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Sandi
02-21-2001, 02:00 AM
Well, I'm back in the saddle again, drawing horses, my main love. I gave them up in despair for a spell and went off to discover other subjects and mediums to refresh my outlook.

This has many booboo's, but I hope it's not Dr. Seuss-y or Picasso-ish.

I took it from an old Walter Foster book I love.

All feedback and makeovers welcome, to help me before finishing.
Thanks!

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Sandi
02-21-2001, 02:01 AM
Here's Walters original.

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Barbara
02-21-2001, 06:03 PM
Sandi:
I have that Walter Foster book!! It is very dogeared and barely held together. Some of my very earliest drawing experiences came from that book! Nice stroll down memory lane for me!

I think with your version of the colt, the head is a bit longer and the ears are shorter. It just makes it look a little older than a baby. I like the rendering of the muzzle end of the head -- the nostril and all. I love to paint those parts of horses. They say so much with their noses. Flared nostrils when snorting and alarmed. Wide open red nostrils when winded and working hard. Relaxed S- shaped nostrils and slack hanging lips when REALLY relaxed. You can tell I have spent a good part of my young observing life with horses!
Barb

Rod
02-22-2001, 01:04 AM
I can see you both love horses, I lived in a city most of my life so I missed out. But I do like a drawing that shows the muscle form of an animal, which yours does well , also agree the nostrils tell a lot about the mood of the animal. Only other comment , this may be the scan not showing the darks fully, but I would darken the inside of the ears to balance the overhaul tone,
A great drawing thanks for sharing,
Rod.

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basia2
02-22-2001, 04:32 AM
((Sandi)) first of all, it is wonderful drawing!.......basia

Sandi, maybe you would like to check polish painter WOJCIECH KOSSAK or JERZY KOSSAK.....if i'll have a minute i'll find a link of their site for you ( if it is any...)


if compared with the original i can see differences..but this is not a point...soon you will draw YOURS from a model...



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Roan
02-22-2001, 10:38 AM
(((((((((((SANDI!))))))))))))

So nice to have you back here!

Now for the colt :P

Your piece is rather hard for me to critique as you worked from someone else's drawing. When I compare it to Foster's drawing I only see a few areas that could be fixed: the nose should come down more, the eye more diagonal, muzzle thinner and a little more refined, nostril dropped and refined, and the ears are a little "choppy". Foster didn't finish the ears on his and that makes it a hard study.

Now, on the otherhand, and this is JUST my 2 cents worth so take it as such, please, Sandi!

I don't care for Foster's horses much (sorry, gang). There are many that are not rendered correctly -- this colt is one of them -- and from looking at your work here, Sandi, I get the feeling that you know that as well. I see several areas where you tried to correct Foster's work. Good going!

This is my critic based on what I think YOU know about horses and why I think you deviated from Foster's sketch and tried to "correct" HIS mistakes:

You've changed his head position slightly -- was this on purpose? Regardless, it's obvious to me that you do know your horses because you pretty much kept the proper perspective of the rest of him where it should be. Great!

I sense a fight going on between what you see and what you know. For example, the eye. Sigh, Foster does not have the eye rendered properly and I think you know that. You have the eye almost horizontal, it should be slightly diagonal. However, you're far closer in what it should be than Foster is. Foster has it totally diagonal, which is also wrong. Reminds me of "My Pretty Pony" :P

Foster's ears are WAY too big (much too wide) for a foal, unfinished, and not correctly rendered -- especially at the base. You made yours shorter and more upright. That's in keeping with your foal's new head position and they are the proper size. They need to be more slender, however.

Foster has the muzzle too small in comparison to the forehead. Now, if this were an Arab or Arab bred animal that would work, but I don't see a dish to his face at all and, again, those ears are WAY too wide. I prefer your muzzle size, it's more correct, but it's a litttle, just a little, too wide at the end. Slim the muzzle a bit sorta like Foster's. Remember: a foal's muzzle isn't as defined as a horse's and is more rounded.

In summary, if I didn't see or know of this sketch by Foster, I would recommend three changes: the ears need to be rendered more correctly, the eye needs more area and to drop slightly, and the muzzle needs to be more round and a little thinner with the nostril more loosely indicated. I will say that Foster did a wonderful job on the muzzle of this foal. It's the rest of it that I find objectionable.

IMHO Sandi, you know too much about horses to be painting from Foster's stuff. Your sketch is -- equine conformation-wise -- superior to Foster's sketch. Seriously, use real models -- black and white photographs and whatnot.

Hope I didn't offend but horses are the only subject I feel qualified to critique on http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/frown.gif

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Sandi
02-22-2001, 02:56 PM
Thank you Barbara! I've had this edition for eons too. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif I spent my school days drawing horses out of books, especially the Black Stallion series, but always had problems with the detail. I taught myself to detest doing detail work. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif I admire artists who can do detail and want to be like them, so I'm starting out 'all over' again. Good thing too, as now I see where I detoured from his advice in the past, and have higher hopes of achieving my goals this decade around. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Thanks for your comments!

Rod, thanks!

