe from the middle ages up until the beginning of the Renaissance. Typically rooted in religious devotion, it is especially known for the distinctive arched design of its churches, its stained glass, and its illuminated manuscripts.

In the late 14th century, anticipating the Renaissance, Gothic Art developed into a more secular style known as International Gothic. One of the great artists of this period is Simone Martini.

Although superseded by Renaissance art, there was a Gothic Revival in the 18th and 19th centuries, largely rooted in nostalgia and romanticism.

Ok, I'm learning as I go along...and the Gothic period is quite fascinating.

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Abbatiale Carvings

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Granach Paridiso

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Gruenwald Monsters

trafford
10-01-2010, 02:15 PM
Here are more images and links:

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St George-Stained Glass
Hermitage, So Germany 1400-1410

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Notre Dame

and links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_art
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Gothic

This a really good one that includes illuminations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Gothic

Some artists:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Cranach_the_Elder
note: Paradiso was done by Cranach not Granach, as I wrote above.:eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Gr%C3%BCnewald

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Martini

A couple of beautiful You Tubes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLuUrad5-hA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Z1gxGhRQQ

Please have fun and do any Gothic style you wish, even your own idea. Post what you do and have fun. Since I'm new at Gothic, please add any information you want......janet:cool:

trafford
10-01-2010, 02:31 PM
I'm really out of it today...I posted the link International Gothic twice. Here is the one with the best info http://witcombe.sbc.edu/ARTHgothic.html An aspirin and a nap for me. :)

gakinme
10-01-2010, 04:13 PM
Ooh, yes, gothic stuff!!!!! I don't really know what gothic means but I'll read up. But love the paintings already. I want to copy to my heart's content this month. Thank you, Janet.

jacquip
10-01-2010, 09:42 PM
This looks really fun. I've never really looked at Gothic, and like Sandra don't know exactly what it is. I do love all the gargoyles though. Will surely have a go at this.

brianvds
10-02-2010, 08:52 AM
I love Gothic art, especially the late Gothic works, like the early Netherlandish artists. Their work is on such a high standard that I'm always kind of terrified to try copying it, but now I have an excuse... ;-)

artbyjune
10-02-2010, 10:31 AM
This is certainly inspiring. I like gargoyles, illuminations, and the revival with animal monsters etc...all very imaginative!!

gakinme
10-02-2010, 06:27 PM
Here's the first one.

Japanese calligraphy brush pen and Chinese brush and ink

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Oct-2010/86669-goth1.JPG

azulparsnip
10-02-2010, 08:10 PM
Yes, this is a wonderful opportunity Janet. Thanks for all your work.

Sandra - great copy!

gakinme
10-02-2010, 09:51 PM
Thank you, Robin. Here's the second piece.

Cretacolor pastel carre sticks
65 lbs khaki green cardstock with clear colorfix pastel ground 8.5 x 11 inch

At one point I wanted to abandon it because it was so ugly. Now it didn't look so bad after one hour.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Oct-2010/86669-goth2.JPG

azulparsnip
10-04-2010, 07:27 AM
Sandra - you've got alot down with the minimal color. Alot of tension and the depth on the grapes is wonderful...like they are fighting over those beautiful grapes.

trafford
10-04-2010, 04:20 PM
Sandra, the first one was a detail of...I never found out what...I like the brush strokes your use, very fast and defining. The second one is wonderful. Don't know whether to be scared or burst out laughing. It's great. :cool:

gakinme
10-05-2010, 01:01 AM
Thank you, Robin, Janet.

Alright, I tried copying the pieces but just got distracted by my own ideas. Anyway, some monster and some ghastly business anyway. :lol:

This is Copic Sketch marker in the first one. The freedom I have doodling the monster cannot be achieved using watercolor pencil or watercolor and waterbrush. It's just so much more creative.

Copic Sketch Marker
Bristol Smooth 100 lbs (still bleeds through with this paper)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Oct-2010/86669-marker_knight.JPG

A very difficult piece for me because I keep going out of lines.

