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beck
08-17-1999, 01:57 AM
hey guys! I'm in the gallery now, as of today. look under P for Becky Pena. I guess it's open season to critique what's there. Really, the comments from this crowd are entirely welcome.
Beck

beck
08-24-1999, 02:05 PM
OK, all you rats! No comment on my junk?
Heck, I'm going to sulk, but only for a sec.
I'm not sure who to thank at wetcanvas, but I'm very honored to be the Pick of the Week. How did that happen? Thank you, whoever is in charge!
Beck

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"Don't draw and drive!"

robinsn
08-24-1999, 11:55 PM
Nobody's gonna call me a rat and get away with it! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

I went to your place on the gallery and certainly think you should stop calling it "my junk!" http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif The guitar player communicated especially to me. However, I've learned that it's much harder to give comments on several pieces of work. I originally thought it would be good, but Scott, in his ultimate wisdom, layed out this format for us to post one piece of work to get critiqued in a message thread. Why don't you pick one and post it here and I'll be glad to critique!

And while you're at it, you can critique my submission too (Rufus, Opinions wanted) http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

-Randy

beck
08-25-1999, 01:47 AM
Aw, heck. It's late and it'll take me an hour to figure out how to post an image here. maybe in the morning.
You like the guitar player? I love to watch musicians, their talent is mysterious to me, I love their hands, their almost subconcious
ability to interpret a song. I have other sketches of musicians, but none online, so I can't get them into the message board, right?

Rod
08-25-1999, 02:33 AM
I too have visited your site, no junk there. Look forward to commenting on the image you decide to post. Glad for the shake up we need one occasionaly,
Rod.

amanda
08-25-1999, 03:01 AM
Beck, Hi, I just wanted to ask you about your painting subjects. From looking at your virtual Gallery exhibit, I noticed that you painted people as the main subjects of each image. Is that what you enjoy painting the most? I find that I prefer to paint faces and portraits and people above landscapes. Faces can be so expressive by changing slightly the smallest detail on a face. I love the challeng of that. What about you?

Rod
08-25-1999, 04:13 AM
Hi Beck,
Yes you are right, you cannot post your other images unless they are online. But you could choose one of your works from the virtual gallery that are online and post it for critiques. To do this use UBB code.Using
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Gallery/P/Becky_Pena/imagename.gif

Use no spaces and change (imagename.gif) to the file name of the image you choose.
Hope this works for you,
Rod.

beck
08-25-1999, 10:07 AM
Thanks Rod for holding my hand here, it's so much easier when I can ctrl+C something.
Now to remember the image names!

Amanda, faces and forms have always appealed to me much more than landscapes, although recently I did 4 landscapes in acrylic that gave me a new appreciation for them. It takes as much attention to detail to bring light and shadow into a scene as it does to make a face have life.

Of the images I have online, I'm posting a nude here for ya'll's opinion, since it's the least finished of the bunch. Hope this works!
Beck

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Gallery/P/Becky_Pena/september_nude.gif

beck
08-25-1999, 10:12 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Gallery/P/Becky_Pena/september_nude.gif

Trying again.... grrrrr!

robinsn
08-30-1999, 09:19 AM
I'm curious why you posted "the least finished of the bunch" for critique.

I've been real short on time the last week or so, I meant to get back here right away. It does seem somewhat 'unfinished' due to the light values of the whole piece. There isn't any real contrast of light and shadow anywhere. I like the motion of the piece and the message it eminates. One problem I had was with the shadows down the right side of the body, from the breast to the crotch area. It's like an optical illusion. If you look at it wrong, the breast looks like a shoulder and the shadows running down make it look like her arm with her hand between her legs. It may just be me, but now I can't look at it without seeing that 'arm.' If that's a window behind her, then the darkest values would be the left side of the body next to the bed and you have the right breast with the darkest value, so that may be why it looks 'wrong.'

-Randy

Diana Lee
08-30-1999, 01:00 PM
I have been hesitant to contribute to this particular section of WetCanvas because I am not sure if I should critique if I don't know how to recommend a way to "fix" what I find "wrong". I agree that the light source of the nude is not very clear, but there is also something amiss with the proportions that I can't put my finger on, it may be in the angle of the hips. All in all it is a very moody piece, it makes me feel lazy like a hot summer afternoon.

Diana

beck
08-30-1999, 01:30 PM
Hi Randy,
The reason for the shadow not jiving with the window behind her is because there is also light coming from the window at the head of the bed, and also reflecting in the mirror she is reflected in. Now, how to convey all that in the sketch? As for the hand in the crotch, I can't see it. But how did you know that's how I sleep sometimes?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Hi Diana,
There is a bit of a twist in the torso because the model(me) had to stretch just "so" to look that thin, then twist the other way to sketch. As for the mood, I see it as more lonely. I'm very glad to hear that it evokes a mood. Thank you both for replying.

Interesting forum; how to critique tactfully, how to accept observations, how to explain without defending. I like it.
Beck

Rod
08-30-1999, 04:16 PM
Hi Beck,
I also saw the arm when I first looked, must be us mere males. Or the fact that the shadow from the breast to the crutch is continuous.You realise that posting the least finished work, we all expect to see the finished sketch, I'm sure Scott will replace the original image with your finished one if you email it to him,
Rod.

robinsn
08-30-1999, 09:07 PM
Diana,

We have the critique center for the "how to fix it" type critiques. I really believe what is useful here is getting MANY opinions from viewers of our art - not necessarily skilled professionals who can tell us exactly what's wrong and how to fix it, but educated viewers who can see "this is wrong," "this strikes me as odd," "the head's too big," etc.