{{{Basia}}}}, Thanks for your comments!! I'd love to see the artists you are referring to. To tell the truth, my best drawings of horses have been from life! It's the ones that hold still that I have trouble with. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

{{{Roan}}} Wow! Thanks!! You hit the nail on the head the places I 'felt' as I was attempting to manipulate my pencil. Sometimes these dang tools have a mind of their own, which is a big relief on one hand and the total undoing of me on the other.
Can't wait to get out there and do some more from life. (I had a few on my website once). Can't wait to go on to the next page and do some more detail work too.

Watch out Darrel! You just might have to treat me to a carrot cake at the end of this next decade, if I keep this up! I blame this rejuvenation all on your beautiful detailed works. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Thanks everyone! It's so hard for me to critique my horses.. they can have 5 legs, 3 eyes, 78 ribs, and I'd find them beautiful.. . until 'showtime'. ack! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Roan
02-22-2001, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Sandi:
{{{Roan}}} Wow! Thanks!! You hit the nail on the head the places I 'felt' as I was attempting to manipulate my pencil. Sometimes these dang tools have a mind of their own, which is a big relief on one hand and the total undoing of me on the other.
Can't wait to get out there and do some more from life. (I had a few on my website once). Can't wait to go on to the next page and do some more detail work too.

Sandi:
I'm very thankful you didn't take the critique wrong. I know I'm hard on equine art http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/frown.gif I try not to be, but I see SO much potential here!

I can't wait to see your pieces done from photograph or real life! I bet they SOAR!

Hugs!

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Sandi
02-23-2001, 06:35 PM
Thanks Roan! That's really sweet.
The studies are fun and educational for me, and there are 'parts' of each that soar, but they do not 'soar' as a whole. I'll email you a page if you'd like. Have you studied Dressage? On one of my studies, the Dressage instructor sat beside me and she literally flipped when she saw how I had captured the 'follow through' of the horse, plus the peronality essence. That made my whole year!!

Rod
02-25-2001, 02:12 AM
Hi Sandi,
Theres no modification that I can do, none needed. It was just your scan that lost your darks , I have done a tonal enhancement to show more accurately your original shades that were lost in your scan.
Yes I am envious, we miss a lot living in the city,
Rod.
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LarrySeiler
02-25-2001, 11:06 AM
Hey Sandi....I have not much to offer you, except perhaps an artist you might wish to check out...that you might find inspiration. She is Elin Pendleton, a California plein air artist who is quite excellent with horses, colts, mules, etc; She is an associate on a plein air digest group I'm part of, I'm sure you'll be impressed! She even does these minatures...and there's a pair of horses (or mules) on about a 5"x7" I'm sure you'll love looking at.

Elin's work at- http://www.elinart.com

Larry

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Sandi
02-25-2001, 01:52 PM
Thanks Rod!! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Awesome site Larry!! I'll be living there when I'm not here. Fabulous art!! Thanks.

Sandi
02-26-2001, 11:41 AM
PS. Roan,.. You don't know me very well... I THRIVE on constructive criticism. It's helpful, goal activated, a challenge towards a healthy improvement. Regular ol criticism on the other hand makes me vile and nasty mean as does condescending remarks and patronizing . I don't have patience for that at all. I'm a virgo, what can I say.

Reread this today, and when it's seperated from the main thought it doesn't sound too pretty. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/eek.gif It's meant to be a continuation of my "thanks and of course I didn't take it wrong" post... hope you all see that. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif


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4vincent
02-27-2001, 12:40 AM
Sandi,
Horses are not my area, since I've done few, but I like your handling better than "Walter's". Ken
..one of my favorite contemporary animal pastellists has been Dino Paravano.

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Sandi
02-27-2001, 06:40 PM
Thank you Ken!! It means a lot to me to hear your input. For someone who has only done a few horses, you sure do a great job!!
Thanks for the great website link. He's awesome!!!

robinsn
02-28-2001, 09:42 PM
Hi Sandi! Nice work! I too like yours much better than Walter's.

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Sandi
03-03-2001, 12:25 AM
Thank you Randy!! You're comment made my day!! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

pgetha
03-19-2001, 11:46 AM
Hello all. I am a new member and was just checking out some of the posts. I have a special fondness for equine art and paint horses professionally, at least I try to. Marketing is a whole other issue. I had taken a very long break from horses and art in general except commercial art and am now back to the easel( drafting table in my case). I do have a website which has my artwork up. It is www.gethagraphics.com (http://www.gethagraphics.com) and my newsest painting and first oil is at www.gethagraphics.com/Patriarch.htm (http://www.gethagraphics.com/Patriarch.htm)

PS. I love wildlife art also.

Roan
03-20-2001, 12:12 AM
Patricia,


Welcome to WC! It's very nice to see another equine person here. Love your painting, but it is rather slow to download at 163k in size.

Would it be possible for you to save in medium rather than maximum resolution and upload it here in a separate message? It's only 30k in medium res.

I'm afraid others may not have very speedy links and it's such a beautiful portrait, I'd hate to see them miss out.

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