First sketch - Faber Castell watercolor pencils and wash
Second layer - Daniel Smith watercolor
Third layer - Holbein Designer's Gouache
Final decorative details - Copic Sketch Markers
Artist Loft 90 lbs watercolor paper 9 x 12 inch

Dan Smith Kolinsky sable no. 8
Escoda Kolinsky sable no. 2 (Spain)



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Oct-2010/86669-wc_knight1.JPG

azulparsnip
10-06-2010, 10:04 PM
nice watercolor, Sandra - good depth....the pillar reminds me the the pillars in the Margritte. Like the body language on the prone figure....the soft edges makes it look so helpless

artbyjune
10-08-2010, 01:19 PM
Hi Sandra, I love your monsters and knights!! Very exciting!!

artbyjune
10-11-2010, 07:20 AM
Some gargoyle photos of a modern guarding gargoyle from a house in my neighbourhood. I pass these gargoyles everyday on my walk to the shops with my dog!!:D

brianvds
10-13-2010, 10:48 AM
A copy after "The crucified thief" by Robert Campin (c.1375 - 1444). Rather crude by comparison to Campin's magnificent original!


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Oct-2010/142294-100_1881.JPG

azulparsnip
10-13-2010, 09:24 PM
Nice one Brian. It really has the Gothic atmosphere.....lots with a minimum of details and shading.....
June - oh I love that gargoyle.......I'm gonna do that one!!

artbyjune
10-14-2010, 11:51 AM
Brian, I love your drawing...so clean and crisp! Powerfully twisted around torso pose!

I am looking forward to seeing your take on one of the gargoyle photos, Robin.

I hope to get something done tomorrow...even if only a quickie of the St John ink drawing. I am so glad you introduced us to Grunewald's work, Trafford...and I am off to look on the web for more of his paintings.:thumbsup:

trafford
10-14-2010, 03:09 PM
Brian, your drawing is very good. Please post some more...you get better and better.

June, the gargoyles are protecting these people and giving you pleasure as you walk along. Used to see a lot of them in New York City...but none here, though we did have a store that sold tiny ones and huge ones for gardens.

Sandra, lots of action going on in your paintings. Fun!

Robin, I didn't know half of these artists...I'm getting educated. I think Hieronymus Bosch fits in here somewhere at the end of the Gothics. He's always good to re-visit.

I'm trying to do some of the churches in a sketchy way. Started this one out drawing with my left hand and then changed over for some detail. Want to make them more spooky...so will try some more. :heart:

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gakinme
10-16-2010, 06:49 PM
June, thanks for the gargoyle photos. I gave them a try on some matte acetate paper. I wonder why I even bought a sheet to try out.

Faber Castell Polychromos color pencil
Stabilo Woody 3 in 1 color pencil

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2010/86669-cp_gargoyle.jpg

I took the color away and I think I like the black and white better. I have a lot of things to improve on this one but it's not erasable. :eek:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2010/86669-cp_gargoyle2.jpg

Brian, that thief has a painful death indeed. You did his musculature very well.

June, so that's the way to make things spooky? Drawing with non-dominant hand? That's creative. Cover it with dark watercolor in the sky and it would be even more so.

artbyjune
10-17-2010, 09:49 AM
Hi Janet, I love the spooky cathedral. I think it would be difficult to draw buildings...not that I've done any. And to make them spooky is a challenge...the wavy lines adds to this effect!!

Sandra, the black & white gargoyles look wonderfully gothic. The darkness adds to the creepy effects.

artbyjune
10-17-2010, 09:52 AM
Here's an OP and ink resist version of the St John head. Now where did this come from? What does the full version look like? I am off to explore ..later!:wink2:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2010/106623-stjohnmyart1a6kb.JPG

Black & white OP on grey pastel paper, with ink wash. A quick study.

Gothic art was very expressive...you can see the link on to modern German expressionist styles.:wave: And the contrast with the more intellectual classical Greek-derived Renaissance styles.

gakinme
10-17-2010, 11:57 AM
June, very nice piece there. Which type of pastel paper did you use? Clever idea to use oil pastel resist and ink. It does have that look of antiquity.

Thanks for extending this project to November! I haven't even explored any of the links yet and the month is more than half way through.