I really wish more people would give their opinions here, even if it's "I liked it" or "it gave me a happy message," or "the perspective is all wrong." It would be like being able to hang our art at an artist-frequented cafe and sit at the table next to it and hear what people are saying. It's great!

Beck,

I thought there might have been a light from over the head, but the mirror light source was not obvious. It just looks "wrong" but I don't know if that's bad or not.

So it's a nude self-portait. I haven't been brave enough to let anyone but my wife see my nude self-portrait. I guess partly it's the notion that female nudes are more 'acceptable' - no, on second thought, I think I'm just chicken http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

I think we learn as much from critiquing other's work as we do getting ours critiqued. I'm glad we have this forum, but wish more would get involved. Hopefully it will grow!

-Randy


[This message has been edited by robinsn (edited 08-31-99).]

scottb
08-31-1999, 12:30 AM
Quick Update! I posted Becky's revised September Nude sketch - go take a look at her virtual gallery:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Gallery/P/Becky_Pena

Also, regarding the posting of multiple images per thread - by sticking with only posting 1 per thread, it makes the messages load much quicker in everyone's browser - plus, it makes it easier to read all about one particular piece, rather than having to "wade" through all sorts of other things ... but this is YOUR forum. No police force here... :-)

Cheers.
Scott

beck
08-31-1999, 10:26 AM
Ok, new nude, new thread.

Oh, come on, Randy! Let's see it, don't be coy. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
As far as male nudes go, look in the Learning Gallery to see Clyde2, not your typical male model.
Beck

beck
08-31-1999, 04:55 PM
Hi Johannes,
It's cool with me if you want to critique this one, wonderful if you have the time. I haven't requested any more critiques from you since you've already done 2 of mine in the Learning Gallery, and I figured you must have plenty of others to look at.

Maybe we should create a board just for critiqing nude self portraits. Talk about getting to know the group! Too much? Sorry, I'll pull in my ears. But I bet it would be a record setter for replies.

Any way it goes, I'm loving this forum. It's a good way to share and grow with other artists, something I haven't found locally.
Much thanks to the wetcanvas "powers that be" for providing us this opportunity.

Completely off the subject, but does anyone else think that "WetChat" suggests something other than art discussions? My boyfriend pointed that out, I thought it was funny.
Beck

Johannes Instructor
09-01-1999, 12:58 AM
If you guys want, I will critique that drawing and work on it digitally to improve it. I haven't done so yet because it hasn't been sent to the critique center. I prefer to receive requests. This message board was created for all different opinions. I see a lot of opinions here. It might be a good idea to get to a conclusion, so what do you say?

Rod
09-01-1999, 03:20 AM
Hi Johannes and Beck,
Go for it Johannes, would be interesting to hear your conclusion.
If Randy sends in his selfportrait we may have to start a special section. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
It's great to share comments, idea's, tips etc with other artists.
Rod.

robinsn
09-02-1999, 11:02 PM
Beck and Rod - We might have to set up some kind of a ratings committee if we keep this up! Seriously though, I'm almost considering thinking about posting it, but I dunno...

Becky, LOL! (re: getting to know the group and record setter for replies).

I'm not your typical male model either and it isn't your typical self-portait... http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Is Clyde yours?

-Randy

beck
09-03-1999, 01:58 AM
Randy,
Clyde is my sketch, but he's not "mine". He was quite a character, old friend, worthy backgammon opponent. He died this year, so I'm glad I have the sketches.

robinsn
09-03-1999, 04:52 PM
Well, yes, that's what I meant - is the sketch called "clyde" yours. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

I think your sketches definitely caught life and I don't know if it's accurate, but I have a pretty good picture of his character from them.

-Randy

Johannes Instructor
09-04-1999, 08:41 PM
Ok guys as promised. I have done the critique of Beck's nude. It is posted in the learning gallery.

Diana Lee
09-05-1999, 01:23 PM
I could not find the critique on Beck's nude.

scottb
09-05-1999, 01:52 PM
I am waiting for Johannes to send over a new image for it - should be up soon!

Cheers.
Scott

Johannes Instructor
09-05-1999, 05:16 PM
Ok, it's there now.

beck
09-07-1999, 06:28 PM
Hi Johannes,
I see what you mean about contrast. If I'd been working in something other than a red map pencil, I think it would've been darker in places. I tried to use more contrast in the second nude done form memory the next day, but it overall just didn't move as much as this one does.
Thanks for your time and attention.
Beck

Johannes Instructor
09-07-1999, 11:19 PM
There are special pencils that have various degrees of values. This way you don't have to rely solely on pencil pressure to get the darks.
I recommend getting 4H 2H HB 2B 4B

H series has a harder lead point thus lighter value,the higher the number the lighter the value.
B series gives you the darks, softer lead. Darkness increases as number increases
You probably know this already but I submitted it for others to read.

Johannes Instructor
09-11-1999, 07:47 PM
Looks like I did put a stop to this forum after all.