Entirely Stabilo Woody 3 in 1 wax crayons
Fabriano Artist Journal 6x9 inch

I was thinking of using this as the first layer for oil pastel on top but it worked out well just on its own. Nicely surprised. It is literally wax crayon with larger coverage and finer grain than oil pastels and cleaner with ability to do a bit more details.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2010/86669-woody_gargoyle_medium1.jpg

trafford
10-17-2010, 12:27 PM
Sandra, your paintings are good and scarey. Gothic but with your touch and you were right about putting a dark background on my building...maybe next time.

I don't know where that wonderful head came from June. It just said detail, but not of what. I thought it was great so I used it.

I'm having trouble with my Gothic churches. First of all I don't do buildings and there are so many doo-dads, spires, doors, etc. I'll give it another try in November.

Meanwhile here are a couple I took off the buildings:

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Caran d'Ache and pencil. :heart:

gakinme
10-17-2010, 07:05 PM
Janet, good head there. I can imagine that at the blink of an eye, her neck would be elongated and it would stick a long forked tongue out to lash at its unsuspecting victim. Very neat. The lion seem to have a teardrop.

If you are really want to draw buildings, the best is to buy some non-reproducible blue paper with isometric grids. But you could only draw them in black and white and scan them into gray scale to get rid of the grids. Color work doesn't work on gridded paper.

Here are my other attempts using a hot plate.

Crayola crayons melted will give texture that when I do them on cool surface, the colors wouldn't go on much. The colors are also less vibrant than when melted. The white is also very useless.

So today, after generous melts of Crayola background, I tried Stabilo Woody 3 in 1 wax crayons on top to accentuate. It's as good as using oil pastels to melt. Good solid opaque colors. But I wouldn't use it too much since it is relatively more expensive but oh, it's so smudgeable on a very lightly warmed surface. But honestly, these works are better off without smudging, keeping the colors vibrant that way even when cooled. For small details, I used a China marker which melts like there's no tomorrow. So I do those on cool surfaces.

Very fun medium the more I play with it.

These still came from the photo in the first page.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2010/86669-crayola_gargoyle1_med.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2010/86669-crayola_gargoyle2_med.jpg

Here's me trying the gargoyle on normal computer paper with isometric printed paper from the web, and it doesn't work as it's not a non-reproducible blue. And even if it does, it needs to be scanned grayscale. So color is out of the question for these paper. I'll save my new gridded pad for black and white work.

First layer - markers to get the color ideas and quick forms
Second layer - crayola crayon
Third layer - Stabilo Woody 3 in 1 wax crayon
Fourth layer - Cray Pas Specialist oil pastel
Details with Faber Castell Polychromos blue colored pencil

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2010/86669-op_gargoyle1_med.jpg

mmdm
10-27-2010, 07:49 PM
I'm glad this got extended because I meant to participate and then forgot where I saw it. :rolleyes: Love the work that has been posted so far! I've been looking at the links. Isn't it weird how all the babies in the gothic paintings look like very small adults? Kinda creepy, really. :lol:

azulparsnip
10-27-2010, 08:02 PM
Very powerful work Sandra......especially the last one!

Janet - spooky buildings....did you make them have suggestion of faces on purpose. I think that is also something they do to add spookiness....make the building have a face and take on a menancing expression.

Melisa - I too hope to do something for this thread soon.

mmdm
10-28-2010, 10:08 AM
Here is my little colored pencil version of Simone Martini's St. Catherine.

Catherine of Alexandria, martyred in about 307 A.D., is identified in this panel by her attributes - the wheel (reduced to a brooch), the sword, of which only the pommel is visible, and the palm branch, in her left hand.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Oct-2010/9614-stcatherine.jpeg

Here is a link to the original, (http://cybermuse.gallery.ca/cybermuse/search/artwork_zoom_e.jsp?mkey=3914) after it went through heavy restoration in the 1870s.
I definitely plan to try one of June's gargoyles, too!

artbyjune
10-28-2010, 12:45 PM
I love your work, mmdm, Melisa. Graceful with lovely colours. I never thought to use cp for medieval religious illustrations, but it works beautifully. CP gives lots of control and enables you to get lots of detail in your work. I'd like to try a cp religious gothic illustration soon.

Sandra, I just love your gothic 'monsters'. They capture that medieval spirit very well.

artbyjune
10-28-2010, 12:49 PM
Trafford, I love that lion and the figure too. Cropping the lion works great. And I love the simplicity, straightforwardness, you find in medieval design...those curls of his mane.

gakinme
10-29-2010, 12:41 AM
Thank you for coments, everyone.

Melissa, you gave her a more cheerful outlook! Good colors!

mmdm
10-29-2010, 08:51 AM
Thank you Sandra and June. I chose colored pencils because it was "art on the couch" night where I find some small project to do on the couch with hubby while he watches TV. Pencils are easiest for couch use!

artbyjune
10-30-2010, 06:20 AM
Hi all. The WDE this weekend has some interesting 'spooky' pictures...if you are interested.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10855321&posted=1#post10855321

gakinme
10-30-2010, 06:32 PM
June, I did one from there.

This one is based on ref by ddpaterson over at this week's WDE (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=753731).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Oct-2010/86669-erengi_cat1.jpg

mmdm
10-30-2010, 07:08 PM
Sandra, those cats look very gargoylish! I like the fancy pedestals you gave them. I did a haunted house from the WDE photos, but isn't isn't very Gothic.

azulparsnip
10-31-2010, 05:58 PM
melisa - nice iconic piece....very peaceful and personable somehow

Trafford - aaack those cats are a force to be reconed with , wonderful piece there girl.

mmdm
10-31-2010, 06:59 PM
I did a little sketch of June's gargoyle in sketch and wash pencil. I think he needs a cool background like Sanda gave hers, but I don't have the room in this little sketchbook so I may do another later. I thought this was a suitable subject to for Halloween evening. :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Oct-2010/9614-gargoyle.jpeg

gakinme
10-31-2010, 11:58 PM
Melissa, a very good piece for Halloween. I don't think you need a background. If you want, darken the background in patches and it's just as good. The light is coming from top left so you could darken more on the right side.

artbyjune
11-01-2010, 01:44 AM
The gargoyle is great for a Hallowe'en image. He turned out lovely in pencil. I always think he must get cold in Winter!

I love those 'haunted cats', Sandra. You captured them perfectly.

gakinme
11-01-2010, 02:00 AM
June, you are funny. Gargoyles would get cold? I never even thought about that. But yeah, without fur, they must huddle close to each other, yet in all art, they stand singly. Brrr..... The gargoyles didn't have it good, did they. Is that why they died out?

You know what they remind me of? The movie, I am Legend, by Bill Smith. They have these wingless gargoyles that huddle in empty buildings and they come out at night to make the kill.

trafford
11-07-2010, 10:11 AM
Sandra, love all the layers of different paints, crayons etc you layer on. Makes the pictures sing. Your cats are great, and so is the funny faced looking creature...more lovable than scary.

Melissa, such a beautiful St. Catherine and June's gargoyle not only looks cold, but hungry too. Wonder what they eat (ugh)

Here is another attempt at a Gothic church in pen and ink:

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gakinme
11-07-2010, 03:00 PM
Good dark sky and atmostphere there, Janet. The building itself look personified.

mmdm
11-07-2010, 08:35 PM
Janet - Beautiful pen and ink of the church. I love the dramatic sky! As for gargoyles, I think these old stone ones must eat pigeon droppings because they don't have access to much else, where they live. :)

trafford
11-08-2010, 08:19 AM
Thanks, Melisa and Sandra. Still worKing on the churches. Had to make up most of the details on this one, because it was hard to see them in the photo.

Pigeon droppings? I'd count that as a definate UGH! :heart:

azulparsnip
11-16-2010, 11:52 PM
Melisa - good job on the gargoyle, very good expression on face

Janet - love the spooky cathadrel,

here's one - blue inkhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Nov-2010/88676-gargoyle_copy.JPG

mmdm
11-17-2010, 10:31 AM
Love your gargoyle, Robin. did you brush water over the ink for the shading, or is it a different ink from the one used for the lines? I really like the effect.

gakinme
11-17-2010, 05:56 PM
Robin, very good pen work! This one looks pensive and not threatening.

azulparsnip
11-18-2010, 07:48 PM
thanks melisa and sandra.

Melisa, I started by washes of the water diluted ink and then put on the lines with the full strength - all the same ink -Calli waterproof